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Are people allowed to join the Conservative Party to vote a la Labour Party and £3 voters?
It doesn't matter anyway as the worst contender is going to win.
Johnson does see himself as a Churchill so a war would be right up his street.
The funny thing is that after this clown parade is over Johnson becomes PM & then still has the same impossible task as May. (And a handful of working days left b4 31st of October!)
He has no plan to get Brexit through, yet somehow the tory membership & Leave voters seem to think he's their saviour- do these people just spend their entire lives continually surprised that repeating the same mistakes over & over leads to the same result?
He has no plan to get Brexit through,
doesn't need one, just leave with no deal as that will be great (or so the tory members voting for him think)
I believe Bojo will happily take the UK out the EU with a No Deal. He will have the backing of the ERG & Moggists headbangers and the tory membership. They all believe Bojo can deliver another GE victory, thus defeating TBP & Jeremy.
This will embolden Bojo even more than ever and he will simply claim over and over again, that HIS tory government will save the country and deliver a (never appearing) deal.
The man is a ZOMBIE MAGGOT...!!!!
Are people allowed to join the Conservative Party to vote a la Labour Party and £3 voters?
Yep. Leave.eu have been encouraging it’s supporters to do just that since it became apparent that May wasn’t just going to walk us off the cliff, to ensure a hard brexiter gets the top job, when she was ousted. I know this, as that’s what my dad and his wife have done.
Those criticising Boris for not having a plan for us leaving? He doesn’t need one. Like it or not, we are leaving on 31/10, unless someone does something about it. Do you trust him to do something about it, for the good of the country? Or will he decide he fancies cottage pie for tea?
I always though Johson was as pro-brexit as they come.
I remember him almost flipping a coin before the referendum to decide whether he was leave or remain. His decision to back leave was based on what would be best for him (as always) so wouldn’t see him as a staunch brexiteer
I'm not sure how true that tale is.
Whilst the idea he picked a side based on his best chances of screwing CMD to get his job is pure Boris, he was the Telegraph Brussels reporter in the late 80s and early 90s. In true Boris style he knew his audience "Middle Class, Middle England" distrusted, well everyone, but they hated the EU so he "reported" a lot of the Eurosceptic "facts" that formed the basis of UKIP in the early 90s. Again, in typical Boris fashion, rather than go to the effort of actually working for a living, he made them all up.
In this own words:
"I saw the whole [European Union] change. It was a wonderful time to be there. The Berlin Wall fell and the French and Germans had to decide how they were going to respond to this event, and what was Europe going to become, and there was this fantastic pressure to create a single polity, to create an answer to the historic German problem, and this produced the most fantastic strains in the Conservative Party, so everything I wrote from Brussels, I found was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party, and it really gave me this I suppose rather weird sense of power.
—Boris Johnson"
So that's our new Prime Minster.
His 'opposition'. Is a Man who campaigned against joining the EU in the first place, and against every new law designed to increase our membership up to the point he became leader.
I always though Johson was as pro-brexit as they come. I suppose the closer you get to being the person that has to actually make that decision, the more of a bad idea it begins to seem!
You're missing the point. Boris Johnson is purely pro Boris Johnson and will say whatever it takes in the moment to advance his interests. If the Tory party membership decided that revoke was the way forward he would instantly be as 'pro-revocation as they come'.
Brexit for the Tories has become something they 'must deliver', not because it offers any benefits - barely any of them are now arguing that it does - but because it's become an existential crisis for them. Thing is, there is no clean, sharp Brexit. If you leave without a deal, the next step is an endless negotiation about the future trade relationship with the EU, which basically is back to the same old backstop / deal horror. And repeat.
Those criticising Boris for not having a plan for us leaving? He doesn’t need one. Like it or not, we are leaving on 31/10, unless someone does something about it. Do you trust him to do something about it, for the good of the country? Or will he decide he fancies cottage pie for tea?
I don't think we will. He's already changed his tune slightly about definitely leaving.
The only thing I think we can definitely say about him at the moment is that he will be the next PM.
If we don't leave I imagine the shouts from Farage will become unbearable, a general election shall be called & Farage will be the next PM.
If we don’t leave I imagine the shouts from Farage will become unbearable, a general election shall be called & Farage will be the next PM.
Did you feel as awful typing that as I did reading it?
Did you feel as awful typing that as I did reading it?
Dunno, a little bit of sick came out as I typed it. How does that compare to your feeling?
