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Are you seriously telling me the British population is so stupid it won’t consign those in charge of all this to the political wilderness?
I think it is very unlikely that they will... of course, they can be convinced that they are, and still vote for the same people... a change of leader, a few fresh big lies and big promises... BOOM!
There will be a project of disenfranchisement and gerrymandering before the next election, don't forget to take that into account. It's why I begged Conservative supporters to vote tactically to try and reduce their majority... this mob have years to embed change that'll make them harder to shift than ever before.
The Queen would have to be advised that the Internal markets Bill would make the breakup of the UK almost inevitable. If she gives assent she's basically saying she couldn't care less.
Are you seriously telling me the British population is so stupid it won’t consign those in charge of all this to the political wilderness?
Will there be the opportunity in 4 years time? Observe the Trump endgame where he is now openly admitting that he is going to rig the election.
She can’t and won’t do that. Our head of state is not a political post.
In the short term I’m hoping the Queen will be advised not to give Royal assent to the Internal Markets Bill which could trigger a heave on Johnson / Cummings.
It would dynamite the entire British constitution, and she knows that. Not gonna happen.
Imagine having those two stood in front of you and only one bullet left?
Thats a tough call
Are you seriously telling me the British population is so stupid it won’t consign those in charge of all this to the political wilderness?
Read Youtube comments to have a look outside of bubbles.
And these are the ones that can actually be bothered to comment. Most of the population are more worried about Getting It Done, ‘countering‘/cancelling the Bolshevik Broadcasting Commies (BBC), processing/deporting immigrants and scaring off The Ghost Of Corbyn Past so that it doesn’t threaten the NoPlan = ‘Dunkirk Spirit’. Nationalism/blind patriotism always triumphs because There’ll Always Be An England. Come what may. ‘We’ll survive’. ‘Foreigners/traitors made this happen‘ Etc. Etc. Etc. You really need to understand these ‘emotions’ if you want to understand the English today.
Imagine having those two stood in front of you and only one bullet left?
Thats a tough call
Gove in front, Trump behind, aim for the throat at an upwards 15 degree angle. As long as it's not a shitty .22lr it'll be reet.
In the short term I’m hoping the Queen will be advised not to give Royal assent to the Internal Markets Bill which could trigger a heave on Johnson / Cummings.
Would have been a lot more useful if she could have over-ruled Article 50 or Withdrawal Agreement before it got to this stage but as mentioned, it's a tick box exercise, the Monarchy is apolitical.
That local resident in Ashford in clip above re lorry parks:
"We don't know when they're gonna be gone..."
Don't worry as soon as Brexit gets done, these huge lorry parks will be broken up and the area returned to nature. There won't be any trace. You have Gove's word
An encapsulation of the Kent lorry park ‘discussion’ outside of the STW forum loony lefties in lycra echo-chamber:
Realise that I gave up on the UK long ago, but there’s yet still a part of my tinfoil hat actually hoping that the vast bulk of such ‘comments‘ are simply C*mming-bots/political propaganda designed to flood social media in order to normalise the previously unthinkable/put a brick in the Overton Window.
Sadly, I suspect that most of the comments are from real people (with real effluent between real ears)
Imagine having to choose...
Would have been a lot more useful if she could have over-ruled Article 50 or Withdrawal Agreement before it got to this stage but as mentioned, it’s a tick box exercise, the Monarchy is apolitical.
And if we're talking about ceremonial powers, would have been more useful for her to behead Boris in Parliament Square for lying to her, but apparently she wasn't up for that, either.
Ahh... lovely that one Malvern Rider .... yes Brexit is damaging, but that's just proof that it's worth doing. We'll hear that more and more.
Ahh… lovely that one Malvern Rider …. yes Brexit is damaging, but that’s just proof that it’s worth doing. We’ll hear that more and more.
And if you follow that shit for brains 'logic' to its conclusion I guess you blow your own brains out at some point?
The EU has been so demonised and scapegoated for decades now that its the default position to just blame them for everything. And thats what will happen in January when the south east becomes a lorry park and our economy collapses.
It's not just your Daily Mail readers either. The most rabid Brexiteers I know are proper old school Corbyn-style socialists. Left wingers who absolutely loathe the EU. Get them on the subject and, seriously, you'd think you were talking to Farage. It's all EU Army this and Federal Superstate that. Mental!
