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It seems a real coincidence that the neighbours were so interested …
Seems to be lots of people trying to push some kind of conspiracy theory to deflect attention away from their man.
There will be plenty more like this, and there already has been plenty of similar stuff.
Yeah, but not like that.
True, when my mrs spills her wine, I just laugh and say she can't have any of mine 😉
On my first job away from home I got asked to tidy up the foreman's caravan - he and his mrs had had a row. "Tidying up" included extracting a kitchen knife from the bedroom door! "Here's Jenny!!"
I believe he will not serve the country well
If only he believed in serving the country it's currently Boris first, party second and country a distant third.
There is no deflection ... they had political interest in reporting it. There is no suggestion of wife beating, but a “domestic” ... so all of these is a true storm ina t cup. I tell you what, if you have never had a domestic with your partner, continue being sanctimonious...
It makes no difference to whether he could or couldn’t run the country.
The fat that he is a complete tit is a completely different matter ... but his personal life is his concern.
The fact that Labour are making a complete hash of being a credible opposition, and monopolising when they could is a very sad state of affairs
Not really … they want their 15 minutes
Really? A link to the Telegraph, the news paper that's doing more than any other to promote Boris surprisingly has a story trying to deflect blame somehow onto the neighbours. Quelle surprise.
Normally I vote Conservative, but not with Boris as leader, his chance was when Cameron left but he bottled it, then did nothing but undermine May who was useless but actually tried to do something.
I do feel a bit for him regarding this whole police thing. Quote from another neighbour which makes his choice of partner (judgment issues again) seem perhaps unfortunate.
Fatimah, 32, said: “It was really loud, loud enough to make me turn down the TV and see what was going on. I could hear shouting and screaming from a lady, she sounded really angry. There was a man’s voice too, but he was much calmer and he was telling her to calm down but she was still chucking things about,” she told the Times.
I tell you what, if you have never had a domestic with your partner, continue being sanctimonious…
I've never had a domestic loud enough that the neighbours could hear Mrs Pondo scream "get off me", or that they could call the police, the police attend, and we're still at it long enough for them to record it.
Nickc ... I am fully aware of the Telegraph’s being the voice of the right wing/Jewish business.
Just as the Guardian is trendy lefty Islington reportage ...
On source of media is un-bias these days .... Sky, the Beeb, the Sun, the Mirror, probably even Hello magazine.
The DT article is just the counterpoint to some of the insinuations here that Boris is a wife beater. Those reporting it were not innocent & motivated by concern ...
I am also very surprises that Boris wouldn’t have some sort of security detail around him.
Taxi25 ... I think a lot of Boris’s life choices are questionable ... and in this case, perhaps he has chosen un-wisely. If he wants any respect, then it is time to wise up, make the correct decisions and behave like a statesman. I truly believe he is unable to do that. I don’t know if it is ego, autism, or just plain weird .... whilst you can oppose his ideals, he writes articulately ... but he personal performance is awful...
Really? A link to the Telegraph, the news paper that’s doing more than any other to promote Boris surprisingly has a story trying to deflect blame somehow onto the neighbours.
I mean, it couldn’t be more Brexit could it? Have a domestic, blame the neighbours. 😀
Man, you are right it is “so Brexit” ... I fail to understand what it has to do with Brexit...
Listening and taping your neighbours is very “stasi”
Just as the Guardian is trendy lefty Islington reportage
Are you serious? The Guardian has been editorially transformed into a neoliberal reactionary rag. You only need to look at their daily anti-Corbynisms and their reporting on Gaza, Trump-lite doesn't do it justice. Incidentally, Corbyn represents Islington North, and he's not very trendy.
Now back to Boris.
I am fully aware of the Telegraph’s being the voice of the right wing/Jewish business.
Just as the Guardian is trendy lefty Islington reportage …
Just to clarify, it seems you're partially aware of some lazy and outdated stereotypes, with a whiff of anti-semitism thrown in for good measure. But you crack on anyway.
makes no difference to whether he could or couldn’t run the country.
The fat that he is a complete tit is a completely different matter … but his personal life is his concern.
If what should have been a private matter becomes loud enough to be easily heard by a neighbour then it ceases to be a private matter.
And it can then shed a light onto how he might run the country.
If someone who knows they are under scrutiny cant keep what should have been a private matter within their four walls, then why should I trust them with sensitive information and matters of national security during a crisis situation? Should he be allowed into COBRA meetings let alone chair them?
