Jorris Bonson's government are a disgrace! get these ****ers out of power now.
*video on link, it won't imbed*
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49846830/labour-mp-karl-turner-confronts-dominic-cummings-over-death-threats
Dom Cummings will be the fall guy, 'aww it was all his fault, I was mis-advised,'
nice little woge for Dom and off he goes.. to a house in the country with a big garden, safe in his wealth that Brexit will have no affect whatsoever to his lifestyle, ****.
By the way, in your case, I have no idea if you’re hoping others are idiots, or if you’ve fallen for the line yourself.
Agree, he should have called an election when he became PM, but i think now its the only way to get rid of the moaners and get the job done.
Another referendum is pointless as im sure that Leave would win by an even bigger margin than before.
Jorris Bonson’s government are a disgrace! get these **** out of power now.
Yes its disgraceful wanting to implement the largest democratic vote in history, an utter disgrace!
Andy, were you playing Barry Shitpeas on tv the other day?
Wanting to implement Brexit isn’t a disgrace (not my view, btw) but inciting violence against MPs, Lying to the queen, unlawfully shutting down parliamentary scrutiny, refusing to accept the law is correct and behaving like an Eton 6th form bully giving wedgies to new 1st years, certainly is.
He is supposed to be the adult in charge of our relations with heads of state.
He is supposed to represent the head of our democratic system and the rule of law.
He is suppose to “Grow the **** Up”!
its disgraceful wanting to implement the largest democratic vote in history,
It's disgraceful for a representative democracy blindly wanting to implement the result of a statistically insignificant majority in an opinion poll held over three years ago, and trying every dirty trick in the book to do so including lying to and manipulating the populace in order to please rich businessmen who bankrolled the entire thing.
This is a 2016 argument, go directly to page 2 of the brexit thread, do not pass Go, do not collect £200 (cos it's worth **** all any more).
An election isn't going to help. This from Sir John Major's speech earlier.
andypaul
Yes its disgraceful wanting to implement the largest democratic vote in history, an utter disgrace!
The utter disgrace is the fact that it a core of die-hard right-wing nut jobs in the Conservative party that have thwarted Brexit and their preparedness to crash our economy and future prosperity for their disaster capitalist ambitions at the behest of their non-dom paymaster. The boring trope about it somehow being a 'remainer' plot when all along it's dirty foreign money that's funding your narrative.
Right that’s it, stop the world I want to get off. I agree with with a former Tory Prime Minister!
*at time of writing Boris Johnson is the current Prime Minister.
largest democratic vote in history
What? Not even close sweetheart.
Funny how easily andypaul and his ilk are taken in. All the ERG nut jobs had to do was compromise slightly and you would have had your Brexit.
Because of their intransigence, parliament has taken back control - ironically exactly what you apparently wanted so stop bleating about it. You should be celebrating!
If you want to get mad, get mad with Reese-Mogg and his mates. You won't of course because it is too easy to believe the BS they feed you.
Right that’s it, stop the world I want to get off. I agree with with a former Tory Prime Minister!
I know how you feel someone posted a Thatcher quotation the other day on Twitter and it wasn't wrong. I felt dirty and also a bit adult.
Another poster posited Occam's Razor this morning for the PM's performance last night. The theory was that it wasn't a strategy but the real man on show last night. A narcissistic psychopath at work. We as a country are in avery bad place.
An election isn’t going to help.
When the sitting government is deeply unpopular and has a majority of -40 and the opposition parties won't take over and do the job themsleves the only thing left is an election and hope someone gets a workable majority or at least two parties cobble together some kind of electoral deal that allows them to form a majority government.
Plus if he lost Corbyn really would have to go and could be replaced with someone palatable to the electorate, so an election could bring the Labour party back into the game overnight. A post momentum Labour party with sane leadership would win a landslide against the current mortally wounded Tory party.
The libdems would only work with either of the main party if the leader changed so theres another way the situation might change.
There's always the possibility the Libdems won outright and just revoked. That would buy at least five years of sanity and who knows the Brexit Party/Farage might just quit.
...but yeah an election could well change nothing, but it *could* change things and there's literally no alternative.
Funny how easily andypaul and his ilk are taken in. All the ERG nut jobs had to do was compromise slightly and you would have had your Brexit.
Because of their intransigence, parliament has taken back control – ironically exactly what you apparently wanted so stop bleating about it. You should be celebrating!
If you want to get mad, get mad with Reese-Mogg and his mates. You won’t of course because it is too easy to believe the BS they feed you.
