Lots of us haven’t been able to see people before they’ve died Matty. I’m as gutted as the next person about leaving the EU, it’s just on the positive side - a lot of us or at least a lot of the STW demographic will still be able to get work visas there, be able to afford to travel there, see friends and family when COVID is over etc - whilst the rest of the country wallows in its own stupidity. The last laugh is going to be on the brexiteers.
Im sorry to hear about your dad though.
The majority of you lot won’t see a blind bit of difference to your living standards.
I have alredy seen issues in my personal and professional life because of this nonsense. the 6 month european tour by bike is going to be much harder and more expensive for one
the recession thats cominbg as a result of brexit will damage most of us financially. Turbocharged austerity anyone?
It will be more expensive TJ but if you can afford to take 6 months out before state retirement, you should be able to absorb the costs.
Try and enjoy the fact that you’ll still mostly be fine.
it’s just on the positive side
What positive side? Travelling to the EU is going to be more difficult and more expensive - and thats supposed to be positive?
Thanks, sorry for my Knee jerk response, but my dad has been sat in an urn, in Spain since April.
cancelled filights etc.
Anyone who voted for brexit can get back into the sea, as far as I am concerned.
Oh that’s my opinion as well matty.
I’m just trying to have a bit of my own schardenfreude at the brexies expense.
Maybe I’m just an evil bastard though?
Oakley - how much is the health insurance for 6 months going to be? We will be doing this on a very small budget. Now thanks to the Tories and their racist fellow travelers I have to buy health insurance. How much will the visa cost if I can get one?
TJ - it’s always been best to get health insurance for cycling - despite the EHIC. Have you got a quote yet?
Schengen visas aren’t too expensive, it’s more that you have to have enough in your bank account to cover six months.
Austerity has already started.
We’ve been informed that we are on a pay freeze (again) from next year. This year’s pay settlement hasn’t been arrived at yet, either.
So, in the past decade it has been 7 years of pay freeze, 2 years of inflationary pay rise, 1 year of above inflation pay rise and then back to pay freeze again.
And I consider myself fortunate! I enjoy my job and, at my level, the pay is good compared to a minimum wage worker.
Oh and TJ - blog your trip. I will be interested in following it. If you decide to do it for a good cause I’ll contribute as well.
The only MP from the party i voted for last year (Green) voted against this deal, which i take as voting FOR no deal.
Bit of a kick in the teeth in my opinion.
Apologies for being blunt but that is a bucket of ****. Voting against this shit deal is not a vote for no deal. Taking that viewpoint is just pandering to the Tories and falling into their trap. They got us into this mess. The responsibility is theirs.
As far as Labour is concerned the quandary was multiplied by thousands, if not millions. If they voted against they would constantly be accused of wanting a no deal brexit. Abstain and they will be accused of not being able to make up their mind (something BoJo and RW media levels at Starmer constantly). Voting for the deal means they MIGHT stand a chance of getting back the red wall in a few years time but how many voters do they alienate at the same time?
They should have abstained, simples.
Boris and his populist brexit ideologues have backed Labour into a corner with certain death as the only way out
Pretty much
Ta Oakley - I will be blogging but I don't believe in holidays to raise money for charity 🙂
Having enough in the bank account is going to be the sticking point
and thats supposed to be positive?
I’ve got to agree with TJ. That the negative effects on my own life, and those of my family (already very real and measurable), won’t be as great as the negative impact on many who voted for Brexit is not a positive in my eyes in any way. If the sea is up to my waist, I find no cheer in seeing others with the water up to their chin.
The section 30 order thing has not been tested in court and other ways are possible to declare independence without UDI or Westminster permission – the routes Kosovo and Eritrea took for two examples. Borth ran referendums in the face of a hostile central government, both won independence off the back of it.
They could just hold an indicative referendum vote then if they get the result they want suddenly declare it legally binding.
To be fair… no UK government has ever claimed that the 2016 referendum result was “legally binding”.
To be fair… no UK government has ever claimed that the 2016 referendum result was “legally binding”.
Ahhh, but 'will of the people', dear boy.
And anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic.
If the sea is up to my waist, I find no cheer in seeing others with the water up to their chin
The worse the UK gets, the more likely Scotland and NI leave the union and the more likely England gets backed into a corner and is forced to rejoin the EU.
England gets backed into a corner and is forced to rejoin the EU.