I fail to understand what it has to do with Brexit…
I’m not in the slightest bit surprised that you failed to understand that.
Cha****ng ... not in the slightest bit anti-Semitic ... not my bag in life.
Didn’t realise “ Jewish business” is anti-semitic ....
Chuckles at that deadlydarcy, made even better by the total lack of comprehension.
Calling a newspaper "the voice of Jewish business" has a hint of anti-semitism by association with similar claims made historically. And it's not accurate to my knowledge.
Not calling you an anti-semite, I'm happy to declare for the record (as that would also be lazy and possibly unfounded).
Didn’t realise “ Jewish business” is anti-semitic
"Jewish business" you say? Rather than just "business"? I sense a grubby little conspiracy theory somewhere in the offing...
DD - I failed to understand because it complete unlinked? So please explain with you razor like intellect and superior analytical mind ...
Or is it that all Brexit voters are wife beaters?
Chapeau Darcy.
Okay, for those of a sensitive nature, “it’s business and pro-Zionist stance in recent years, which is seen by many as right wing.
Oddly, I have never seen the word “Jewish” as being an insult ... which many here seem to.
I believe anti-semitism is an issue in Labour, is it not?
The DT article is just the counterpoint to some of the insinuations here that Boris is a wife beater.
TBH I hadn't personally made that link, (that he's a wife beater), my take on it was Boris is a person that those even as close to want to be called family get so wound up by him; that they eventually descend it flaming arguments, so loud that two sets of neighbours felt they should call the cops, and one eventually did, and was concerned enough to record it.
Those reporting it were not innocent & motivated by concern …
They have specially released a statement saying that exactly what they did, You have no evidence (other than your own prejudice) otherwise
I am also very surprises that Boris wouldn’t have some sort of security detail around him.
He's just an MP, Jo Cox also didn't have a security detail.
Also, check your antisemitism detector, it appears to be broken; your welcome.
Interesting photo of Boris's car in The Sunday Times today with three or four ignored parking tickets stuck to the windscreen. I think that gives you a fairly clear idea of the sort of person he is - that he treats multiple ~100 pound parking tickets as trivial. Above the law etc.
Oddly, I have never seen the word “Jewish” as being an insult
Is there a difference between calling someone a bastard or calling someone a Jewish bastard?
Above the law etc.
Good to see that he has been found lying again about his connections with Steve Bannon.
Last year when it first came out he tried denying it as a "lefty delusion". Unfortunately Bannon was unsporting enough to have allowed himself to be recorded for a documentary which indicates that the blond arsehole might not have been fully truthful.
Interesting photo of Boris’s car in The Sunday Times today with three or four ignored parking tickets stuck to the windscreen. I think that gives you a fairly clear idea of the sort of person he is – that he treats multiple ~100 pound parking tickets as trivial. Above the law etc.
If you can be arsed to find the episode of top gear he was on, clarkson put to him that he ran up 5 figures (iirc) of parking fines as a car journo. He says he ‘jolly well paid them’, his boss disagrees.
Good to see that he has been found lying again about his connections with Steve Bannon.
You'd almost think the domestic row was a smoke screen to cover over reporting of this wouldn't you 🤔
The row happened, and not because of the neighbour's political beliefs. The telegraph just decided to play the man because there's no way they can play the ball in this case
The Tories have lied, cheated, misrepresented, smeared their opponents and generally behaved like vermin over the last 40 years to gain power and hold onto it any way they can.
And now they blame someone for telling the truth.
Odd isn't it, that people so utterly devoid of moral integrity are so ready to question the motives of others.
Looks like more neighbours are corroborating the traitorous remainers’ account. It would be lovely if they could find somewhere around 27 corroborating accounts. 😀
Malcom Ri****d (snip) He also commented that every couple have arguments, some heated, and that BJ could just have said something along those lines.
That really is an interesting point, it would be easy to defuse it. Just say "Every couple have arguments, this one was over spilt wine on Carrie's new sofa. Carrie and I are grateful to Tom and Eve for getting the Police to check up on us and I'm glad to say we were both fine."
Carrie Symonds is clearly willing to back up anything he says.
So is all this cloak and dagger stuff, plus her having a pop at the other couple in the media all about keeping the story in the media eye to keep Hammond out of the news and stop the media spending time analysing Boris's real failings?
