So you are saying the remain vote has to rely on people dying to win?
Unfortunately so.
Comfortable Baby Boomers are more likely to vote conservatively and act in their own self-interest. Hence why many of that generation, who picked up property for peanuts and as a consequence have been able to squirrel away a decent nest egg, are so scared of the bogeyman of 'foreigners coming to get their money', as presented by the gutter press, voted leave.
A generation of selfish and inwards looking people, who benefited from the post-war boom, the introduction of the NHS and a host of other things that have benefited their bank accounts, now wanting to pull up the drawbridge, lest someone else wish for even just a small slice of the advantages they were given.
Everybody that voted leave is stupid and didn’t know what they were voting for.
No-one who voted leave could possibly have known what they were voting for beyond the hand-wavy notion of"leaving" as it hadn't been defined back then. They might have known what they thought they were voting for, but that's an entirely different thing.
What changed my mind is the conduct of many MP’s over the past few years which is nothing short of disgusting.
Hang on, that doesn't make sense. Because you don't like the conduct of our own MPs, you want to remove any EU27 influence and hand absolute power to them? Is that not instead actually a compelling reason to want to remain?
A generation of selfish and inwards looking people, who benefited from the post-war boom
My Grandfather had an outside toilet until the mid 60’s..so much for the post war boom.
Are you saying those people didnt work for their money, if you are correct on what you are saying the older generation would have no reason to vote leave. Immigration has contributed to the house price they enjoy but is also a factor for their kids still being at home at 36 years of age. And remember we have been and are still in the EU, so by your own rules there shouldnt be a problem, so why did so many vote leave? The feeing was already there, all Farage and the like did was light the spark.
I work just as hard as those people and earn the same. However, due to joining the company at different times due to different ages, I paid a great proportion of my salary to buy an equivalent house and my pension is worth a fraction of theirs due to being dc rather than db.
It's nothing to do with working hard and everything to do with timing.
I also believe the rise in house prices has more to do with those pension funds than it does with a hand full of immigrants wants a roof over their heads.
Nothing I've seen from Boris (back on topic) and our parliament makes me think giving them "control" is a better idea than being in the EU. To say so is totally counter-intuitive.
And I agree about some of the older generation thinking they are protecting their own interests ahead of their children and, more disgustingly, their grandchildren. Supposed to be having a meal with my rabid Brexit voting mother this weekend, hoping we can avoid the issue. My dad at least appears to be now regretting his original choice.
And I agree about some of the older generation thinking they are protecting their own interests ahead of their children and, more disgustingly, their grandchildren.
Ok, can somebody explain to me why if the older generation has done so very well under EU membership, enjoying high house prices , good pensions and an altogether higher standard of living, why a majority of them voted to leave the EU?
Ok, can somebody explain to me why if the older generation has done so very well under EU membership, enjoying high house prices , good pensions and an altogether higher standard of living, why a majority of them voted to leave the EU?
This explains some:
Everybody that voted leave is stupid and didn’t know what they were voting for.
Although obviously not everyone and I'd say ignorant is a far better word than stupid. Lots of things the EU have been blamed for are domestic issues and there are lots of things that have been claimed we can't do unless we leave the EU but actually we could do if we wanted
Wrong thread … but older Leave voters I know tell me that they expect to worse off because of Brexit, but want it to happen for the benefit of their kids and grandkids. When challenged that they aren’t exactly being thanked by their family for that decision, it all gets a bit messy and a change of conversational topic becomes a wise move…
Ok, can somebody explain to me why if the older generation has done so very well under EU membership, enjoying high house prices , good pensions and an altogether higher standard of living, why a majority of them voted to leave the EU?
I think it is because of immigration. These people aren't stupid in most cases, but they see the increasingly out of control overpopulation of the world pushing migrants to the UK, which from their own personal position puts their wealth and comfort at risk.
So it's a type of racism I suppose. This generation grew up in a period of open racism too, so to revert is easier. Stoking these sentiments was an easy win for the Leave campaign.
This isn't how I feel. But to me it seems the best way of explaining why my parents and inlaws, who have otherwise been decent people, are now hardcore brexiteers willing to throw their grandchildren's future into such uncertainty. And I despair at that.
Ok, can somebody explain to me why if the older generation has done so very well under EU membership, enjoying high house prices , good pensions and an altogether higher standard of living, why a majority of them voted to leave the EU?
Forget that: can anyone explain to me how a chap at work can be certain we should leave with no deal ASAP (“just get on with it”) and then in the next breath and with a straight face say he hopes it won’t affect his plan to retire to Portugal ASAP. And expect me to respect his opinion.
can anyone explain to me how a chap at work can be certain we should leave with no deal ASAP (“just get on with it”)
Simple, he's an ignoramus.
I've said this several times before. Three years ago I'd have considered this a reasonable question, few people really understood the complexities of our symbiotic relationship with the EU back then. But anyone saying "I don't understand why we can't just leave" today is either dishonest or daft.
Ask him " no deal ever"?
What if it's a really amazing deal that will make Britain great again?
For anyone to travel to the mainland an agreement will have to be made. For anyone to sell something to the mainland we will need an agreement.
Is he suggesting no contact whatsoever with the mainland?
Boris's handler sharing his views on the news...
Clearly meaning any news he wasn't responsible for of course 🙂
Is he suggesting no contact whatsoever with the mainland?
Probably. But then he is most likely a cretin.
Yougov have
Tories 27
Lab 22
Lib Dems 22
BXP Ltd 17
Looks like Johnson tactic of stiring up hate is working
Tories due to climb more soon.
If they manage to crash us out before November, Johnson snaps up the Brexit/UKIP/burnitall vote.