Forced to APPLY.... there is no guarantee the EU27? would want England back without good faith being on offer.
Which may well happen after the veneer of English exceptionalism has been stripped away by the breakup of their country.
I very much doubt the rUK would be welcome to join
I don’t think England&Wales will ever rejoin the EU. We will continue to carve out and modify our arrangements with the EU, but always as a third country. Not in the EEA completely either, ever, but always oscillating between closer ties and greater divergence. Always taking a subset of EU rules… but rarely informing or helping form them. Scotland and NI are on different paths though… but those journeys will be longer than many are currently hoping for… England will cling onto them as long as possible, by all means possible, against what will almost certainly be their wishes soon enough.
I don’t agree - once most of the baby boomers are dead - the English will feel isolated when they need a visa to live with their spouse in Scotland or needless veterinary papers to take their dog for a weekend trip.
Oakley you really need to get a grip. You're wishing pain on suffering on yourself and others over the abstract issue of who governs you and makes the laws and regulations which apply to you. You have almost no personal control over these things, and wherever you are there will be unaccountable politicians, bureaucrats and business people who make decisions that affect you. You can either accept this and get on with your life, or live in a state of anger, hatred and negativity. There have been much worse situations to deal with (we're living through one right now) than a change to regulations regarding trade and travel.
Oakley you really need to get a grip. You’re wishing pain on suffering on yourself
I think you’ve misunderstood me.
My wages have tripled since Brexit - what suffering am I wishing upon myself? The UK breaks up? I can ****in go to Scotland or Dublin - hell I’ve turned down multiple offers willing to sponsor me in Europe for the time being.
The reality is that any of the half educated posters on here will also be able to get sponsorship to leave - or go to Ireland.
If it’s any consolation to them, they can laugh from the outside whilst watching this shitty little island tear itself apart over the next two decades.
You can either accept this and get on with your life, or live in a state of anger, hatred and negativity.
I can. What will make me positive is laughing at the misfortune of brexiteers and voting against their interests for the rest of my existence (preferably via postal voting whilst I’m huffing frogs legs in the South of France)
What about the effect your piss poor attitude will have on the remain-voting public at the lower income end of the scale? We do exist you know.
Flee to Ireland.
Polishing brass on the titanic otherwise.
Because he knows that the reviews that will be carried out on the deal between the EU and the UK are a two way street, meaning better access to the single market can be negotiated. With the right sort of Government this country can literally ‘creep’ back into the EU over time.
Except it's negotiating from a worse-case scenario, the EU got (almost) everything it wanted from the deal, we didn't.
We need to go back to the table, they don't.
No Deal would've put us in a slightly stronger position, because it was crap for both parties. So both would've been back at the negotiating table by Jan 2nd.
The section 30 order thing has not been tested in court
It will be next month. If Martin Keatings wins his case then Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP leadership are going to be asked some very tough questions about why the Scottish Government fought the case against.
There have been much worse situations to deal with (we’re living through one right now) than a change to regulations regarding trade and travel.
Is not just that though, it's a loss of legal rights & protections, a loss of our voice within the EU
And ultimately its about money, brexit leaves me genuinely fearful for my children's futures, the weaker £ has been taking £bns out of the economy, £1000s from the pocket of every family
Johnsons deal takes at least 5% from GDP, that equates to many 1000s more families & children pushed into poverty, education, social care all will be hit, austerity 2.0, my kids career prospects just took a huge kick in the nuts, we've just signed up to a deal that's tariff free for goods (where the EU have a surplus), but throws up way more barriers to services (where we have a surplus)
If we've simultaneously weakened our 2 most important sectors, what do you think happens next?
from the upper class to the bottom classes, everyone is about to feel the pain
Even the promised boom in fish gutting isn't set to materialise!
The key impacts won't be felt for a number of years, maybe even a decade, and this will be due to a comment I've made before:
"Brexit isn't the destination, it's the vehicle."
When we've lost universal healthcare, when there's only the State Pension (and no extras), when other benefits have either been whittled by inflation or moved to loans etc. This is when it'll really hit - proper boiling the frog stuff.
The post-war consensus is well and truly buried, and it was those that foughts' children who hammered in the final nail.
TJ – it’s always been best to get health insurance for cycling
Yep, for the insurance companies...