We've all had psycho-birds [1], so I can't imagine getting a bollocking for wrecking a sofa costing him many votes, but an analysis of his competence must cost him votes and every time I see Hammond on the Media in recent days I rate him higher so I can imagine Boris would want to reduce his media exposure.
[1] STW's is called 'Louise'.
Genuine question, who is Hammond ?
Edit: just asked Madame who reads the Guardian most days and she's shaken her head and shrugged.
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Ta.
Edit: but why would Hammond need to be kept out of the news and what advantage to Boris? Hammond is conspicuously absent from UK politics pages in the press so doesn't appear to need attention diverted away from him.
but why would Hammond need to be kept out of the news and what advantage to Boris?
I offered an alternative and I'm sure you can think of others.
It was painful watching him duck Ian Dales question about it for 5 minutes. When the post above mentioned Malcolm Ri****d pointing out how easily it could have been defused it seems mental not to have done so unless there's a reason Boris wants this story to have legs and the only reasons I can think of are:
1) Reduce (eliminate) media discussion of Boris's failings for a while.
2) Keep Hammond out of the media.
I'm sure STW's more politically knowledgeable people can think of other reasons, but given Carrie Symonds has gone on the offensive in support of Boris I can't see any other reason for Boris to be evasive than to keep the story going and those are the only reasons I can come up with.
Feels to me like "Sofa-Gate" is Boris's equivalent of Antisemitism for Labour. It's costs them no votes and distracts the press from things that do cost them votes.
It seems to me that this is all academic anyway. Boris only has to appeal to 160,000 people. They’re all from the Home Counties, rich, white, old, racist and hark back to some mythical age of empire. The rest of us don’t matter. Our opinions count for **** all.
They’ve all fallen for his act so comprehensively that he could start sacrificing babies on live telly by throwing them into a wood chipper and they’d all still vote for him anyway
seems mental not to have done so unless there’s a reason Boris wants this story to have legs
I don't think Johnson or his advisers want the story to run, I don't think they expected it to make it into the press in way it has. Remember the row occurred on Thursday eve, I don't think they expected it to be the news story it has become all weekend and I don't think that by Saturday at the Hustings event in Birmingham they had formulated anything other than "Don't get involved in a discussion about it and just call it your private business". I don't think they expected Iain Dale (an ex Tory candidate MP, after all ) to go after Johnson for as much time as he did...Add all that up and you end up with 5 minutes of Johnson squirming uncomfortably, seemingly lost for words.
Johnson will sack Hammond if he gets to the doors of 10, and Hammond is May's man after all (and a remainer to boot), what Hammond says is pretty irrelevant to most Johnson supporters and the rank and file Brexiteers who hate him anyway.
Hammond is the least of Johnsons worries
even DFDS Liam Fox is being more honest than Johnson!
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1142764496093626369
Looking back at why the UK is in such a mess, I think it has a lot to do with the succession of shoddy Chancellors as with the PMs. Brown, Osborne, Hammond - this is such an important position that it should be as scrutinised as that of leader.
There is a good argument that Theresa May would have survived and won a GE outright if she'd got rid of Hammond and austerity as soon as she took over the reigns.
I don’t think Johnson or his advisers want the story to . run, I don’t think they expected it to make it into the press in way it has. Remember the row occurred on Thursday eve, I don’t think they expected it to be the news story it has become all weekend and I don’t think that by Saturday at the Hustings event in Birmingham they had formulated anything other than “Don’t get involved in a discussion about it and just call it your private business”. I don’t think they expected Iain Dale (an ex Tory candidate MP, after all ) to go after Johnson for as much time as he did…Add all that up and you end up with 5 minutes of Johnson squirming uncomfortably, seemingly lost for words.
Hmmmm, I do normally prefer cock-up to conspiracy but this was front page news on Saturday morning. Mind you, Boris is famous for not preparing for stuff, it's possible he really hadn't thought through answers for this. I'm not convinced though. It was a big story, you'd think he'd have a stock answer ready, he might not have expected it from Ian Dale [1] but he will have know it was coming from someone at some point.
On reflection I prefer your version. Famously unprepared man is unprepared is slightly more credible than famously unprepared man has cunning media manipulation plan... On the other hand Carrie Symonds is a media expert, maybe it was all her idea.