A mixture of horror, revulsion and disbelief. No sick though.
i posted this in the EU thread but its an excellent summary of the choices Johnson faces
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/
also hes already told business he'll opt for an extension to the extension, but maybe in the hope EU will reject it or make it so unpalatble we reject it
As I have explained, the miscalculations on this side are even greater. They have bedevilled for the last 3 years. And there is no sign of that changing. With a ‘new deal’ impossible by October 31 – and all know full well it is, whatever they profess to believe – we shall seemingly either have a prime minister fully aware that ‘no deal’ can be the only outcome on that date, hoping that the 27 deliver it for him, and genuinely not intending to seek an extension.
Or we have a prime minister who fully intends to seek an extension, calculating – wrongly, I fear – that, unlike his predecessor, he can deliver a Withdrawal Agreement with alternative arrangements to a backstop embedded in it, or guaranteed to come into force before it was ever triggered.
Or we have a prime minister who privately knows that the Withdrawal Agreement will not be reopened, but thinks he can sell it unchanged, accompanied by a changed destination in the Political Declaration, with some brio, charisma and bluster, to a Commons some of whom are desperate now to get anything over the line.
Or we have a prime minister who intends to make what he knows to be unnegotiable demands in order to have the pretext to go for an election which enables him, once the demands are rebuffed, to go to ‘no deal’ if he can change the composition of the Commons to back it.
Is there really a view that the general public care more about Brexit than education, healthcare, social welfare, security etc?
As ridiculous as it's got, I really don't believe that a voting majority would elect sufficient Brexit Party MP's to form a government. If Farage did have a successful GE, this would most likely precipitate a hung parliament. Who would form a coalition with him? Can anyone honestly imagine a Con-Brex coalition with Farage as PM?
https://fullfact.org/europe/would-brexit-party-win-general-election/
You’re missing the point. Boris Johnson is purely pro Boris Johnson and will say whatever it takes in the moment to advance his interests
True. I'd forgotten it was Rees-Mogg (and also my MP) who consistently voted against the WA and anything else that wouldn't result in no-deal. Johnson changed his mind as soon as there was a hint he might become PM.
Do you think that the Conservative Party have resigned themselves that no type of Brexshit will be passed with the present numbers in Parliament, and that there will be a GE, therefore Boris is the best chance of taking greater numbers in that election?
Even a term watching & braying at Corbyn from the opposite benches wouldn't be so bad, let Labour see if they can get it through and come back fighting after one term.
Johnson has to be held accountable for all his previous questionable statements. Every. Single. One. Every media interview should be robustly ripping him to bits, asking the same questions about his past, he is a disgusting individual.
Can anyone honestly imagine a Con-Brex coalition with Farage as PM?
I can imagine PM Farage as leader of either the Conservative Party (the members would vote for him) or the leader of a new right wing party formed by MPs leaving the Conservative party and Brexit Party. Despite being the figure head of the Brexit Party, he wouldn't feel even the smallest amount of regret if he wound it up to move on to become PM. After Boris… anything could come next for what is currently called the Conservative Party…
This will embolden Bojo even more than ever and he will simply claim over and over again, that HIS tory government will save the country and deliver a (never appearing) deal.
Make UK Great Again hats in Union Jack colors*.
You heard it hear first.
*sic. Not an accident.
he wouldn’t feel even the smallest amount of regret
I am really not sure that he would actually want the responsibility. Its far more his style to rake in the money and throw shit from the sidelines whilst avoiding anything like doing the job we pay him for.
Are people allowed to join the Conservative Party to vote a la Labour Party and £3 voters?
Yep. Leave.eu have been encouraging it’s supporters to do just that
Worryingly successfully too, seemingly. After Banks' rallying call, Tory membership shot up by something like 30,000 (from memory, I'd have to look up exact figures). That man has - literally - just bought the next PM.
Still, democracy hey.
I can imagine PM Farage as leader of either the Conservative Party (the members would vote for him) or the leader of a new right wing party formed by MPs leaving the Conservative party and Brexit Party.
I can't see him heading up the Tories, unless they collapsed to such a monumental degree that they were the minority support in a coalition. He wouldn't get enough free rein, Farage is all about the control.
Do you think that the Conservative Party have resigned themselves that no type of Brexshit will be passed with the present numbers in Parliament, and that there will be a GE, therefore Boris is the best chance of taking greater numbers in that election?
I think they're just in a blind panic. They've genuinely abandoned logic and reality in favour of magical thinking. They do seem to think that Boris is vaguely electable, but mostly they're lost in a sort of fantasy dreamscape where Brexit disappears because Boris says he can sort it and everything goes back to normal. It's a kind of mass delusion born of desperation.