TJ – it’s always been best to get health insurance for cycling
Never been needed in EU years seeing as you got all your healthcare free. absolutely no need for insurance prior to brexit
did that include helicopter evacuation? seems like the notoriously generous insurance companies have been paying out unnecessarily if so..
Mountain rescue is provided free as well - apart from one or two french ski resorts! There are private outfits that prey on tourists and take them to private hospitals and charge them a fortune but mountain rescue is basically free to all EU citizens..
I am touring tho - not chucking myself off mountains
the only thing not provided free of charge is repatriation
“Brexit isn’t the destination, it’s the vehicle.”
It's the vehicle for those in power and their backers to start asset stripping the UK. At 1 minute past midnight on 1st January, a whistle will blow and everything is going to start disappearing - workers rights, environmental protections, trade unions, legal support, healthcare...
Bet there won't be a weekly cheque of £350m to the NHS either.
SAR is not covered by EHIC in France
https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/france/healthcare/health-system/eu-health-card-ehic-
EHIC won’t cover you if you need to be repatriated either.
I’d say there’s an outside but real
possibility that the latter may be needed if you’re cycling mixed off-road/road for 6 months.
There are private outfits that prey on tourists and take them to private hospitals and charge them a fortune but mountain rescue is basically free to all EU citizens..
hmm. when we summoned help ('we' being our UK guide but french mountain leadership qualified) to our mate with a compound fracture as far as i'm aware we were well off piste and well out of season. difficult to see how the private model would work effectively under such circumstances. still, all a bit moot now, much like your assertions regarding an iscotland having no barriers to immediate EU entry... 😉
There’s been few laughs to be had today, but hats off for the comedic contribution from the lifelong Brexiteer who went AWOL during the referendum campaign, demanded article 50 be triggered immediately, then facilitated Brexit at every critical juncture
Take a bow, Magic Brexiteer Grandad...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1344280898112544771?s=21
You really couldn’t make it up 😂
SAR is provided free of charge across almost all of Europe ( where available) except in some french ski resorts. Seriously check it out. this has always been the case. You do not need an EHIC card to get it. Its nothing to do with reciprocal arrangements.
funny how you link to insurance comnpanies telling you you need insurance.
EHIC covers anything that would normally be covered for free in Europe. In France, SAR operations are not free everywhere. Doesn’t matter what resort it is or where you are in the country - different communes have different setups.
Health insurance and.....
Oh ****ing, can't be bothered as it's all changed to shit now anyway, but in the past there really was no real need for health insurance for Europe. Insurance companies made shed loads of money from it so spent a lot if cash convincing you otherwise.
Chuck into the mix a few anecdotes from people who would've been stuck with a big fat bill if not for Yadda Yadda Yadda.
But you seldom hear the other side of the arguement...
A very close friend of mine had a broken foot in Norway, his kid had a broken wrist in St Anton, Bust Toe in Tignes, Something in Saalbach that I can't recall and his wife and son spent three weeks in hospital on antibiotic drip following some involved and expensive procedures in Germany.
Total cost of all the above was around a hundred and fifty quid.
God bless what used to be the European way.
Yes they are free - except on some ski areas - really - go and look it up. nationally provided SAR is free to all. In some ski areas they commune provides the SAR and they are allowed to charge. Seriously dude - go look it up!
EHIC coverered you to the sdame extent as the locals - if they pay a small fee then so do you.
the rest of europe SAR is free.
In the ski areas there are private rescue outfits operating. they will try to charge you and will take you to the private hospital they get kickbacks from. this is why folk get huge bills.
https://simplysavoie.com/mountain-rescue-in-the-french-alps/
In the mountains, away from the ?domaine skiable?? (the ski areas), rescue is provided, free of charge, by the French state.
As the generalists says tho - this is all moot now but its one huge loss from brexit
Do you have a map of all the areas in France that aren't operating state SAR TJ? Because it's not just the Alps - there are some in the Pyrenees as well aren't there?
Then as that article points out, you're still going to be charged for the doctors fees even if you do get picked up by a state helicopter.
I'd do the private health insurance for a six month European cycle tour, even before Brexit, simply because you're entering so many countries with so many different healthcare setups. Wasn't Spain refusing to recognise EHIC not long ago?
Agreed on this being a moot point now though.
I hope the tour goes ahead and I'm looking forward to reading about it on here TJ.
I have traveled all over europie mountaineering, trekking, cycling, MTBing and never had to carry insurance before. It simply was not needed pre brexit