I can't decide. 🙂
[1] Mind ewe, Ian Dale might be a Brexiteer, but he's a professional interviewer and his career depends on asking the right questions so I can't see why Boris would have thought for one second that Dale would put Boris's career before his own and suppress the big tabloid story of the day. Plus from Dale/Smith's podcast I get the feeling Boris has arsed Dale around over Leader Candidate interviews and IIRC Dale didn't rate Boris in the past so I see no reason for Boris to expect an easy ride.
Hammond is the least of Johnsons worries
even DFDS Liam Fox is being more honest than Johnson!
Another good reason why Boris would rather the press was talking about him spilling wine on a Sofa than his Brexit plan.
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Man, you are right it is “so Brexit” … I fail to understand what it has to do with Brexit…
Listening and taping your neighbours is very “stasi”
Hearing a loud disturbance, calling the police and then recording it is somehow irresponsible?
This from the New Yorker is a pretty good summary of Johnson's background and character to date:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/the-empty-promise-of-boris-johnson
God only knows what he'd have to do to lose the votes of Conservative Party members, but I expect he'll try to find something.
Listening and taping your neighbours is very “stasi”
Hey… if they just called the police to attend, and hadn't taped and released the recording, you can be sure that their account of why they were worried would quickly, and successfully, have been denounced as just deceitful trouble making.
Patronising McHunt
That's no munchybox
For his next trick he will be pictured in Lancashire, wearing a flat cap and feeding hotpot to a whippet.
Utter ****s the lot of them, not much more to say
I understand from a fairly well connected source that since Boris has been living with Carrie he has had two other affairs and that the press is aware and looking for the right time to drop the story (to sell papers)
Is it possible that the whole argument on friday (and the follow up by Iain Dale) was confected to undermine/weaken that more damaging story?
Again - I can't believe people are having a pop at the guy who recorded the incident. If it's loud enough to call the police, then you've got have concerns.
Surely MI6 have got his place bugged anyway & will have video footage as well as audio?
https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1142391302698545155
All this conspiracy nonsense has been whipped up by the Daily Telegraph and the journalists who have turned that paper into the cheerleader for their most highly paid columnist, who is also an MP and running to be PM
Not much of a conflict of interest there then?
Ok - I'm starting to feel sick now. For the 2nd time I find myself in agreement with Piers Morgan...
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1143067849470201856
Is it possible that the whole argument on friday (and the follow up by Iain Dale) was confected to undermine/weaken that more damaging story?
The argument itself couldn't have been IMHO because they'd have no way know it would be recorded and sold to the papers. There's no way the couple who recorded it were in on it, they openly hate him.
However, personally, I think there's a high chance the cloak and dagger reaction to the recording was designed to distract from other issues. We can see this morning Hunt's challenging Boris to talk about policy and trying hard to get himself in the media so I'd have thought those are more likely candidates to be the thing we're being distracted from. In comparison, cheating on this current GF when he's already known to have divorced/cheated on wives doesn't seem an especially damaging story.
We don't even know how many children by how many women Johnson has. We do know he has had an injunction to stop the press even revealing the existence of at least one child.
He is of course like most public schoolboys a badly damaged individual with regards to his relationships with women. The "education" they get in these establishments leads to all sorts of issues trying to form relationships with women. google boarding school syndrome
Or - he is just an utter shit
Looks like whisperings of a vote of no confidence if Boris gets in, May survived but I'm not sure Boris would. His no deal stance is making people nervous.
Looks like whisperings of a vote of no confidence if Boris gets in
That'll be from the same people who said they'd never vote for him in a leadership election, then did precisely that.
Its the Tory party. The members of the Tory party only care about the Tory Party. That's it! They'll happily watch the country burn as long as they're the ones still in charge of the charred remains
Don’t get me wrong, as someone who is in great debt to the NHS, I truly despise Jeremy Hunt, and in no way wish him to run a bath, much less the country.
That said, he has always been pretty consistent, so you know where you stand with him. He hasn’t reverted to underhanded covert marketing techniques, been in contact with Steve Bannon (to my knowledge), been undermining the EU for a bit of sport for the last 30 years etc
He just seems to have been doing what he does. No doubt he will have done some manoeuvring and schmoozing to get where he is, but nowhere near the scale that the racist, homophobic, faux incompetent **** who will say anything to get into power has.
Im very sceptical that Tory remainers will risk a GE, its party before country every time, which is part of the reason were in this mess!
Im very sceptical that Tory remainers will risk a GE, its party before country every time, which is part of the reason were in this mess!
