i foresee our Empire getting even smaller sometime soon.
Gibraltar really is on the hook. It gets a lot of it’s services (water, broadband, etc) over land from Spain and a lot of the people that work there live in Spain. The whole place seems to exist for banking and if that services gets tariffed out, the place just becomes a rock again. Or maybe a place for cruise ships to dock.
Customs duties on good >390£ bought online in Europe (or on holidays...):
Might explain the euro bike sellers reluctance to try shipping anything start of January...
I think the £390 applies only to where you carry it into the country - not sure what the limit is on goods imported from a vendor. Thats just bringing it inline with the rest of the world.
It specifically says it applies to online shopping in that article.
I'm pretty sure we were promised this wouldn't happen and that everything would get cheaper, along with so many other lies.
andy8442
I don’t know if this has been mentioned before on here, but does anyone know of a benefit of the new rules/legislation? By which I mean a definitive plus that wasn’t available to the UK whilst we were in the EU.
It may have been...
When you say 'the UK' do you mean the general populace or disaster capitalists?
I thought it was pretty well known that even the Germans admit to deliberately pursuing a policy of a ‘low’ wage, export driven economy.
Burn the heretic! Germany is the model of socially responsible benevelont capitalism. Funny how when we do austerity it's very bad because it's perpetrated by evil tory brexiteers, yet when the Germans do it it's the actions of a socially responsible goverment making tough choices in the long term interest of theiir citizens. HItler had it all wrong. Instead of invading Poland all he had to do was put some workers in boardrooms and sell cars to the greeks.
Apparently we now have a trade deal with Turkey which we couldn't get before Brexit...
Can't find it at the Moro, was on the BBC I think.
Does the EU not have a trade deal with Turkey?
I'm not going to mention Turkey joining the EU and supposedly flooding Britain with forriners....
I'll be "letting go" of Brexit come the 1st January. I have to,tbh.
I know the ramifications and negotiations will go on for years, it's not even close to "being done".
However, it's got me down to the point where it's become a large negative in my life when I really need to start tackling things I *can* change.
I'll never, ever get on board with Brexit though. I'll absolutely never get tired of pointing out I never voted for it when those that did start moaning.
I see the FBPE crowd are gearing up for the next phase of their campaign..
https://twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1343627385351139330?s=21
Explain away… or, you know, just perhaps, the behaviour of successive Greek governments, and Greek business owners, might more accuracy explain “the Greek issue”.
Or, you know, just perhaps, it's possible for two things to be true at the same time. The state of Greece's finances were hardly a secret, and the EU response smacked of "pour encourager les autres".
read the detail of that article and you will understand the s***storm. 1st foreign retailers have to register with HMRC to sell items unto c£130, they collect vat and pay it yo HMRC, above that point your looking at duty and vat being collected in the UK by the sounds of it, Is the post office/courier businesses really going to cope with the items coming through that were duty exempt and now aren't.
Note those figures apply to all imports, and are new, they aren't just a Brexit/EU thing, they are global.
Does the EU not have a trade deal with Turkey?
a customs union, note not "The Customs Union".
What? You mean Turkey hasn’t joined yet?
Farage telling porkies. Amazing, eh?
He's dropped fishing rights as a red line too (as in he's cool with the trade deal).... Almost as if he never cared about them anyway.😉
I’ll be “letting go” of Brexit come the 1st January. I have to,tbh.
I know the ramifications and negotiations will go on for years, it’s not even close to “being done”.
However, it’s got me down to the point where it’s become a large negative in my life when I really need to start tackling things I *can* change.
I’ll never, ever get on board with Brexit though. I’ll absolutely never get tired of pointing out I never voted for it when those that did start moaning.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at now.
Had a further read of the trade deal document tonight as i needed to check the data protection bits (or lack of)
There is not as much in there as i thought... in fact there is little substance outside of tariff free/quota free for goods.
Its almost as if it has been designed to have no objections? I doubt the ERG will find anything other than fishing and seed potatoes going under the bus, Not enough votes in either sector to raise concerns..
Poopscoop
Full MemberI’ll be “letting go” of Brexit come the 1st January. I have to,tbh.
Sad to say Brexit has no intentions of letting go of us.
