I ordered my wife’s Christmas present from an EU seller with a U.K. website. I’ve just got an email through to say that if I still want it, I’ll need to pay an extra £12 for the customs declaration.
If it makes you guys feel any better, along with the economic effects of Brexit and Covid - automation is mostly going to hit the social classes that were more likely to vote for brexit as well.
Oh Dear, how sad, never mind. Again. Etc etc
If you're a half way middle class remainer, just vote for the most Tory low taxes small government steaming nipple twister you can find and plough the tax money you save into charitable causes for the developing world, then spend all of your disposable income on European goods and holidays.
And I cannot for the life of me understand why Starmer is going to vote for this shitty deal.
Because he knows that the reviews that will be carried out on the deal between the EU and the UK are a two way street, meaning better access to the single market can be negotiated. With the right sort of Government this country can literally 'creep' back into the EU over time.
Speaking of Government:
Well, if Starmer doesn’t want to come out pro European – I won’t be bothering to vote Labour next time. Same goes for my friends, they’ll lose the younger vote
This is not the time for a hissy fit, if there can't be more understanding between the opposition parties, and unity(to a degree) within those parties, then the tories win because they unify when it matters most to them.
The elephant in the room being the SNP. Labour cannot get to cosy with them as the tories will play the english nationalism card, and the way FPTP is set up will let the tories win.
Labour need those Scottish seats back...if they are around in 2024.
This is not the time for a hissy fit
I fundamentally disagree.
People need to feel the iron boot of a Tory one party system.
I ordered my wife’s Christmas present from an EU seller with a U.K. website. I’ve just got an email through to say that if I still want it, I’ll need to pay an extra £12 for the customs declaration.
This will be standard now. An illustrator I know in France, who I’ve bought stuff off in the past, posted this yesterday
Brexit bonus? The French customs declaration system goes totally online from 1/1/21, just gone through it. Found the SH number and got a barcode using the La Poste website. Yep, that’s a declaration for every sale to the U.K.
And Etsy have informed me that they will be collecting VAT for U.K. govt on every sale below £135. Above that is VAT free....go figure! Sales below £135 go up by 20%. Another Brexit bonus!
Good, eh?
There was no good option for anyone not in the Tory benches today. The only MP from the party i voted for last year (Green) voted against this deal, which i take as voting FOR no deal. Bit of a kick in the teeth in my opinion. As far as Labour is concerned the quandary was multiplied by thousands, if not millions. If they voted against they would constantly be accused of wanting a no deal brexit. Abstain and they will be accused of not being able to make up their mind (something BoJo and RW media levels at Starmer constantly). Voting for the deal means they MIGHT stand a chance of getting back the red wall in a few years time but how many voters do they alienate at the same time? Boris and his populist brexit ideologues have backed Labour into a corner with certain death as the only way out
I fear you’re right, but not in the way you think.
How do I think?
It will be ‘we got brexit done’ and a load of jingoistic nonsense about Britannia unleashed etc. Brexit will not be the chain round the necks of the tories as everyone assumes, the tory press will make sure of that.
I agree.
But there will be obvious opportunities to improve on what we have from next month, both parties will have their own idea and policies on what that is. This will dominate the next election, when negotiations are hotting up again. We don’t enter a stable state next week, we enter a decade or more of negotiations and shifting arrangements. This is literally written into the deal signed on behalf of the EU and UK today.
Labour need those Scottish seats back…if they are around in 2024.
not a chance of that happening - labour are an irreverence in Scotland - especially with their current position on a referendum, England will have a tory government for the foreseeable future.
I agree. Sadly.
I fundamentally disagree.
You think anyone who voted for brexit gives a shit?
People need to feel the iron boot of a Tory one party system.
People at the bottom have been feeling it for quite some time already. They are more than used to trying to cope with it so if you're hoping for some Damascene conversion you're going to be very disappointed. Maybe ask yourself if one of the reasons we're in this mess is the blinkered and arrogant views you've just expressed?
Once the SNP have got a date for their next leave vote, I’ll be moving to Scotland to try and pass myself off as a local and annoy TJ.
Why wait? It'll never be easier to move than it is now and then you can add your vote.