And if you follow that shit for brains ‘logic’ to its conclusion I guess you blow your own brains out at some point?
Metaphorically speaking, yes, which is what Brexit is.
‘Let’s see how you like THIS, ner ner ner ner’ Then shoot self, taking your family’s sanity and security along with you so leaving the mess for your kids to sort out/re-enact.
Suicide note says: ‘Dunkirk spirit. Don’t trust the EU*’
*also:
BBC
‘Climate Change‘ lies
Foreigners
Immigrants
Homosexuals
Shadowy Jewish Backers
Muslims
BLM
Etc
Etc etc etc, ie all the usual scapegoats
It’s not just your Daily Mail readers either. The most rabid Brexiteers I know are proper old school Corbyn-style socialists. Left wingers who absolutely loathe the EU.
Hence the collapse of the Red Wall - the disenfranchised left/traditional working class were a bigger factor probably than the raving right wing Nationlists
Hence the collapse of the Red Wall – the disenfranchised left/traditional working class were a bigger factor probably than the raving right wing Nationlists
It helps that they were covert racists all along.
Hence the collapse of the Red Wall – the disenfranchised left/traditional working class were a bigger factor probably than the raving right wing Nationlists
Not sure about that Tory voters much more likely to vote brexit than labour, as did the southeast (outside London) than North
TRUTH BOMB:
https://twitter.com/colinelves/status/1309068001501683713?s=21
And this man is running our Brexit preparation…
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1110452473037275136?s=21
https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1223242446903091202?s=21
So, ignorant or liar (or both)?
What we voted for…
I have often wondered something about the possibility of applying to rejoin the EU. Set aside the prospect of the UK becoming a pariah, untrustowrthy state with an awful economy utterly corrupted by Russian oligarchs which the EU wouldn't touch for a moment. The EU, in my view, would likely insist in the UK adopting the Euro as its currency as part of any new membership. We are never rejoining are we?
No. Never.
And those who pushed back against a “measure twice, cut once” referendum before we went past the point of no return, in the name of “defending democracy”, owe the rest of us a big apology. If they did so now, rather than next year, they’s find we’d accept it gracefully. Things might be too tense for that when reality starts to sink in next year.
Depends upon who you consider to be "we". I fully expect Scotland to be (at least on course) to be back in the EU in 3 years
The EU, in my view, would likely insist in the UK adopting the Euro as its currency as part of any new membership
Adopting the Euro is not mandatory for any new country joining the EU.
Scotland will rejoin after it’s independence, Norn Oirland will when it joins the south after unification, at which point the Welsh will probably think “* this!”, leaving a sorry, tragic little island with delusions of grandeur and a borked economy waving its little St George’s flags
* me! What a totally depressing prospect!
Sadly, I suspect that most of the comments are from real people (with real effluent between real ears)
Unfortunately, what can be often left out of the brexit equation is brexiters desire for revenge over those 'liberals', or metropolitan elites. This country can burn to the ground as far as they are concerned as long as it hurts the right people.
No. Never.
We will return. Don't you dare think otherwise.
What caused you to change your mind about the EU enough to think about rejoining, Shooterman? I don't know how you unltimately voted but you were less than happy with the EU:
shooterman
Free MemberA reluctant out.
I had previously been very pro – Europe but I do not like the direction it has gone in over the last 10 years. Very ideologically driven.
Posted 4 years ago
The UK would have to satify the conditions imposed on other states that have recently joined for example Croatia. The criteria are laid out in the Copenhagen agreement and if you read through you'll find the UK fails on many levels, it would't get in with the conditions on which it is leaving.
With my beret on I'd hope my government is willing to accept the UK back but under exactly the same conditions as members that have joined since the signing of the most recent treaties. And that after an observation period of say seven years.
I have often wondered something about the possibility of applying to rejoin the EU.
I think at this rate the EU won't want us back at all. We've shown ourselves to be a petty spiteful little nation, incapable of playing with the adults, it turns out that the EU is coping quite happily without us thanks very much. At this stage, I imagine asking to rejoin the club, they'd look at us like the teenager that's come to a dinner party, got smashed, left claiming it was all shit, thrown up over himself and is then standing at the door asking to be let back in cos he's lonely.
I mean, even when we were members we sent them the likes of Farage, Ann Widdecombe and Annunziata Rees-Mogg as MEPs; the EU probably had a massive party when that lot left the building!
