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Also there are only 650 MP's so hedging your bets on getting there "from out with the club" is definitely not the easiest way to go and try earn £85k. Certainly more secure jobs, some might only have a short term before having to go back to what they were doing before.
How much do you think someone like Nadine Dorries could earn on the open market?
The back bench MP is a simple job and paid far in excess of what these people would get outside of parliament with their skills for the vast majority of them
Whilst I agree that MPs pay and particularly expenses and second jobs needs to be reviewed to avoid it being exploited, £80k is not as excessive as you think it is - there's at least one (senior) civil servant based in our Nottingham office on that, a mate of mine comfortably makes that in IT. As shown above, if one in 25 people earn an MPs salary, that's one person in every school class - it's not shockingly excessive*.
And if its done properly - and "if" is doing a lot of lifting there - it's not an easy job, especially for MPs who spend half their lives away from their homes and families to be in Westminster.
*and I'm bang on average wage, and have been for about the last 15 years.
Another one, John Stephenson (Carlisle)…
I wonder how many more before the Jubliee weekend…
How much do you think someone like Nadine Dorries could earn on the open market?
She could probably make a few £100/month doing medical trials, preferably something veterinary related.
Another one, John Stephenson (Carlisle)…
We did Stevenson on the previous page, before the sidestep into MPs wages.
I wonder who's next...?
You only need 2 GCSE's to be a train driver and they get £50k per year.
I think the base salary is easily generous enough.
Expenses vary - some MP's take the proverbial, some don't.
What we need is more engagement with the electorate. I'd rather have good MP's, than rich ones.
Train drivers also have to do mental health tests, that I'm pretty sure the average mp would fail.
Wasn't there a report into MP's 2nd jobs a while ago, it turned out the roles in the Tory party were ones that improve their wealth & not help people, while those in Labour were ones that helped people.
She could probably make a few £100/month doing medical trials, preferably something veterinary related.
Considering she has set up and sold a successful business, been a director of BUPA and sold 2.5 million books, her earning capacity is pretty significant.
Nadine Dorries might be Nadine Dorries but she has sold a few million novels....
We've done the wages thing many times before, there's freelance techies amongst others on this forum who earn as much. I'm with Hislop, double the pay and cut the perks and extra jobs. Most Tory MP's are in it for the extras, remove them and you, err, remove them.
We should be able to point at our representatives and say "you've got one job to do..."
How else are you supposed to progress in the tory party other than unrelentingly fellating the boss?
There is no other way since Brexit. It is such a stupid idea that anyone with enough cash/kudos in the bank pissed off sharpish. Ken Clarke, Fiscal Phil Spreadsheet etc.
All that was left is all that was ever going to be left:
Utter halfwit Brexity loons.
Those that stayed to advance their own bank balances or status.
That is literally 'it'. To be educated enough to be in parliament means that, to believe in Brexit, you need to be either mentally unhinged, an exploiter, or some combination of the two.
This is a result of the reverse IQ test that is Brexit.
Nadine Dorries might be Nadine Dorries but she has sold a few million novels….
Which makes you wonder, given that she is fabbo wealtho darling, what life event turned her into such a vile person.
Birth.
I am another one in the pay them more, give them a fixed 'assistant rate' camp but take away most of the expenses and second jobs. We could get Premier Inn to build an MP's hotel in Westminster.
Good MP's are worth the money and it must be a hard job when done right.
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Something like that is the way to go. Plus being an ex-MP isn't exactly a bad thing to have on your CV if you do jack it in for more dosh in the big wild world. Unless you've been caught in flagrante somehow, that is.
With the state of the HoC estate & billions required to spend on it, build a new purpose built site, including accommodation and offices , facilities etc. Make it on an old brownfield site with good connections.
Oh and Marina Hyde is on good form as well.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/31/pounds-ounces-pints-boris-johnson-gibberish
Lord Geidt wants answers, he won't get them but he's appearing to want them
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61653755
With the state of the HoC estate & billions required to spend on it, build a new purpose built site, including accommodation and offices , facilities etc. Make it on an old brownfield site with good connections.
And in Manchester or Sheffield
There needs to be complete reform of Parliament, from our voting systems, the way that political parties are funded and the role of advisors etc to provide greater transparency and accountability. Parliament should operate like a modern business with shared services for IT, admin and all staff employed under a single framework agreement. MP’s should only be able to claim expenses under HMRC rules and all not allowed to employ family members. Hell will freeze over and pigs will fly sooner than under the current administration.