Populism. It works well for people who don’t like to think too much. Or can’t.
‘Andypaul and his ilk’ are really the ones who are having the piss taken. Poor loves. Still, there’s no telling some people. Some infants just won’t take an adult’s word for it that fire is hot, so in goes the hand.
I still wonder if he was full of coke last night
I'm still going with bipolar.
I'd go with ex employer and current billionaire backer's opinion. Boris is a genuinely nasty guy when his back is against the wall.
He is loving playing out the biggest gamble in his life with little or no personnel downside if he loses.
Its beyond reckless.
His attitude displays a ludicrously privileged man who has never heard the word ‘no’ and has never had to deal with the consequences of any of his actions.
Just like that other **** Cameron
Eton has a lot to answer for
We as a country are in avery bad place.
The scales of justice have saved us once, they’ll save us again.
While its still legal can I call him a ****?
It's just incredible though.
My sister and bil are big fans of his. Couldn't give a damn about his lies and lack of morality.
As so often is the case, they stand to lose out in a post Brexit Britain. Dependant on the nhs etc.they aren't well off. It's almost all about immigration with them...
Sister is always complaining about the NHS so I can't wait to say "told you so" if there are shortages in her meds or the NHS goes completely down the plan. Moronic.
If you want to get mad, get mad with Reese-Mogg and his mates. You won’t of course because it is too easy to believe the BS they feed you.
Ahh here we go , Everybody that voted leave is stupid and didn’t know what they were voting for. And you wonder why there is division..
andy - so what did you vote for and why?
andy – so what did you vote for and why?
I voted remain in 2016, was very pro EU for many years and still am, as an economic block it works. What changed my mind is the conduct of many MP’s over the past few years which is nothing short of disgusting. Love him of probably hate him Boris is only trying to honour the referendum result but it up against a wall and trying to fight in any way he can. I truly believe that the leave vote has firmed up and increased so a second referendum would only work if they opened up voting rights to groups that were previously not eligible.
I truly believe that the leave vote has firmed up and increased so a second referendum would only work if they opened up voting rights to groups that were previously not eligible.
Does anyone know what the polls/research show on this?
The polls show clearly a significant majority for remain and Johnson is not trying to honour the referendum result - he is trying to get power for himself.
the referendum result was not for a no deal brexit but very marginally to leave and all the leavers said things like "we will remain in the SM" etc.
Andypaul over 500 MPs (~80%) have voted FOR one kind of brexit or another since the ref
But not that same version, not defining what type of brexit we'd get helped vote leave win
But it made this situation inevitable
Tories manifesto promised to leave with a deal (Mays), Labour said brexit had to meet 6 tests (basically norway/swiss)
These to parties were elected by the voters
Blaming MPs for doing exactly what we voted them to do is childish
'It’s almost all about immigration with them…' I hope they realise that Brexit has already caused a decline in European immigration and an increase in non-European immigration: the system likes to keep a surplus pool of labour to keep wages down etc. Plus we're seeing an increase in migration from Calais, the French don't want them there.
Joe Johnson: a rare example of an MP resigning to spend less time with his family. After Boris's comments about Jo Cox, who could blame him?
The hairdresser round the corner was banging on about Corbyn yesterday. I asked which policies he didn't like?'None of them!' (ie he didn't know of any). He seemed to be able to say more about his dress sense and accompanied by a sort of impotent eye-popping rage, very strange. I did ask whether he got his information from Beaverbrook personally or in print? 'Beaverbrook?'
Boris is only trying to honour the referendum result
Honouring the referendum result is way down the list of Boris' priorities
The polls show clearly a significant majority for remain
The problem is now they have to find a party to vote for...you would be a very brave man to vote Lib Dem, and Labours policies are all over the shop, as is the party. I guess that leaves the Green party?
I truly believe that the leave vote has firmed up and increased so a second referendum would only work if they opened up voting rights to groups that were previously not eligible.
Actually quite a lot of leave voters have died since 2016. And the younger voters coming of age every year are overwhelmingly likely to be remainers. The headline numbers are that 'mean number of Remain supporters grows by 235,000 each year, while number of Leave backers falls by 260,000'
On that basis, even if no-one has changed their mind since 2016, Remain would have a small majority. That's demographics for you regardless of whether you 'truly believe' something else.
If leavers are confident there's a majority for the deal or no deal they want, put it to a public vote. If Leave is as confident as it says, why not do that? Why not take a mandate from today's electorate, rather than one that's three years old and vote on reality rather than a loose collection of half-truths?