Agree with TJ.
Edit: And Binners!
Edit: And Crazy-Legs.
I fully expect Scotland to be (at least on course) to be back in the EU in 3 years
I'm trying to work out if our ****ed economy will prevent or hasten both Scottish independence and European re-accession.
Countries have done far worse and been welcomed back into the European fold. Germany was one of the founding states of the iron and steel union in 1952, just 7 years after the end of somewhat more extreme hostility than the current barnier.
At least The Mash made me smile today:
@Edukator at that time it was a very emotionally driven conclusion. My wife and I both went through surgery in 2015. During my wife's surgery, which was more severe than mine, I waited in the foyer of the hospital as she was on the operating table. For almost an hour not a single person speaking English walked past me. My wife's surgery was gynae and one of the staff told us "local" women in labour were being turned away as the delivery suite was full of non indigenous patients.
I was angry for a while about the pressure being put on the NHS and other public services but then used my brain and realised this was national policy of knowing EU membership was expanding but not resourcing public services adequately to cope with increased immigration. The "ideology" as I saw it was continuous expansion as an end in itself with little thought to the consequences for the citizens of individual states.
I guess I went from a reluctant out to a reluctant in and then saw the whole Brexit project as a Trojan horse.
JFCC, I'm pleased you changed your mind!
What has underfunding the NHS got to do with the EU?
What has one xenophobic hospital worker got to do with the EU? (don't forget what all doctors sign up to with regard to discrimination when they join the profession in these parts at least)
How did the "ideology" manifest itself? The treaties are very clear and members signed them.
As for not single English speaking person walking past, if they weren't speaking to you why was that a problem for you? I assume all the people were either doing a necessary job or in need of mediacl treatment.
You have looked at the actual stats for the numbers of EU nationals resident in the UK in percentage terms haven't you?
shooterman
Free MemberThe EU, in my view, would likely insist in the UK adopting the Euro as its currency as part of any new membership.
This came up a lot in the scottish indyref and quite simply, no. Not only does the EU not require it, and the ascension criteria not require it, there's absolutely no way to enforce it (since all you have to do to avoid taking the euro, is fail to meet the convergence criteria). There are countries that wanted the euro that have been prevented from taking it, and there are countries that have openly said they won't adopt it and received the eu's blessing.
Basically the only way you can think it'll happen, is if you don't know how it works. Which is fair enough, why would most people want to know that? Except that this is how you end up with brexits.
@Edukator you're tilting at windmills with me. I resolved those questions in my own mind sufficiently to vote remain.
I guess I went from a reluctant out to a reluctant in and then saw the whole Brexit project as a Trojan horse.
You give me hope.
What has underfunding the NHS got to do with the EU?
When people put the NHS logo on their bus and adverts, and other people are whispering in your ear about it the referendum being about ‘doing right’ by the NHS… and the papers are banging on about the “International Health Service”… millions fell for it. Cummings himself said it’s what got the Leave Vote over the line. No point arguing with someone who listened to the big and ubiquitous lie four years ago… it really isn’t their fault. Anyone who has seen through the con since needs welcoming.
If the remnants of the UK might struggle to meet EU criteria to rejoin, I'm not sure an independent Scotland would either?
Let’s not do this again… Scotland can operate outside the UK, and rejoin the EU, if they want. They are looking more and more like a Nordic state chained to us as each day passes.
I don't know what tilting windmills means. My issue wasn't with the in or out vote just astonishment at the issues you raised that made you a reluctant out, I read your post outloud to Madame to check her reaction. Do I want to know why you became a "reluctant in" as opposed to just "in"? 😉
I live in NI. The town I live in saw the biggest increase in new residents from outside the UK and ROI between 2001 and 2011. + 1,139%. You can imagine the pressure that put on local services. It's largely down to the presence of a number of large food processing plants in the area. The same pattern repeated in other towns with large factories or agri food sectors.
I can imagine the struggle remain had with a lot of folks. At the time property was ridiculously overpriced as all new builds were being snapped up by investors to rent to workers from Poland / Lithuania / Latvia etc. It was an easy lie to sell to people that this was all the fault of the EU. Very easy to paint the EU as only benefitting property speculators and employers looking to pay low wages while everyone else suffered.
More than a little bit proud that our constituency voted by a majority of 10,000 to remain.