Bear in mind too that Tory MPs are also desperate to hold onto their 'jobs'. When our local Tory MP was turfed out in the 2017 General Election, the first thing he did other than complaining that a local grassroots campaign against him was coordinated from outside the area - which was bollocks - was to whine that he didn't have a job or any skills.
So maybe a bit, but mostly they're on a sinking ship and Boris is offering free life rafts made from unicorn hair.
Is there really a view that the general public care more about Brexit than education, healthcare, social welfare, security etc?
I'm always mindful of polls, I've met pollsters on the street at various times over the years. I can't remember ever actually agreeing to give them my view, I'm usually too busy doing whatever it is I'm doing that day.
The people who do speak to them are generally, old and retired or so enthused about the subject they'll give it their time. I think that's why opinion polls tend to be more binary.
I have doubts the Brexit Party could actually fight a GE. EU election yeah, even now the main parties won't devote too much time or resources to it.
To give an idea of scale, Banks gave Farage £500k to form the Brexit party and campaign the EU elections and they got 30% or so, more than he got usually under UKIP, but not much.
The Tories spent over £18m campaigning the short-notice 2017 GE.
There's no way Brext/Tory would get to form a minority government, more likely we'd end up with a fragmented SNP/LibDem/Labour Gov.
To give an idea of scale, Banks gave Farage £500k to form the Brexit party
Speaking of which,
It appears not everyone is a fan...
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The amount of people voting for him keeps going up each round - it's mind boggling.
Sajid Javid is out of the race now.
Johnson, Hunt or Gove. ugh. and I really have no idea which of Hunt or Gove the MPs prefer or if one of them appeals to the tory members more than the other.
The amount of people voting for him keeps going up each round – it’s mind boggling.
Need to remember these are tory MPs, they do not think in a way that we can comprehend.
I'd imagine that most of them are voting to save their own skin because the 1922 and whips will know who is voting for whom.
Are people allowed to join the Conservative Party to vote a la Labour Party and £3 voters?
£25
Don't forget "supporters" of the Brexit Party company, and Leave.EU, can become (and are) members of the Conservative party as well. They have learnt a lot from the Tea Party and Trump. Taking over one of the main parties, without your organisation being subsumed or in any way answering to that party, is modern dirty politics in full effect. The BBC keeps interviewing long term active Tory members, who are very often against Boris taking over… but all polls of members eligible to vote shows strong support for him, and only him. Boris supporters are donors and voters for Farage, as well as having a vote to choose our PM. They have this sewn up.
This made me laugh...
Boris Johnson is an albino version of the Orangutan from Cannonball run, loads of people love the character but its a ****ing ridiculous thing to be put in control of anything, especially peoples lives
From the Happy Toast twitter account.
The amount of people voting for him keeps going up each round – it’s mind boggling.
If the same number of people vote each time but the number of candidates reduces, then surely the likelihood is that votes for the remaining candidates will go up?
There were two spoiled ballots in this morning's vote. Presumably MPs who can't face voting for any of the fantasists on offer.
I’d imagine that most of them are voting to save their own skin because the 1922 and whips will know who is voting for whom.
Or voting with an eye on a place in the Johnson cabinet.
There were two spoiled ballots in this morning’s vote. Presumably MPs who can’t face voting for any of the fantasists on offer.
Rory Stewart throwing a massive benny?
If the same number of people vote each time but the number of candidates reduces, then surely the likelihood is that votes for the remaining candidates will go up?
Maybe - but the way it works in my head is he's the favourite. If I was voting & wanted him to lead the party then I would do so since round 1.
If I didn't want him in then I would vote for someone else, that person gets eliminated & would vote for someone else who isn't BJ, & so on... That's just the way I have been thinking about it.
Rory Stewart throwing a massive benny?
And A N Other...
Don't under-estimate the sheer low animal cunning of Tory MPs. There's every chance Boris will try and engineer the final vote to make sure he faces Hunt rather than Gove by 'lending' votes to Hunt. Of course he then runs the risk of the whole thing leaking which will make him look even more ghastly then he already appears, but hey, Tory leadership battles, you lie or you die.
tomhoward
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Yep. Leave.eu have been encouraging it’s supporters to do just that since it became apparent that May wasn’t just going to walk us off the cliff, to ensure a hard brexiter gets the top job, when she was ousted.