If the opposition parties successfully stop the crash out, Johnson snaps up the Brexit/UKIP/stopthesurrender vote.
It’s an uphill challenge to stop Johnson now… ironically the best chance to defeat him is if he sorts a deal, which is his professed policy.
It’s an uphill challenge to stop Johnson now… ironically the best chance to defeat him is if he sorts a deal, which is his professed policy.
I think we’re far enough down the road now to know that what Poundshop Trump professes and the truth are very different things.
It’s an uphill challenge to stop Johnson now… ironically the best chance to defeat him is if he sorts a deal, which is his professed policy.
Or for Labour to swallow their pride and move a bit further towards to the center and convince remainers they are worth voting for. Labour can steal just as many votes from the lib dems as the Tories can from the Brexit party if they were so inclined.
How much evidence do the Corbyn supporters on here need, for them to understand Labours tactics are not working? Are they so embittered about the neo-liberal order that they would rather see Boris in power than something that might vaguely resemble the shadow of New Labour?
THEGUARDIAN.COM Smear campaign. Blah,blah....
Though.... If the investigation has real teeth, who knows?
I suspect he has just about stayed in a grey area just about enough to keep it "legal" but still wrong obvs. Basically just like Trump manages to do.
Cummings has started with Boris Vs parliament narrative and it's working
Sadly I think it'll win him the next election, Brexit or not
The hedge funds backing him will make a killing, the country will be poisoned for a generation but yeah Boris !
Cummings has started with Boris Vs parliament/judges/police/civil-servants narrative and it’s working
He managed to make everyone who works in schools, or education more generally, the enemy, back in the day (the blob). To get this one over the line, everyone will be under attack. And yet, the claim will be that it’s all to unify and heal the country. And people will go along with it. Oh, but don’t say anything disparaging about those that do.
I'm rather pessimistic about it all
Can't see how the country moves on from this
Especially with another decade of this to look forward to as we repeat the last 3 years trying to get the future relationship sorted.
Still johnson gets what he craves
The Boris sleaze allegations also catch Johnny Mercer for £85k/year for 20hrs/week work.
BBC.CO.UK If you look on Companies House there is a flurry of director changes associated with this.
20hrs/mth not week. 4hrs/wk. 🙂
The article is from April.
He was on HaveIGotNewsForYou earlier this year & they were hassling him for something, probably that.
I agree with kimbers, however this ends, I have no idea how you heal the tremendous damage it's done
Still johnson gets what he craves
Because there's no Opposition.
Momentum are just as culpable as Bojo, by hogtying the Labour party to that old fool, who hasn't the wit to see he is a puppet.
There needs to be a big shakeup in the political system, but it's hard to see how it can be done.
Can there not be a 'Reasonable Party'? One of sense and considered action?
BYLINETIMES.COM How rich do these ****ers need to be?
How rich do these **** need to be?
£££££££££££££££££££ +1 ?
So did Boris shag this woman?... who's involved in the cash scandal where public finance was used to bring her along.. that's what's being alluded to right?!
this was while he was with his new girlfriend Carrie Simmons? or his wife? either way he's been caught cheating on his partner again, he's a genuine scumbag, morally bankrupt and devoid of the proper attitudes and actions as to how to conduct oneself, in public and in private.
It seems like he might have.
Interestingly, no one is really bothered by that.
2 reasons, he shags everything so no-one is surprised. Secondly, the real dirt is in all the financial going on rather than the habitual infidelity...
How much evidence do the Corbyn supporters on here need, for them to understand Labours tactics are not working?
We know they aren't working. The issue for everyone is what would work. Everyone wants Corbyn to do what the want, but it's not always the same.
Boris isn't even taking any of this seriously, he's just a more eloquent Trump telling the largest group what they want to hear regardless. Not much you can do against that is there?
or anyone to travel to the mainland an agreement will have to be made. For anyone to sell something to the mainland we will need an agreement.
This. For our company this removes an expanding, lucrative market, or at best makes it more difficult.
But the pedant in me wants to point out Europe is not the mainland...
So I’ve just seen reports that No10 has announced that it is investigating intelligence claims of remainers colluding with foreign powers.
Lol.
This is going to get mental.
Yeah , the mail and express are really going for blood aren't they?
Also announcing that Boris would win an election even if he were in jail. Now I'm guessing the law would prevent that BUT if it were allowed... He would be a martyr and I think he would win. Just how did we get here guys?
Another paper saying that Arcuri told friends that she and him were having an affair.
That will just get drowned out in the noise though.
The next few weeks/ months leading to Brexit/ GE are going to get really nasty. I can see this going beyond words.😟
Oh yeah and he's building 40 hospitals.... Like that will happen and even if it did... Where are the staff and supporting services?
It's a ******* nightmare happening in front of us.
“Beyond words” puts it perfectly.
And, importantly, this isn’t just “an event” after which things will calm down… it is just the start.
This used to be a resigning offence. Moving into the “me too but let’s ignore if it’s Boris Johnson” era.
— Fiona Millar (@schooltruth) September 29, 2019
T.CO Can we just take a moment to savour Angela Rayner summing up a lot of people’s feelings towards Mr Johnson with one look of utter and complete contempt
remainers colluding with foreign powers.
No way, I mean I'm shocked.
A list of 27 other countries springs immediately to mind.
look of utter and complete contempt
that photo looks like a cheeky giggle to me
Not just the look of contempt but the posture says far more to me, arms crossed across chest and feet pointing inward signifies an unconscious response to a threat
Yeah, probably, but point is a photo of a facial expression means sod all. All a bit too tabloid (Ooh, look at the Queen asleep! er no she blinked.)
Anyway, he's definitely scum, so not really worth discussing. Sorry.