I think Boris has been well and truly had.
I think that always going to be the case, he has never been interested in the details in anything he has done..
Blue passport
I'm just waiting for the EU to change their passports to blue... Oh how hard would we laugh
Not saying this is any more accurate than other views I've read but does seem quite succinct regarding the overall position.
https://www.cer.eu/insights/ten-reflections-sovereignty-first-brexit
Northwind
Sad to say Brexit has no intentions of letting go of us.
Absolutely agree but I can't focus on it anymore. It's genuinely putting my mind into a bad place. I can't change it but I must get on with the rest of my life. If I don't, that's the final capitulation.
We’re at the point where many Brits feel that having a free trade deal that focuses on tariffs means that little will change… because those that fully accept that we have left the EU, but continue to try and explain what that means for us all, are being shouted down as sore losers, or scaremongers. Bit by bit over the next few years, companies, brands and government departments have the sorry task of explaining all that we have lost, and the extra costs and hassles that we all face… while no doubt Johnson and his successor tell us why those loses, costs and hassles are worth it, so that… well… something about using deregulation to help the North… somehow… time to check out “Britannia Unchained” again…
wait till the masses realise they can only bring one block of fags and a few bottles of vodka back from their holiday in the sun without being stung with a large tax bill...
fishing and seed potatoes going under the bus
Fishing has still improved so it is just less than hoped for. Seeds potatoes is a hit, but hardly a major one.
so a few more fish in a few years - that we do not have the boats and men to catch - so will still be caught by EU fishermen using UK licenses as they are right now
Mefty - what’s the relative size of seed potatoes and sausages (another non-export item) against fishing gains? I have little idea.
Moving on.
Overall it looks like the EU got to preserve their trading position (goods heavy) but we didn’t get ours (services heavy) - but maybe we were never going to. We lost EHIC (which may be replaced) and Erasmus (which possibly might be replaced). The car industry has been given almost exactly the right amount of time to chose where to make the next models (you never know, it might, maybe be Sunderland or Derby - any gamblers?).
HGV fleets and drivers seem to have landed more favourably if they are EU based. The security industry and data sharers generally seem unimpressed to disgruntled.
Any positives where the UK got the better end of the deal? Anyone? Sovereignty isn’t really worth very much relative to jobs and livelihoods and a shared European culture.
Even fishing doesn’t look like we really got anything - fishing industry spokesmen are already saying what we got in quotas is worth less than we’ll lose due to trade being more difficult.
And that was with BoJo threatening to walk time and time again. (“Wolf”, cried the messy haired public school boy.)
I think Barnier did his job rather competently. Frost, less so.
Better than no deal? Probably.
Better than the current deal? No, it’s not.
Anyone noticed The Express is more Daily Mail than the Daily Mail these days? Love the illusonary £900bn.... guessing that includes the "new" deal with the EU....though the old "deal" was far better...
Most of the rest are just rolled over EU deals. My God, the average reader must be dumb as sh*t. Sorry but how can they fall for this crap?
No idea what new opportunities there are to grabbed, why the f*** didn't we grab them before I wonder?
Of the 900, 660 is the Brexit deal, and much of the rest is rollovers of the deals we had with other countries as EU members.
I don’t think there’s much new in there. I’m sure there’s something (but it’s Leadsome who’s given them the numbers so do check them).
Gingerly posting for 1st time in STW brexit thread...
Luckily, by virtue of having N Irish parents , I am an Irish citizen automatically, so at some point I'll get the paperwork together to apply for my Irish passport before my UK one runs out in 2 years time. Then at least I'll retain my right to live /work in 27 other countries (whether i exercise this right or not is beside the point).
I'm Scottish by birth so I may be able to add to my passport collection in the next few years...
What were the <old> trade deals worth?
Poopscoop
Full MemberAbsolutely agree but I can’t focus on it anymore. It’s genuinely putting my mind into a bad place. I can’t change it but I must get on with the rest of my life. If I don’t, that’s the final capitulation.
I saw this, and thought of you:
Absolutely agree but I can’t focus on it anymore. It’s genuinely putting my mind into a bad place. I can’t change it but I must get on with the rest of my life. If I don’t, that’s the final capitulation.