With the state of the HoC estate & billions required to spend on it, build a new purpose built site, including accommodation and offices , facilities etc. Make it on an old brownfield site with good connections.And in Manchester or SheffieldWith no car parking. Plenty of bike parking but only that, buses and trains to get to work. We'd soon have HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail built then! Plus a network of safe segregated bike lanes. And possibly an overhaul of driving law too - it'd only take one MP to end up half under a taxi before there'd be a host of rewrites to road justice and sentencing.
I've said it many times £7bill will buy a lot of accommodation, security, secretarial staff. In purpose built buildings.
Has Geidt finally grown a pair?
There seems to have been quite a shift in sentiment in the past 24 hours; is the road beginning to run out for johnson?
I struggle to believe he's not diabetic. With a BMI of 35 and free access to all that taxpayer funded booze and cake and even horseface seems to have done a runner it might be a good idea to give it a rest. Just do us all a favour.
Has Geidt finally grown a pair?
There seems to have been quite a shift in sentiment in the past 24 hours; is the road beginning to run out for johnson?
Geidt probably concerned that he looks complicit in this
I bet Gray similarly tries to make similar moves.
The Tory party will take some time to wash the Johnson stink off
The headline you won't see on the front page of tomorrow's mail, torygraph or express...
PM's adviser in 'PM wouldn't accept my advice' shocker.
Some of the Vox-pops on the radio this afternoon suggested the Tory grass roots are starting to comprehend the situation they are in. The "Red Meat" or various tunes played on a dog whistle aren't really appealing now. And if they (or their MPs) let him persist in post until the GE it will almost certainly be lost. Who'd a thunk it? Conservative voters actually thinking a bit longer term 😉
Anyway if there's a VONC coming it won't be announced before Monday, but part of me thinks this is all just press hype and Borisconi will cling on like particularly sticky shit to an extra fluffy blanket.
An interesting point they made on R4 was that if there is a VONC against Big Dog, it will also mean a clearing of the front bench, and it's quite possible that a new leader could come from the back benches or junior ministerial ranks if they're not too tarnished. So who's your money on now?
Penny Mordaunt has apparently been talked about as has Mark Harper (Chief Whip) both are probably "Brexity" enough for general Tory consumption, although probably lack high enough profiles. While Esther McVey is apparently seen as representing "working class conservatism" if they want to try and hang on the the Red wall seats...
I reckon it could be another wide open contest for the poisoned chalice again, assuming Bunga-Boris does finally take the tumble he deserves...
Is there a dumbojo jnr of suitable age that he can anoint as his successor?
Liz Truss. the new leader will be her. She tickles the fancy of the back benches and the membership
If anyone in the Tory party has had the measure of Johnson, it’s Dominic Grieve. He wasn’t holding back tonight, calling him a ‘serial liar’ and saying he won’t resign as ‘he’ll have to have his fingers prised from the window ledge’
“He is shameless and needs to be removed from office”
https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1531724192663625729?s=21&t=hq0ClCsigsdMBOkuRL1TZA
Does anybody seriously think Liz Truss could win a General election?
She has the mental age of a sixth former.
If anyone in the Tory party has had the measure of Johnson, it’s Dominic Grieve.
After long being the acceptable face of Toryism Grieve was kicked out of the party, stood as an independant and lost. So not in the Tory party.
Does anybody seriously think Liz Truss could win a General election?
She has the mental age of a sixth former.
She doesn't need to win a GE, she needs to win the support of the party to become its new leader.
She'll harness her inner Thatcher, do some more cringey TikTok stuff (remember how Theresa May came onto stage once at the Tory Party Conference to Dancing Queen? - well it'll be like that but on the internet. And at least three times as bad.)
And the Tory Party will fondly believe that she's "reconnecting to the young voters" or something and she'll win the leadership contest.
What odds do I get on the above?
Also - where the hell are Carrie and the two kids?
Ooh I think she’s in hiding.
I am here already with the gays
Somethings definitely stirring,either illicit liaisons or more brutal party gate revelations.
And the Tory Party will fondly believe that she’s “reconnecting to the young voters” or something and she’ll win the leadership contest.
Is that people over 50 🙂
That's what Dorris was doing with her online safety song, apparently.
Does anybody seriously think Liz Truss could win a General election?
She has the mental age of a sixth former.
at the risk of being sneery, have you seen the electorate?
She has the mental age of a sixth former
Generous.
I do not believe Truss could win a GE. I think her dimness would be horribly exposed. I do think tho she is likely to win the ballot amongst the tory faithful
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Also – where the hell are Carrie and the two kids?
Where Indeed
https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1530232564119502848?t=GsymveAcHTMIit4zOoaK6w&s=19
Raab was doing the rounds this morning.
The latest line appears to be: yes, he broke the ministerial code, but how was he supposed to know that?
I do not believe Truss could win a GE
*Thinks backs to 2017 and the May-bot campaign*...You sure about that?