People at the bottom have been feeling it for quite some time already. They are more than used to trying to cope with it so if you’re hoping for some Damascene conversion you’re going to be very disappointed. Maybe ask yourself if one of the reasons we’re in this mess is the blinkered and arrogant views you’ve just expressed?
My my Daz, I thought you of all people (as a disaster socialist) would agree.
"Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted." - Che
Before the plebs were able to blame Europe and vent their frustrations via the Brexit vote, life hasn't been developing country or Southern/Eastern European state bad for a long long time - maybe the next Tory government will be so bad for them they'll remember who their actual enemy is and this time they won't have a democratic outlet to contain and direct their anger. Hey, maybe they'll even look back on the noughties with some rose tinted spectacles instead of the 1950's.
Labour need those Scottish seats back…if they are around in 2024.
Never going to happen now is it. Even Leonard the dimwit knows voting for this will play out very badly in Scotland. Starmer has just made sure the "two cheeks of the same arse" is true and killed any chance of a revival in Scotland. labour are currently polling mid teens in Scotland IIRC
How do I think?
Well you seemed to be implying that come the next election everyone will be raging against what a failure brexit is and the tories would be on the back foot. If that's not the case though then apologies.
As for more negotiations yes they will happen, but I'll be surprised if they're as prominent. Trade policy is very boring, and it will soon drop off the news agenda. The next election will be fought on more traditional issues, the economy probably, and I doubt there'll be much good news for labour on that front.
Having seen the monstrous **** up we've made of Brexit, while I understand the desire for the Scots to be independent, I think they need to be careful what they wish for. Especially as EU membership wouldn't be immediate, or automatic, unless they relax some of the rules just to piss off the rest of us some more.
If Brexshit has proven one thing, it's that unity is our only strength.
If Brexshit has proven one thing, it’s that unity is our only strength.
HAH!
I'm with TJ on this one - the Scots, the Welsh and NI would be better off out.
Those of us with the means can flee and leave the English ethnonationalists to their little demented experiment.
Trade policy is very boring
the economy probably
It will be all about the economy, and that will be about trade.
Oh, and anti-Scottish independence tub thumbing… to win votes in England.
Both these will still be tied to Brexit… and will dominate the election.
In addition, The Vote Leave team will probably have come up with a way of repeating their “save the NHS” lies from 2016 as well, to wrong foot Labour.
Brexit will dominate that election… but as you said, the team now running the country, and their sponsor newspapers, will have the means to use that to their advantage with 35%+ of the population of England. Labour’s alternative approach to the years and years of renegotiations ahead will be headline news, negatively… Labour won’t be getting any positive headlines… but the ongoing Brexit process will still be core to the election battle. It’s going to be tough, messy, and won on lies and appeals to base instincts. The new Tories will most likely win in England and Wales. Scotland will reject them. NI will look towards Dublin more and more.
Especially as EU membership wouldn’t be immediate, or automatic, unless they relax some of the rules just to piss off the rest of us some more.
It would be both. there are no barriers to iScotland joining the EU and the EU would love to have us
If Brexshit has proven one thing, it’s that unity is our only strength.
Hang on....let me rephrase that for you....
If Brexshit has proven one thing, its that the tory erg headbangers and self serving acolytes in the party have royally shafted the country right up the shitter.
I thought you of all people (as a disaster socialist) would agree.
I'm very far from a disaster socialist. I don't even regard myself as a socialist, let alone a disaster one whatever that means.
life hasn’t been developing country or Southern/Eastern European state bad
And what happens when your wish for economic armageddon doesn't happen? What then will you be hoping for to make the unruly masses want to rejoin the EU? Perhaps the EU should impose sanctions? A naval blockade perhaps, just to starve us into rejoining? Or how about a nice war? That did the trick last time, we had unparalleled unity and cooperation after we had destroyed everything and killed millions. Just how bad do you want it to get so that we beg them to let us back in?
It would be both. there are no barriers to iScotland joining the EU and the EU would love to have us
That is if Scotland manages to pull this off before there is a new Spanish government. If the other party wins the next elections (which is a 50/50 toss up), then they've already said they would veto a "speedy" application. Something pro-independence voters conveniently ignore.