Yup. Tory membership has soared over the last year, and it's not going to be because loads of people were so impressed by how well they were doing. There were 124000 in 2018, now there's 160000. Considering the standing trends in their membership, their terrible performance, and their aging demographic it seems pretty fair to assume that without this entryism their membership would be falling, not rising, but at the very least, 25% of their members result from the last year's entryism. Likely closer to 33%, but 25% without a doubt.
Mysteriously, the tory dominated press don't seem to be talking about this. And yet everyone's still banging on about Labour £3 voters, who made no difference to the actual outcome of that election.
Of course, it's entirely possible that Johnson will sweep the board and that all of these attempts to subvert the party process will be meaningless anyway, and that these extra 25% of hard right *s will be made irrelevant by the fact that most of the other 75% were already *s.
most of the other 75% were already ****s.
I've just listened to a **** called "keith" regurgitate his stomach contents on LBC, an ageing golf playing tory voter all his life who relishes the fact that Boris will deliver us a hard brexit.
If you happen to see Keith playing golf then please grab his driver and dispatch him...doesn't have to be a humane quick dispatch either, perhaps just wing him to start with then let nature take it's course.
Gove suffers the consequences of a spelling mistake in the analysis report that said he was a shoe in to win a pobularity contest.
25 years ago, this was wild satire, totally excessive, yet it could be Johnson any time in the last 2 years.
Alan B'stard
I always believed that if people like this became electable there would be a groundswell of public opinion against them.
Sadly, we're witnessing the final act of Thatcher's great experiment - it's the democratic equivalent of rioters destroying their own homes, LA writ large.
Appealing to baser instincts is so much easier than appealing to the finer aspects of human nature.
There truly is no such thing as society anymore.
Less than 80 years since the last time, we never learn.
Standing by is not an option.
It's time to pick sides and do whatever is necessary to oppose this.
f you happen to see Keith playing golf then please grab his driver and dispatch him
Its not his fault you listen to LBC 🙂
BadlyWiredDog
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There were two spoiled ballots in this morning’s vote. Presumably MPs who can’t face voting for any of the fantasists on offer.
I read that as "soiled"
Just dawned on me this morning we have the choice of a Johnson or a Hunt for next pm. Now all we need is an A. Hole and we have the full set.
NSFW:
Oh Boris, you lovable rouge.....
I’d imagine that if he’s been ‘knockin’ er abaaart a bit’ (as seems to be the implication) then the rich, white, old, male Tory party members will probably just shrug and assume ‘she was probably asking for it’ and vote for him anyway
The real shit hasn't even hit the fan yet… and even when it does, it won't stop him becoming PM, his supporters don't care. Hopefullly the voters will.
Regarding the police being called to his house last night, my concern is why I can't see it reported elsewhere including the BBC....yet?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home/blockquote >Boris was always going to be the one who stopped Boris. 🙂
Boris was always going to be the one who stopped Boris. 🙂
Exactly, that's why his backers wont let him out unaccompanied. He has 16 public meetings to attend in the next 4 weeks, as well as a few media interviews, I really hope he messes up, or, I should say, acts in his normal way to show his true colours.
What’s most worrying about the Guardian report is that the police denied all knowledge of it until they were presented with the Guardian’s evidence
What’s that all about then?
my friend used to work with his brother
He was an entitled dick as well apparently
"Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48721211
What’s that all about then?
I think it would depend on exactly what is asked. Most police responses are generally deliberately vague along the lines of man aged x rather than going "yeah we nicked dissonance for being ugly".
Especially after the recent few screwups where people have proved inconveniently innocent after the press was let lose on them.
So it could be the cops being dubious or it could just be poor reporting eg did the police really only respond when given identifier numbers or did they just say after being given the crime number said "yes that is correct".
A neighbour told the Guardian they heard a woman screaming followed by “slamming and banging”. At one point Symonds could be heard telling Johnson to “get off me” and “get out of my flat”.
A Johnson premiership will at least be entertaining...
https://twitter.com/Robert___Harris/status/1142162495693578244?s=19
And yet still Labour will find a way to be nowhere...
You really couldn't make it up.....perhaps Mark Field was in the guest room.
In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said: "At 00:24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in the SE5 area of Camberwell.
"The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour.
"Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action."
Regarding the police being called to his house last night, my concern is why I can’t see it reported elsewhere including the BBC….yet?
They have run the story now, but the BBC have been afraid to be front runners in any story, ever since they had their balls cut off following the David Kelly case and inquiry stitch up. That was also used to as en excuse to defund their news department, and is IMO one of the main reasons that the populists are now able to come out with such complete shit (in the UK) without being properly questioned and challenged in the media.
Regarding the police being called to his house last night, my concern is why I can’t see it reported elsewhere including the BBC….yet
My quote is from the BBC.