I don’t know what tilting windmills means.
You need to speak to Don
We're all a bit quixotic on here
Anyway surely some leavers must be thinking that a border round Kent was never mentioned on the bus & that maybe just maybe they've been sold a pup?
People don't do admitting they were wrong any more kimbers, they 'double down'.
+ 1,139%
A simple pecentage of EU migrants as a percentage of the whole poulation would be more informative and less sensationalist.
all the fault of the EU.
Suggests you think it was bad thing and yet your town benefitted from a highly productive low-paid workforce that enabled businesses to operate profitably to the benefit of both local and national economies whist the nations those workers left were deprived of some of their most youthful, mobile, motivated and hard working citizens. The UK didn't even have to pay for their education and will probably never care for them in old age.
Sorry, you typed your post while I was typing mine Edukator.
The point I was trying to make is that the area I lived in was exceptionally affected by immigration from Poland, the Baltic states, East Timor, Brazil and Portugal. It was a pretty massive influx over a short period of time. Public services were being pushed to breaking point and property was becoming unaffordable. It would be easy in that scenario to conclude EU membership was impacting you negatively as that influx was on foot of freedom of movement.
Edit. Mon Dieu you really could start an argument in an empty room!
Whilst on about windmills it looks like Bozo is maybe wanting more here (Scotland) Is he sure that is a wise move given wee nics rise in popularity
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54285497
We’re all a bit quixotic on here
<Gentle ripple of applause>
Any chance of a Catalan style unofficial independence vote in Scotland?
A simple pecentage of EU migrants as a percentage of the whole poulation would be more informative and less sensationalist.
10.4 % in 2011
Public services were being pushed to breaking point and property was becoming unaffordable.
The increase in population due migration from the EU is essential to this debate which you are calling an argument. You are making extremely strong anti-migration statements that I'm absultely certain aren't substantiated by simple facts.
Property in many places in the UK was becoming unaffordable for that period some with next to no migrant pressure, and public services were under pressure from an ageing population, and increasly unheealthy and obese population, budget constraints due to autserity and real term spendong cuts.
Non were the fault of the EU. On the contrary the UK had low unemployment and skills shortages which meant migrants were an ecomomic bonus that more than paid for itself, migrants were net contributors to the economy throughout the period.
EDit: thank you for the 10% figure. A 10% increase in population does not mean you don't hear an English speaker in a hospital for an hour because the hospital is overun with migrants. It means migrants are doing jobs in the hospital that wouldn't be filled without migrant workers.
The NHS is one of the British instutions that has benefitted most from EU migration.
Any chance of a Catalan style unofficial independence vote in Scotland?
Not under the current SNP leadership.
And the question of what is/isn't "official" has yet to be clarified in the courts.
Any chance of a Catalan style unofficial independence vote in Scotland?
Fraught with dangers the biggest of which is a boycott. All the unionist parties pledge a boycott. turnout drops dramatically from the previous one. It would not then confer legitimacy if yo uget say 80% yes on 40% turnout
Scotland can organise a non binding referendum ( like the brexit one!) without a section 30 order / westminster permission IIRC
Section 30 order has not been contested in court in any way so we do not know really if Scotland could organise an official binding referendum without Westminster permission. Legal opinion is divided but mainly on the side of "permission is needed.
I think the SNP will use the May holyrood elections as a defacto referendum. That then gives legitimacy to the demands assuming as looks likely a significant pro independence majority. If Westminster refuses a section 30 order and / or the courts rule against it then its a very interesting situation with some obvious parallels to Eritrea and Kosovo both of whom (IIRC) had a referendum without permission from the parent country that was deemed illegitimate by the parent country but was recognised by the UN resulting in both countries gaining independence
If Westminster atttempts to block a scottish referendum that is mandated by the Holyrood elections we do get into very interesting areas.
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Checking out some districts in NI I'm failing to find a place with a 10% population increase due to net EU migration for one year.
Can you point me to the relevant documents in here:
Stop trying to start an argument, he doesn't want to play, Edukator.
No Edokator - you are being unpleasant and trying to pick a fight. He has outlined his reasons and his conversion to another point of view. Let it drop.
that the area I lived in was exceptionally affected by immigration from Poland, the Baltic states, East Timor, Brazil and Portugal. It was a pretty massive influx over a short period of time. Public services were being pushed to breaking point
As a percentage of the population, there are more immigrants working in the NHS than there are using it. The net "exceptional affect [sic] by immigration" is that public services improve.