Other obvious points: 52% v 48% was never the overwhelming, winner takes all victory that the likes of Farage and Johnson paint it. If around 600,000 people from a population of 70,000,000 odd had voted the other way, there would have been no majority either way. Arguably the closeness of the result suggests that a Norway-style relationship with the EU would be more appropriate to the result.
Guess what, the reason May's deal didn't pass through Parliament wasn't down to remoaners, it was because hard right Brexiteers in the ERG refused to support it. Nothing will ever satisfy the ERG, nothing.
Finally, Brexit was never a national issue until the Tories made it one. It was an internal Conservative Party conflict that Cameron hoped to end with a referendum he never thought he'd have to hold because he didn't believe he'd win an outright majority in 2015. Opinion polls from back then show that for the majority of people, it was way down the list of important issues behind stuff like the NHS, education and low and order.
Boris Johnson? A narcissist cynically riding a fabricated unicorn as hard as he can in the hope that he'll end up with a statue.
52% v 48% was never the overwhelming, winner takes all victory that the likes of Farage and Johnson paint it.
Funnily enough, Farage suggested in the run-up to the Ref that a narrow Remain win should trigger another vote. This changed when Leave sneaked in.
On that basis, even if no-one has changed their mind since 2016, Remain would have a small majority. That’s demographics for you regardless of whether you ‘truly believe’ something else.
January 19 this year was estimated by some to be the date on which a combination of enfranchisement of younger voters and natural wastage of old gammons would deliver a majority for Remain.
I guess one of the moves next week in parliament is to move so that EU nationals and maybe even 16/17 yr olds get a vote in the next referendum
EU nationals get a vote in everything bar westminster elections and 16/17 yr olds get a vote in scotland where Holyrood has the power to let them
combination of enfranchisement of younger voters and natural wastage of old gammons would deliver a majority for Remain.
What lovely non-divisive language you use!
So you are saying the remain vote has to rely on people dying to win? nice!
Pretty much right
Brexit is politically an outlier as people in general are not changing their opinions
Because the Brexit vote split along age demographics, it probably no longer is the 'will of the people'
Brian curtice has some good info on his blog about it
This should really be in the EU thread
I thought this one was all about the number of time Johnson has been caught out lying
Love him of probably hate him Boris is only trying to honour the referendum result
You can't be that naive. You do know he initially voted against May's Brexit deal (twice)? It's difficult to conclude at this point that he really wants anything but a no deal Brexit (which would weaken the Pound and the UK economy and maximise the financial gains for some of his 'supporters' who have likely staked fortunes on shorting).
His red line on the Withdrawal Agreement of having no backstop but without having a workable alternative means a deal simply isn't possible. If he had actually proposed a reasonable alternative I might be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt that his primary goal isn't a no deal Brexit, but he hasn't.
I guess one of the moves next week in parliament is to move so that EU nationals and maybe even 16/17 yr olds get a vote in the next referendum
Sadly, too obvious a 'gerrymander', although I agree with it wholeheartedly, well the younger voting one, anyway.
I think enfranchising EU nationals is a step too far, much as I would like a decisive vote for Remain.
What lovely non-divisive language you use!
So you are saying the remain vote has to rely on people dying to win? nice!
No, just that public opinion naturally shifts over time via demographic change, and the ability of the old to **** up the future of the young may thankfully be curtailed by this. It can work in reverse too - the 'maturing' of the baby boomer generation and their attitudes led to an electoral advantage for the Conservatives in the 1980s and early 1990s.
People die, other people reach voting age. Sometimes it works to your advantage, sometimes it doesn't. We can all join hands now and sing 'Circle of Life', if that makes it seem less divisive.
Anyhow, demographic change is just one factor which may help Remain, the other, hopefully more significant one, is the dawning among those who didn't bother to vote last time that they could have prevented this entire cluster ****.
Just seen clip on news some mp confronting Cummings on station platform about the language used recently by the ‘boss’ felt properly chilled by it.
WTaF is he ? Just wanted to punch his stupid grin off his sneering face it gets worse by the minute ...
He's running the prime minister.
Free of consequence.
some mp confronting Cummings
Karl Turner. I'm amazed he didn't lamp "Short" Cummings during that exchange.
Serious question, these death threads, are both sides making them to both sides or are the threats rather one sided?
one sided despite what Johnson and Cummings try to claim.
Isn't that in itself, rather telling?
you would think so
