I rather have a leader like him than a leader that will tell me how to live my life.
You want a leader who doesn't lead?
That suites the Tories fine. It’s a subtle but effective voter suppression, “they are all the same, why bother”.
Nope, it would be silly to stick blindly to a party.
I kept referring to "two generations" because I do not see any quality in the current crop of politicians ... all of them.
I mean look at all of them how can they keep messing up? Party after party ...
All they need to do is "do nothing" and let the people breath.
You want a leader who doesn’t lead?
Lead but not noose.
p/s: Mate is some sort of retired Prof who used to teach/research leadership whatever ... I asked him what leadership meant and he laughed, then told me it was just a lot of fertiliser coz nobody agrees ... LOL!
I mean look at all of them how can they keep messing up? Party after party
Out of interest which Prime minister was in power when you first voted?
Out of interest which party were in power when you first voted?
Labour was in power. Blair then Brown then who? (p/s: Cameron then May then Boris)
But I was also here long time ago when Thatcher (then John Major) was the PM (I voted for Green because I was trying to impress a female ... I was dirty then. It was like in the Benny Hill comedy when that girl winked at me I just followed.
Ahh Thatcher.
First and only riot I've been at was the Poll tax Riot. Was queueing for a gig as it kicked off massively.
Poll tax IIRC was roughly a month of my apprentice wages.
Ahh Thatcher.
First and only riot I’ve been at was the Poll tax Riot. Was queueing for a gig as it kicked of massively.
Poll tax IIRC was roughly a month of my apprentice wages.
LOL! Yeap was there with mates but I had no idea about poll tax but the female winked at me again so I went ... Looking back now I really feel like in a Benny Hill sketch ... she ended up sleeping with my friend ... D'oh!
p/s: I have voted for all major parties in my life from left to right whatever ... I feel dirty.
I see all politicians equally as Zombie Maggots regardless. The only different is that some do less damage than others.
And with that, this thread has descended into non-sequitur gibberish. 2008 wants it's memes back.
You blame Covid fatality rate on PM? Why not look at the place of origin for Covid?
Because yesterday covid claimed the lives of 438 people. Thus far, Britain's covid dead number 175,000 including my uncle and my mum. Johnson wants to end restrictions, mostly because of pressure from the Covid Recovery Group, a bunch of hard-right "Libertarians" who want to allow the virus to let rip. These guys don't like science that disagrees with their aims, so they seek to set the narratives themselves.
Why not look at the place of origin for Covid?
Honestly, I don't blame Wuhan's bushmeat market for the loss of my family members, but I do blame our inept government who frequently ignored the science over ideological grounds.
Workaholic successful ex-Brexit minister David Davis quoting the genocidal, slave owning mass murderer Cromwell.
Wasn't the quote referring to when it was used against Chamberlain prior to Churchill? Hence Boris would have fully understood the context
^^ That's what I thought?
I think he has made further statements to the Telegraph though, is it in there?
Honestly, I don’t blame Wuhan’s bushmeat market for the loss of my family members, but I do blame our inept government who frequently ignored the science over ideological grounds
This. Covid hasn't in anyway hurt me as much, I'm sorry to hear of your loss.
Two people are missing from my 'Freinds list' who would probably still be here if it was handled better.
My Oh is 6 months into Long Covid. She caught it a week after it was declared masks weren't needed on public transport anymore.
She was due her second jab a week later.
Coincidence, maybe but maybe not.
Hence Boris would have fully understood the context
I don't think he did get it at all from his reaction. But then his book on churchill was apparently laughable it was so poor.
He got it alright and then lied again pretending he didn't know what DD meant
I’m sorry to hear of your loss.
Thank you.
Two people are missing from my ‘Freinds list’ who would probably still be here if it was handled better.
My Oh is 6 months into Long Covid. She caught it a week after it was declared masks weren’t needed on public transport anymore.
I too am sorry for you losing two of your friends and for having a partner still suffering from long covid. I sincerely hope that your OH recovers very soon.
Our government could do better with regard to mitigating Covid, much, much better. I must confess that I harbour a cold loathing towards those backbenchers who lobby for the removal of covid restrictions. I would love to have the privilege of ten minutes of Steve Baker's private time so that I could explain the depth of my feelings with regard to this matter.
Chewkh?
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Chewkw?
This wee character only ever comes here to troll and will always resort to non-sequitur or gibberish when challenged. That's all he does.
I see all politicians equally as Zombie Maggots regardless. The only different is that some do less damage than others.
Most right-wing voters are now believing this, because the people they voted for have been shown to be utterly crap and corrupt.
This wee character only ever comes here to troll and will always resort to non-sequitur or gibberish when challenged. That’s all he does.
It's not all he does. You can tell when he's doing it because typing / grammar goes out of the window. He can make sensible contributions when he puts his mind to it.