Put aside the stuff about free movement and the right to work in Europe and it boils down to a debate about trade tariffs. So unless you have/had a burning ambition to work in EU countries (a real disadvantage for many before I'm flamed) or want to emigrate there, then carry on. It will affect the economy, some will lose out, some will gain, but it's not worth lying awake at night worrying about it.
If you want a reality check watch the Once Upon A Time In Iraq documentary series on iplayer. The UK govt very recently played a major part in destroying the lives of millions only a few years ago. Brexit doesn't even compare to the horror that has been imposed on an entire nation in our name.
It’s not only the loss of the opportunity to live and work (and love) in the EU27 in future, it’s the royal ****ing mess it makes of life for those that did it years before the tosspot farage came along.
I can no longer live in the same country as my father (my only relative).
That’s it. That’s the message.
I can no longer live in the same country as my father
**** fish and sovereignty and whatever else you leave ****s used as an excuse to be xenophobic.
There’s no common ground or coming together or making the best of it or seizing opportunities.
I can no longer live in the same country as my father.
Put aside the stuff about free movement and the right to work in Europe and it boils down to a debate about trade tariffs. So unless you have/had a burning ambition to work in EU countries (a real disadvantage for many before I’m flamed
Hmm only the removal of our ‘rights’ 🙂
Which were very quickly separated from us.
Wonder which ones go next.
My God, the average reader must be dumb as sh*t. Sorry but how can they fall for this crap?
Answered the question before asking it!
In truth there is a spectrum. The majority of people who read the Express are really that stupid. Simple.
Some others want to be conned as they think Brexit is merely a stepping stone to an ethnically pure Britain. They may not turn out to be so deluded.
The end of free movement has a real effect on me. My sister lives in Amsterdam. To preserve her rights she has had to take out dutch citizenship which while mainly symbolic could cause some difficulties with care for aging parents. I also thought of moving to the Netherlands but that now is much harder
I was intending to spend 6 months touring Europe by bicycle next year or two. That now will need a visa and I have no idea how it will work but a 3 month limit is possible / probable.
At work I know of a few EU staff that have gone back home. Thats not good and the picture on that nationally is awful. Other EU staff have had to go thru expensive and awkward bureaucratic processes which quite honestly is embarrassing.
Now first world problems and all that but already Brexit is having a negative effect on me right now
Some others want to be conned as they think Brexit is merely a stepping stone to an ethnically pure Britain. They may not turn out to be so deluded.
They probably will. If as looks likely we lose / reduce the amount of EU workers especially in the NHS then the replacements are going to come mainly from the Indian sub continent and the Philippines
'We' are willingly making ourselves a less attractive proposition for the rest of the world because 'we' don't like foreigners.
I suppose there is some logic in that somewhere....
it boils down to a debate about trade tariffs
Not even close.
Once Upon A Time In Iraq
Are you baiting Binners with your “what about Iraq?”
Or just going for some sick whatboutery?
Other EU staff have had to go thru expensive and awkward bureaucratic processes which quite honestly is embarrassing.
What is this expensive process? So far gov.co.uk only mentions the pre-settled/settled status
https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families
It took my an afternoon to sort it out, and when I had some questions the person at the phone was extremely helpful...
Which bit of the NHS do you work for Baboonz?
It took my(sic) an afternoon to sort it out,
Thats bad enough. It depends on the individuals circumstances but even the minimum is still a pain in the arse and I know people for whom it has been a lot more hassle than you describe
In years to come there will be loads of folk who are found for one reason or another not to have the right paperwork and thats another windrush in the making
Brexit is about erecting barriers. Why would you want to do that? Because you want to keep 'them' out. So you're reinforcing the idea that 'they' (i.e. people from other countries) are in some way bad. This is such a bad sentiment I don't even know where to begin. And don't say 'there's nothing wrong with foreigners in their own country' blabla because that's just saying the same thing in different words.
National boundaries are stupid. Why the hell would I (in Wales) have more in common with some Brexit-voting insular English Express-reading idiot than an outward looking resident of say Brittany? Just because 800 years ago that was the outcome of some wars. What a stupid way to run things.
"applauds"