It's career rather than party, there's a good chance a few mps are going to be shunted so far from the front benches as to see their careers forever in tatters if they're not out right purged from the party following a BJ win so might see fit to ditch the party and take their chances as an independent or anyone else who'll have them.
Equally there's a few who aren't likely to get returned under BJ regardless of their place in the party, some of them may come down on the side of either try their chances elsewhere or hold fast to govt and start looking for a new job.
Ultimately though the cons. don't have the numbers to resist a no confidence motion if BJ upsets the DUP regardless of their own MPs.
Whether JC and the PLP will push a no confidence motion though is a different matter. I can well imagine a few Labour votes propping BJ up because there's more than one Labour mp who will be in fear for their job in a GE if it happens any time soon. (And I personally don't put it beyond JC to fiddle whilst London burns any more than Boris)
I'm hoping Boris gets the job... simply because he is going to be horrendous, and i think he is our quickest route to a vote of no-confidence in the government and a GE, which will hopefully clear out some dead wood/scumbags from both parties and reset things.
Patronising McHunt
Good of him to take time out of his busy schedule to pop by with your Deliveroo. 🙂
Good of him to take time out of his busy schedule to pop by with your Deliveroo.
Was trying to order a fish supper online from UberEats but my fingers slipped on the keyboard.
Fair play to Uber****s.com though. They delivered it anyway.
Is that not Boris' girlfriend with Ed Sheeran in those pics above? Perhaps that's why they had an argument.
They delivered it anyway
That's rather the risk here isn't it? I bet it was cold, not what you ordered and a lot more expensive than you were quoted too.
Don’t know if it’s beeb discussed already but wasn’t Boris heard saying something like “get off my laptop”?
Do you think his girlfriend had stumbled across c://Boris/nichegrumble/Maggie/ ?
Hmm, I wonder if Boris has ever met Damien Green. Makes you think...
Its the Tory party. The members of the Tory party only care about the Tory Party. That’s it! They’ll happily watch the country burn as long as they’re the ones still in charge of the charred remains
Apparently not according to that You Gov poll that suggested Tory party members were prepared to trash their own party, the economy, the union with Scotland and/or N Ireland and embrace Corbyn as leader of the party if it meant they could have the unicorn-driven rapture that is Brexit. The only thing that even seemed to give them pause for thought was a Corbyn government, they didn't want that.
So these days, mostly no, they only care about Brexit - and not having a Corbynite government - that's it. The party, the economy and other stuff come a distant second.
It's the end of days - or something like that...
they only care about Brexit – and not having a Corbynite government – that’s it.
Many of them were Remoaners. Now they think that deliverooing Brexit will guarantee votes and with it that career and appointments to boards and so on. They'll do whatever is needed, pragmatic to the end.
Many of them were Remoaners. Now they think that deliverooing Brexit will guarantee votes and with it that career and appointments to boards and so on. They’ll do whatever is needed, pragmatic to the end.
I think that's probably true of Tory MPs, but party members were always pro-Brexit. They're generally reckoned to be significantly to the right of both most Tory MPs and non-member Tory voters. They're the people who will elect Boris regardless of his character, lies etc.
Given his current avoidance of televised debates, this tweet isn't aging well...
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/583715164991590400
"Do as I say, not as I do. "
It's hardly a new idea in politics is it? It's not a good thing but it's about as old as the job.
I was going steal that image for the 'uk in 10 years' thread but the idea of Boris not dobbing in his girlfriend for a younger model by then is too outrageous.
this is pretty damning stuff coming from.... I assume he couldn't get it printed in his old paper 🙂
Like many showy personalities, he is of weak character. I recently suggested to a radio audience that he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge.
I assume he couldn’t get it printed in his old paper
Even if it were, it would only serve to fill a few hundred pages of der telangriff with pro BJ letters and, regrettably, the guardian is preaching to the choir.
53/47 I'm sure I've seen similar numbers before...
That's working out well.
We really are well and truly through the looking glass here
They're discussing on Radio 4 that Ken Clarke and some Tory MPs who truly loath Boris would trigger a vote of no confidence, but that a number of Labour MPs would not vote against him as they want someone to deliver a no deal Brexit, so would vote with the Tories.
Bonkers! Our parliamentary system is well and truly borked!
Looks like we'd be into full-blown constitutional crisis territory in the summer.
Something to look forward too, eh?