Public services at breaking point is a government failure. Blaming it on immigrants is an easy copout for them. Genuinely all it is- immigration fuels the economy and also provides workers for public services, services would be worse off without it not better. So it's just a matter of proper resourcing and localisation.
Cynics might think some governments don't like public services and are very happy to let them collapse as long as they don't have to take the blame.
Blaming it on immigrants is an easy copout for
thempatients.
Or less generously,
Blaming it on immigrants is an easy copout for
themracists.
No Edokator – you are being unpleasant and trying to pick a fight. He has outlined his reasons and his conversion to another point of view. Let it drop.
That's insulting and an attempt at bullying, TJ. I know you don't like me, you've made it perfectly clear on every thread I've made a heartfelt contribution to recently. And who are you to order me around.
Try playing the ball not the man, Tj. The ball here is not "conversion" it's his attitude to imigration and migrants (which I am in case you'd forgotten, as an economic migrant and naturalised immigrant you'll forgive me for feeling personlly concerned and targetted). You are wel placed to know how much the NHS has benefitted from immigration and have raised the problems of recruitment in your own workplace in reelation to Brexit yourself.
I work for the public services. Immigrants very rarely use our service.
Try playing the ball not the man, Tj. The ball here is not “conversion” it’s his attitude to imigration and migrants
Suggest that ‘ball’ =/= person present? But fact and figures are useful for the thread. My Most Brexity Friend (not present) still believes that every problem with the NHS is caused by immigrants which in turn were caused by ‘lefties’. That is the sum total of his beliefs about the matter. He and I have had a long-running disagreement. He will go so far as to also believe that all data/statistics which conflict with his perception/opinion are easily passed off as ‘liberal propaganda’ from ‘lying leftie scum’. I kid you not.
I do not particularly dislike you Edukator. I very much dislike your bullying and hectoring which is what you are doing here.
You do pick fights - you have done it with me being very offensive. Perhaps its not what you intend but its very much how you come over much asd I have done and have tried to change
I am not ordering you. I am asking you. I should have added a please at the end which would have made that more clear and for that i apologise
Ding ding, seconds out, round 2.
In the red corner we have the edinburgh living, self identified sassenach...it's big TEEE JAAAY!
In the blue corner we have our french correspondent, never known to be wrong...it's disputatious big Ed, the self-proclaimed Edukator.
Join us later for round 3.
News! Hot off the press - big Ed has just issued an all-comers challenge!
Any subject, any time, any place!
🙂
I do think Edukator there is the missed nuance in text issue here.
As for the person you were attacking - he explained what he was feeling which cannot be wrong - thats what he felt. Thats a brave thing to do and leaves him open to attack
Again the way you posted and what I and others saw may not have been what you intended but it did appear to be picking a fight.
I intended my post as a plea you took it as an order which is poor writing from me
Perhaps ( a lesson I have tried to learn) looking for good and thinking about other interpretations might lead to less confrontation?
Immigration is of net benefit.
study after study shows immigrants work longer, harder and pay more to do so.
Larger working population equals more tax and a more vibrant economy
stretched public services is a function of ever decresing investment of GDP into looking after the people.
rightwing press blames immygrants.
it's not rocket surgery.
I think you have misconstrued my point Edukator or I have not articulated it very well.
Put another way, my initial position was an emotional response to direct lived experience. The initial reaction was to superficially blame the stress on the NHS on a sudden and dramatic increase in population caused by free movement. A bit of thought led me to conclude the real genesis of the problem was underfunding by the UK government.
I took issue with EU ideology as I felt they were dogmatically expanding without giving a great deal of thought to the resources being deployed by member states to large scale movement of people and the increased demands on resources.
In essence we agree membership of the EU is a good thing and I have no issue with immigration. I lived through the troubles in NI and I welcome a more multi cultural trend away from two violently opposing homogenous groups. I do have an issue with underfunding and austerity. Increasing the number of people competing for access to a resource and not increasing the availability of the resource is going to create problems. Those problems were, in my view, successfully exploited by the Leave campaign. The blame for that lies in the UK, not the EU.
I beleive the EU tried to instigate a minimum social spending, but the combined fury induced aneurysms and rectal prolapses in response of our wonderfully munificent country put paid to that.
