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That Dorries tweet? Pygmies? Have I missed something
It’s Nadine who’s missing something. A second brain cell to keep the other one company
Be very afraid of the direction of travel for the UK
Toxic nationalist populism only ever inevitably goes one way and this country decided it’s direction in June 2016 when they handed power to corrupt, self-serving charlatans like Johnson and gave them what they craved… a blank sheet of paper for them to rewrite the rule book exclusively in their own interest
Be very afraid of the direction of travel for the UK.
Many of us are. We have been warning people about Johnson, and the populist horse he rode into no10 on, for quite some time now. It’s not hindsight, it has been happening in plain sight of all of us.
A barrister has offered pro bono to work for any members of the public who’ve been given fines by plod for boo-ing the PM and his strumpet the other day when arriving for the service. Be very afraid of the direction of travel for the UK.
Have fines actually been issued.? A brief google didn't give me a definitive answer so if you have a source for that.?
Not denying it's happened, wouldn't surprise me at all as I share similar sentiments to those expressed here already but is it possible that a media savvy barrister has seized on an opportunity for self-promotion.? Or is my google-fu failing me.?
Have fines actually been issued.? A brief google didn’t give me a definitive answer so if you have a source for that.?
I did think that as I have no idea what the charge would be , not liking the PM that will be millions guilty then.
A barrister has offered pro bono to work for any members of the public who’ve been given fines by plod for boo-ing the PM and his strumpet the other day
Likewise failing to find evidence of fines being issued, or what any theoretical offence may have been, and my liberal handwringing FB feed would probably have alerted this to me if it had happened
Interesting that "liberal" dog whistles make us all jump as well, we just assume it may be true
Have fines actually been issued.?
No.
any theoretical offence may have been
Mostly likely none. So much of this bill is so far untested though…
Johnson winning a VONC might actually be a blessing in disguise for anyone who want's to see the conservative party gone for a good number of years.
If he wins he gets to limp on, as the economy goes to shit on his watch, at the helm of a party too gutless to oust him.
Johnson winning a VONC might actually be a blessing in disguise for anyone who want’s to see the conservative party gone for a good number of years
I think the tory party are going to struggle with their identity anyway they will try to hold on to their red wall seats after the workers realise they are getting shafted, the older blue rinse brigade are dying off and some tory voters with a sense of decency will be put off.
Surely Labour need to call out these rags on this bullshit?
They'd be shut out of most of the mainstream press so would lose their voice.
They’d be shut out of most of the mainstream press so would lose their voice.
They already are shut out of mainstream press, so I really don't understand why they don't go down all guns blazing
A barrister has offered pro bono to work for any members of the public who’ve been given fines by plod for boo-ing the PM and his strumpet the other day when arriving for the service. Be very afraid of the direction of travel for the UK.
The tweet was shared on Telegram and unfortunately have been unable to locate. Don't have a Twitter account and can only read a few tweets then get blocked. Guess that it could have been removed cos, you know, the State won't allow that sort of thing.
Many of us are. We have been warning people about Johnson, and the populist horse he rode into no10 on, for quite some time now. It’s not hindsight, it has been happening in plain sight of all of us.
I know kelvin and agree with you. Can't believe he's still PM and that simply demonstrates what pathetic and spineless politicians we have. And the public too, they should have taken to the streets after the Partygate shenanigans. We're being played.
I’m not buying this fines for booing. I don’t doubt that Borisconi and Priti Awful would love to consider it for future legislation but until I see first hand accounts of people who were at Westminster being fined or prosecuted, I won’t believe it.
The Fail have gone full on hat-stand, haven't they?!
A brief sum-up of the runners and riders.
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1533441926363504640
In summary, we're screwed!
Got chatting to a pissed Gammon on the train on Friday night.
His building Co. had struggled through the Pandemic for which He blamed the HSE who gave them too many constants on site, fair enough I suppose they were implementing the rules set by the Johnson led government, but it's understandable that you're going to blame the official in front of you not the clown you voted for.
Of course now he hates Boris because he was having a party while everyone else was forced to comply and not see friends and family.
There was a caveat though, if Labour get in at the next GE he's winding up his business, apparently they'll do all businesses over he seemed to think Corbyn was still leading them...
And this perfectly frames the dichotomy we're stuck with right now, Boris needs to go for the good of the nation (and the conservative party). But a fair chunk of the polarised propaganda that got him installed has stuck. If a VONC happens and goes against Boris, whatever flavour of Tory party replaces the current Bunga-Boris acolytes will have time to regroup, distance themselves from the preceding couple of years of sleaze, while still capitalising on the RW, Brexity nationalism that the redtops are still happily pushing. If Boris survives the coming weeks he does the Tories more damage at the next GE and perhaps gives Labour more of a chance. But that improved chance means an extra couple of years of damage to the nation and it isn't guaranteed that SKS would beat Boris in a GE...
I think it's better to be free of Boris overall, but Brexit's shadow is going to persist for at least another decade, probably far longer and we could well end up with another similarly ****less arsehole before too long...
Isn't there something in Lipi Tater's bill about 'noisy' demonstrations? That could be interpreted in a number of ways.
We’re being played.
Some more than others - if I remember correctly didn't you vote for Brexit?
cos, you know, the State won’t allow that sort of thing.
Or maybe a solicitor saw an opportunity for some free publicity, or maybe you've got this third hand (as you didn't see the original) and it's out of context.
Either way what we don't need is yet more click bait without any substance.