The police won't identify famous or individuals of importance unless absolutely required. Until then it's a speculative story which some news outlets will hold back on.
This has got to be intentional 😀
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The police won’t identify famous or individuals of importance unless absolutely required.
Of course they do, and they have many many times before, but just not the likes of Boris.
The Levenson inquest laid bare the cosy relationship between politicians, the police and the press, and how they abused power and privilege to distort truth, few if any of the recommended solutions were applied.
And a second, promised, enquiry was abandon by this government last year.
Of course they do, and they have many many times before, but just not the likes of Boris.
You didn’t read what I said did you.
I did, and I quoted it.
An example of how the BBC and police normally treat famous people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43883849
I know a lot of people want to believe the myths of british institutions as bastions of correctness and probity, it reassures them to believe they are something special. But really they are not, they fail all the times and there weaknesses should be pointed out and corrected or they will never come even close to the myth.
I heard an amusing comparison the other day ..apologies if already posted.
"Being asked to vote for the new conservative leader is rather like being asked which type of dog shit you'd like to stand in"
Rather true no ?
You quoted and read but missed the bit where I said unless required. A better word maybe unless necessary. Police don’t always confirm names of anyone unless it reaches a certain point it helps avoid situations like Tommy R ranting outside courts or their media. Unfortunately some new reporters don’t care and will give out names they think are involved.
MSP
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An example of how the BBC and police normally treat famous people.
It's an example of how they did it once. Is it normal? Considering that they got taken to court over it and lost, probably not.
So Johnson wouldn't answer questions about last night's police visit at his hustings today, Tory journo Iain dale booed by the party faithful for pressing him on it.
Those crazy old giffers are going to elect him PM even though he's a disaster at every level!
Johnson is going be the next PM.
Unless he is literally caught on camera stabbing someone to death he will be PM.
Even then, if said victim is a forriner he would get away with it and still be elected.
From this article,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/22/boris-johnson-by-those-who-know-him
a lovely quote from his Eton housemaster
“I think he honestly believes it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”
Johnson’s Eton housemaster, Martin Hammond, in 1982 school report
I believe he will be our next PM. I believe he will not serve the country well. I believe he will leave the role with an even greater appreciation of himself than he currently holds. FWLIW, I’ll be voting against him when the time comes!
Markie
FWLIW, I’ll be voting against him when the time comes!
Amen brother. You me and many others.👍
I believe he will not serve the country well.
He's got a pretty impossible job - keeping the party together while not completely shafting the economy over brexit and somehow gaining enough support to get a majority at the next GE. (actually that's not in his/tory priority order, but the point stands). Anyone who can deliver all 3 of those would be an incredible leader. Don't think that's Boris though. Or hunt. Shame eh.
Poetic though?
He is going to have to sort out a mess he played a big part in creating.
Obviously the terrible irony is that when it all goes wrong he can just walk away from it all with little impact to his life in any way... whilst others suffer huge impacts.
He is going to have to sort out a mess he played a big part in creating.
Is he? Or is he going to lead us off a cliff to the chants of the membership, lauding him as the brave man who actually did it, only to foxtrot oscar as the effects start to take hold, blaming everyone but himself?
On the plus side, he will have a lot more homeless people to set fire to £50 notes in front of.
He’s got a pretty impossible job – keeping the party together while not completely shafting the economy over brexit and somehow gaining enough support to get a majority at the next GE.
Which he created and which would have been completely avoidable. That is the frustrating thing about all this, it is an entirely manufactured crisis.
This article gives some insight into how it might have come about.
How Oxford University shaped Brexit
A piece by an Oxford contemporary.
What I find a bit odd about the BJ row is why the police had to be called since they are likely to have been present anyway given he's an ex minister and potentially the next prime minister. Also a bit odd that the neighbour can approach the door unchallenged.
Malcom Ri****d was being interviewed this morning and made the point that the Tory leaders he served under had a hands-on grasp of much of the day to day running of the government departments whereas BJ thinks he can get away with "executive board" style management. He also commented that every couple have arguments, some heated, and that BJ could just have said something along those lines.
It seems a real coincidence that the neighbours were so interested ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/22/left-wing-neighbours-admit-taping-boris-johnson-row-girlfriend/
Not really ... they want their 15 minutes
the Tory leaders he served under had a hands-on grasp
Maybe he was just practicing?
He also commented that every couple have arguments
Yeah, but not like that. Maybe I'm the exceptional one, and Boris is the normal one, but I somehow doubt it.