All I'm reading from Shooterman's post is that sometimes under emotional stress it's easy to try and place blame and find a simple reason for situations not being as they should. And from that position, it can be pretty easy to be manipulated and pointed in the wrong direction. The country in general clearly has millions of disenfranchised people still, this is only likely to increase given the pandemic and immediate impact of Brexit. To move back in the right direction, the disenfranchised must have a purpose or must be led. Sadly, I cannot see either of those things happening this decade 🙁
RichPenny has it. It's all well and good flexing your intellect about macro economics etc but you are forgetting that a lot of people voted for Brexit as an emotional reaction to direct lived experience and identified the wrong target. To paraphrase Machiavelli, distraction is the essence of deception and we certainly have some political leaders who understand that thoroughly.
My own take is that Brexit has been manipulated into the grievance political issue for the UK in the same way race has in the US. It's the cow that can be milked almost endlessly. The Brexit campaign understood how to manipulate emotion.
Immigration is of net benefit.
study after study shows immigrants work longer, harder and pay more to do so.
Larger working population equals more tax and a more vibrant economy
My problem with that statement is that net benefit is exceptionally abstract to a lot of people. If I am working on a building site, and there is a group of people arriving who are prepared to work longer and harder for less money, am I seeing the impact as a more vibrant economy or as a threat to my immediate livelihood? Add the austerity measures on top and we all know where it leads.
If I am working on a building site, and there is a group of people arriving who are prepared to
work longer and harder for less money,not work cash in hand
Stop trying to start an argument, he doesn’t want to play, Edukator.
I've started treating this one with my 'chewkw filter'. See the username, and keep on scrolling until I get to someone else's post. It greatly increases my enjoyment of any thread graced by his/her presence.
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Richpenny raises an excellent point. If the current trend towards populism is to be interrupted, there needs to be less focus on abstract concepts and a little more empathy.
Frequent foreign holidays, third level education, international job mobility, pension pot values, access to foreign holiday homes etc are simply things that are not a feature of a lot of people's lives. My own pet theory is that's how we ended up with Brexit - there was a hubris among the educated and middle classes that no one could be stupid enough to vote for Brexit.
Trying to stay with the original theme of this thread it may be that after a period of time being out of the EU when these folks' lot has not improved they will deduce that their miseries had nothing to do with EU membership.
In more great Brexit news this morning, that sounds totally 'sunlit uplands', the supermarkets are saying in the event of 'No Deal' then the tariffs slapped on food will see a big rise in household bills.
Which with the economy in such great shape, and everyone feeling flush with optimism and awash with spare cash, is exactly what the country needs
I think shooterman had a valid point about the hubris of the middle class. As someone who is from a north east working class background and started work just as Thatcherism kicked in i watched my working class family deteriorating into the benefits class.
I decided a long time ago to educate, work, employ myself "out" of this and i have some 40 odd years later become probably upper middle class (hoo ****ing ray for me)
I still circulate in the world that was my roots, but i will point out that a lot of the folks i know (including family) are not bone idle but they do expect to be almost hand fed to some extent. I also realise that many folks who voted brexit in the Red Wall (lump of my family is from Blyth and Bedlington) will alwayd be the victims in politics, ecomomics and war.
So in summary these folks will pay the price again in brexit but they will continue to under write Boris's boys lifestyle. Sorry but it all rolls back to the elephant in the brexit room - people are poorly educated in the broader sense or thick if you want to be unkind.
In more great Brexit news this morning, that sounds totally ‘sunlit uplands’, the supermarkets are saying in the event of ‘No Deal’ then the tariffs slapped on food will see a big rise in household bills.
Was always going to be the case, meanwhile the brexies are saying things like 'give British trucks priority if there are delays, foreign hauliers will just have to buy more tractor units and trailers to make up for the ones stuck in the UK'.
The massive point they are totally missing is that hauliers will just double or triple the price to deliver goods to the UK, as a lorry that's parked is a lorry that's losing money - they simply won't swallow the cost of extended customs delays, and why should they?
Its a triple whammy when you think about it
The cost of imports of not just food, but everything, is going to increase massively
The costs of exporting to the continent are going to increase massively for UK businesses, thus becoming unviable.
We're going to have to pay for all this expensive and previously unnecessary customs infrastructure through taxation
Well done Brexiteers! You've played a blinder for Britain there