Still on the boos:
I'm actually a bit concerned that there will be enough letters to trigger a no confidence vote tomorrow- it would be better if they held off a bit so that they can lose the two upcoming by elections first, to increase the chance of the vote being successful
If Boris survives the coming weeks he does the Tories more damage at the next GE and perhaps gives Labour more of a chance. But that improved chance means an extra couple of years of damage to the nation
This crossed my mind too!
If Boris survives the coming weeks he does the Tories more damage at the next GE and perhaps gives Labour more of a chance. But that improved chance means an extra couple of years of damage to the nation
There's that and there's the slight issue - brought to the fore this weekend - of what happens when the Queen dies and Charles takes over. He's a bit more prone to trying to get involved in political stuff, he's also a lot less self-aware and a lot more entitled than the Queen.
Put that up against a completely divided nation, with a pompous Prince trying to stamp his mark on things as well and it's not a good prospect.
You get the same level of damage if Johnson goes or stays - it will still be a tory in charge. If he stays all his energy will be taken up in self defense. If he goes a new PM will try to stamp their mark on stuff and might actually do something and cause greater damage
Charles takes over. He’s a bit more prone to trying to get involved in political stuff,
Big improvement on Boris then
he’s also a lot less self-aware and a lot more entitled than the Queen.
That might smooth the transition, to be fair
Seriously, do people really think Charles will overstep the constitutional boundaries and cause problems? That Republican Kool-Aid has been waiting so long for Liz to pop her clogs it's gone off!
I don't actually think Charles is a factor, I reckon it's going to skip a generation and William will be crowned, this is probably a done deal by now.
Plus I'm not sure exactly what powers you think a reigning monarch actually has over "their" elected government.
Has the Queen ever refused to ask a GE winning party leader to form a government? Are any of them, including Charles, stupid enough to see what happens if they don't play their ceremonial role in our parliamentary democracy?
Of course not. So He's as entitled to have opinions and express them as the rest of us. It's largely irrelevant if he gets to wear the crown or not. But it's probably going to be 'King Willy' next, 73 isn't a great age to ascend to the throne...
You get the same level of damage if Johnson goes or stays – it will still be a tory in charge. If he stays all his energy will be taken up in self defense. If he goes a new PM will try to stamp their mark on stuff and might actually do something and cause greater damage
I very much agree with this. Also, there is only one group of people I trust less with voting in a good prime minister than the general public and that's the general public who are also paid up members of the conservative party. So all in all I (bizarrely) hope for a couple more years of this muppet in the big seat.
Yeah I don't buy that as an argument for Boris continuing, he's also likely to do something extremely stupid as more dead cat fodder. He needs to go.
He'll be absolutely insufferable if he just squeaks through it (even more so than he already is). He'll take that as a green light to do whatever he wants (even more so than he already does).
Troubling times - there's no obvious successor; at least, none that aren't batshit mental which means a messy and protracted leadership challenge followed by another Cabinet reshuffle. It's just months more disarray. 🙄
Would be lovely to have a functioning Government that actually did positive things. Genuine question - when was the last time we had one of those? Early days of Blair?
I know kelvin and agree with you. Can’t believe he’s still PM and that simply demonstrates what pathetic and spineless politicians we have. And the public too, they should have taken to the streets after the Partygate shenanigans. We’re being played.
Cinnamon-girl - don't I remember you been a Leaver from the original Remain/Leave discussion?
Troubling times – there’s no obvious successor
well maybe the Tories shouldn't be in government then.
Can we lay off baiting cinnamon-girl - I know quite a few people who voted leave and voted for Boris "to get Brexit done" but feel totally betrayed by his recent behaviour.
I'm not sure "we told you so" adds much to the debate. It's like arguing we had right of way after being hit by a bus.
@MoreCashThanDash. I see your point but it's hard for some.
I despise bullying but I don't really want those people who voted Brexit to ever forget the evil they've reigned down on our country by voting Brexit.
FYI; to save anyone going through any earlier posts, I, personally, have not baited anyone but I don't want them to forget what they've done to us.
It’s like arguing we had right of way after being hit by a bus.
No it’s not, because there are still things we can do to mitigate the unbridled stupidity of Brexit. With a bus all you can do is suffer and possibly hope to recover at some point.
PS - I doubt we’ll take the simple mitigating actions, because Brexit is a religion and doesn’t take account of evidence.
I think he will survive the vonc.
Minimum of another year of Tory damage - country will be begging for another government come 24.
Always needed 5 more years of damage unfortunately to convince the electorate. (Post 2019)
The upside is I think the Tories will be out for years if they lose the G.E.
Javeed just admitted that there would be a VONC on breakfast. It's going to be an interesting week and I just don't know what I want the result to be. Obviously I want the lying toe rag gone but as has been rehearsed earlier it would give the Tories time to regroup even we don't see an obvious replacement. It will really require the opposition parties to step up the promotion of their policy offer.
Beeb web is reporting it as a ‘vote of confidence’
Interesting choice of words, or is that the official term?
Just announced VONC today.
I'm betting he'll win.
6.00pm tonight! Place your bets!
I’m not going to target this at anyone in particular, but I’m moving to another country at the end of next week, something I have very mixed feelings about, principally due to the effect Brexit had on my immigrant wife. It does stick in the throat to hear Brexiters feel betrayed by this government. How do you think remainers feel about it? Protecting their feelings is a long way down my list of priorities.
I know Johnson will never resign, but if he does squeak through, surely knowing that a large majority of your party want you gone isn’t a tenable position?
Genuinely conflicted as to whether him winning or losing is the least worst option for the country.
If he goes, would the Tories be better off (in their own self-intetest) calling an early election and handing the economic poison chalice to the opposition?