Now that the negotiations are over, it is very likely the EU will adopt the stance of "We will let the United Kingdom sort itself out, if iScotland happens, we will consider its application".
Then there is the "love to have us", well iScotland will be an new nation with a new economy and new currency, of Gdp £200 Billion, of which its biggest trading partner is...the UK.
It would be both. there are no barriers to iScotland joining the EU and the EU would love to have us
"It should be the easiest deal in human history"
The only way Labour has a chance in Scotland is to offer a 'reform' referendum with a devo-max option. If Starmer has any hope of being PM he desperately needs Scottish MPs or a coalition. The problem is Labour in Scotland has been their pact with the Tories in a feeble attempt at opposition.
Perhaps the EU should impose sanctions?
The UK is imposing sanctions on itself, and signed an agreement that allows the EU to increase those sanctions if we don’t match their rules. When we deviate, which we will if the current mob stay in power, these increased sanctions will follow.
Perhaps the EU should impose sanctions? A naval blockade perhaps, just to starve us into rejoining?
That would have been great. The UK seems to be fine with China doing or threatening to do this to Taiwan.
Just how bad do you want it to get so that we beg them to let us back in?
I want inequality to get so bad, that certain Brexiteers understand what it's actually like to live in a poor country and why people might want to migrate.
The only way Labour has a chance in Scotland is to offer a ‘reform’ referendum with a devo-max option.
Yeah, the problem is that Scotland already has devo-max. They took out a full page add out on the front page of The Daily Record to tell everyone about it before the last referendum.
There's only so many times you can promise something and not deliver before people get wise to it.
My expectation is that the SNP will get a landslide in May. They will claim their mandate for a referendum and be told to **** off by whoever is in No 10.
They will use this to drum up support for independence while not doing anything to actually gain independence.
Come 2024 there will be another independence party on the ballot. This one will say that they are using the GE as a referendum on independence and if a majority of pro-independence MPs are returned to Westminster they will make a unilateral declaration of independence (known as the Margaret Thatcher option).
This new UDI party will get the most MPs (and possibly 100% pro-independence MPs returned to Westminster) and then the shit will really hit the fan.
Dangerous stuff combining socialism with ethnonationalism.
There fixed it for you.
Not sure you did, actually. Sure ethnonationalism is worse but are you seriously suggesting nationalism of any stripe is a good thing?
People need to feel the iron boot of a Tory one party system.
People at the bottom have been feeling it for quite some time already. They are more than used to trying to cope with it so if you’re hoping for some Damascene conversion you’re going to be very disappointed.
I reckon you think they have but a quick read of the 'highlights' of Britannia Unchained will actually show they haven't. Not by a long chalk. But hey, they'll get what they voted for so.....🤷♂️
You're right about the Damascene conversion, though. As previously - the 'radical left' will be banging on about 'just you wait, the conditions for the revolution are nearly right....' just as the last two working class heroes beat each other to death in the pasta aisle of Asda over the last bag of orzo.
As for 'levelling up'.....
That's a good one. It's the way De Pfeffel tells 'em.
😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅
You’re right about the Damascene conversion, though. As previously – the ‘radical left’ will be banging on about ‘just you wait, the conditions for the revolution are nearly right….’ just as the last two working class heroes beat each other to death in the pasta aisle of Asda over the last bag of orzo.
🤣
The only way Labour has a chance in Scotland is to offer a ‘reform’ referendum with a devo-max option.
They certainly need a sensible policy of some sort. IMO a new constitutional convention for the whole of the UK with a bias towards 4 equal nations would be enough.
tories are now busted in Scotland as well as the nonsense they fought on last time about brexit and fish is shown to be lies so I expect the tories to lose seats
Bruce Wee - if the SNP split then they too are busted. A UDI party will not clean up - no track record and no chance of getting waverers onside.
The spanish objection is no more as iScotland no longer would set a precedent for Catyluna
Not sure you did, actually. Sure ethnonationalism is worse but are you seriously suggesting nationalism of any stripe is a good thing?
Well, to use a hyperbole you can't have a system that with things like a Universal Income, if every single person in the world is allowed to access it. My view is that some sort of nationalism is okay, as long as there is a clear cut way of how to access the same privileges of a national; instead of this under the table nationalism that seems to plague some nations. Of course there is always a spectrum with this.
That's it, rock-bottom - I have zero ****s left to give.
Well, to use a hyperbole you can’t have a system that with things like a Universal Income, if every single person in the world is allowed to access it.
You can if global wealth distribution is more equitable.
This is also why I don't agree with universal income, I don't think the British deserve it. That money would be far better spent improving the infrastructure in the developing world and helping them go renewable as well.
The spanish objection is no more as iScotland no longer would set a precedent for Catyluna
Precedent? lol. You give Spanish politicians too much credit. The spanish objection is no more, because of the new government wanting to play nicer with the pro-independence movement, as well as Pedro Sanchez wanting to get some good PR with Europe. will this position maintain itself if the government changes hands? I think not, however Spanish politics have been hugely unstable in the past 5-10 years.
You can if global wealth distribution is more equitable.
Sure, but that's not the world we live in is, or the way its ever been.
Bruce Wee – if the SNP split then they too are busted. A UDI party will not clean up – no track record and no chance of getting waverers onside.
The SNP might be busted anyway. If they continue with the line that they will only declare independence on the back of a successful referendum (with a Section 30 order) and whoever is in Westminster just continue to say **** of, what then?
Starmer and Johnson's strategy might actually be the right one to take. Let's say they just continue to say no, what is the next step? There will have to be widespread civil disobedience to move the process forward but what if the Scottish population simply don't have the appetite for it?
If the Scottish government don't have any option to hold a referendum and the population don't kick off then I can't see how support for independence can be maintained.
It could, of course, backfire spectacularly for Johnson and Starmer if it turns out people do have the appetite for a real fight but it remains to be seen.
Sturgeon / the SNP ( IMO) need to make holyrood a defacto referendum . win handsomely and then go all out for independence. The section 30 order thing has not been tested in court and other ways are possible to declare independence without UDI or Westminster permission - the routes Kosovo and Eritrea took for two examples. Borth ran referendums in the face of a hostile central government, both won independence off the back of it.
Sturgeon will not be able to hold the party together unless its an all out push immediately after May. the loony "UDI now!" crowd are getting very impatient.
Sure, but that’s not the world we live in is, or the way its ever been.
Yes, except we were part of supranational organisation that was and is reducing inequality amongst European nations.
A union the British left because they felt more entitled than Polish immigrants were, to Britains stolen wealth.
This is also why I don’t agree with universal income, I don’t think the British deserve it.
Again, totally agree.
My view on this was formed 24th June 2016.
You don't get to spit in the soup then demand a fresh bowl full.
I want inequality to get so bad, that certain Brexiteers understand what it’s actually like to live in a poor country and why people might want to migrate.
I belive that's called 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'
Sure brexit voters will indeed suffer, along with every one else who had thier rights removed.
How is that a win?
I belive that’s called ‘cutting your nose off to spite your face’
Sure brexit voters will indeed suffer, along with every one else how had thier rights removed.How is that a win?
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In my wife’s home country it’s perfectly possible to have a nice middle class life. It’s just that the poor live in shanty towns and get pushed out of helicopters when they get uppity.
I should imagine if it got like that here my life would be exactly the same as it is now.
How is that a win?
<Through gritted teeth> Unfortunately it isn't.
In my wife’s home country it’s perfectly possible to have a nice middle class life. It’s just that the poor live in shanty towns and get pushed out of helicopters when they get uppity.
I should imagine if it got like that here my life would be exactly the same as it is now.
Not sure what your point is - the poor get to go for a hellicopter ride before being murdered, so that's good, right?
My point is - is that if it get’s that bad - I’m not cutting off my own nose. It’s very much cutting off the nose of Brexiteers. The majority of you lot won’t see a blind bit of difference to your living standards.
The majority of you lot won’t see a blind bit of difference to your living standards.
You lot?
My dad died in April. bue to covid and racists/brexiters i've not been able have a ceramony.
**** you.