There's a weird inconsistency that I probably shouldn't speculate any further on for fear of typing something I might regret on the morrow.
It’s not all he does. You can tell when he’s doing it because typing / grammar goes out of the window. He can make sensible contributions when he puts his mind to it.
Yep, that trend is not unnoticed. It's almost as if the gibberish is deployed like chaff whenever he's faced with any sort of rational argument.
There’s a weird inconsistency that I probably shouldn’t speculate any further on for fear of typing something I might regret on the morrow.
Yeah.
PJM1974
Free MemberAnd with that, this thread has descended into non-sequitur gibberish. 2008 wants it’s memes back.
I ****ing hate Chewkw's posts. He's a thread vandal. Not even a troll, he's the equivalent of Tox, just endlessly tagging everything with the same repetetive crap that does nothing but make everything uglier.
on the morrow
A turn of phrase not often seen
The trouble with Administrations that start to flounder like this one has is that all their attention is directed to just keeping hold of power. Everything else is secondary to that. Energy prices, cost of living crisis, COVID, idiotic Brexit, all of it is going to be ignored just because one man didn't get on with another man's wife and was sacked, and now wants revenge
idiots.
People vote for Boris because he takes risks or get the job done unlike the “normal” politicians, not perfect but he is also not really tightening the noose on the people.
Well technically people voted for the candidate in their respective constituency. But yes we all understand that the one next to 'Conservative' on the ballot might as well be interchangeable with BJ...
TBH I see no reason to insulate Wakeford from a by-election, but let's not ignore the reason he took this course of action, confidence in the leader and the policies, allegedly he was discussing his defection months ago and had concerns about a couple of policies.
That he's not really distinguished himself up to now for challenges from the back benches, but has crossed the floor a bit of a visible statement perhaps suggests he's not really MP material and/or speaks to the nature of populists once they get a sniff of office...
Wakeford - call me cynical but its nothing to do with policy and everything to do with an attempt to remain an MP after the next election. He knows he has no chance as a tory. As the sitting labour MP he might have a chance but somehow I doubt the local party will just roll over and select him
I share the cynical view on his motives, though the BBC article suggests that he opposed things like cuts to universal credit but was pressured by Whips to vote for it, and it was policies and heavy handed Whips that made him move.
Suspect self interested pragmatism as much as idealism motivated his policy concerns. He'd be getting an easier ride if he'd defied the whips before defecting
Yep, that trend is not unnoticed. It’s almost as if the gibberish is deployed like chaff whenever he’s faced with any sort of rational argument.
There’s a weird inconsistency that I probably shouldn’t speculate any further on for fear of typing something I might regret on the morrow.
Are you saying the PM spends their time on STW?
Wakeford – call me cynical but its nothing to do with policy and everything to do with an attempt to remain an MP after the next election
Dunno, I don't want to use the other 'B' word but it was still a factor in the wave of populism that returned Bozza as PM and Redbrick tory MPs like Wakeford, I can't imagine crossing the floor will save his seat at the next GE. He's hardly an Asset to any party he might join now...
Those constituents that "Voted for Boris" by proxy through Wakeford will just see him as a slippery traitor to the cause. Those who voted for for other candidates will see him as an opportunist trying to jump off the populist train before it crashes. So he's got pretty much no chance now, if he avoids a BE, and Labour were to put him up at the next GE (rather than an actual Labour candidate) I can see them losing Bury South...
Dunno if it's "conviction politics" but the story given on R4 last night was that he approached Labour 4 months ago with issues over the Parliamentary tory party's culture, and policies they'd enacted since coming to power...
Having just googled it his majority at the GE was just 402, He's a been a conservative party member for 20 years so hardly a natural fit for Labour outside of this nonsense with an already marginal seat... He's knackered as an MP either way I reckon...
Boris' fans are giving him a week or so of "breathing space" apparently, but I'd expect some more 'party-gate' or 'cash for chums leaks' before the weekend... Dom must be loving this now.
He’s a been a conservative party member for 20 years so hardly a natural fit for Labour outside of this nonsense with an already marginal seat… He’s knackered as an MP either way I reckon…
To be fair if the guys been a tory member for 20years and decides that's he's made a horrible mistake, kudos to him for walking away. I'd respect someone more who can recognise when they've gone off on the wrong path rather than blind tribal loyality.
To be fair if the guys been a tory member for 20years and decides that’s he’s made a horrible mistake, kudos to him for walking away.
Possibly aside from the fact he showed no signs of standing up for his apparent beliefs when he could have done over the last few months and he has a rather significant paycheck depending on it.
That he also sponsored a bill that MPs should resign and stand in a byelection if they switch parties doesnt really help his case.
Wraggs comments tie in with some of the stuff Wakeford was pleading in the BBC article.
I've seen copies of the whips' apparent shit-list on Twitter which includes Wragg and the supposed 'dirt' they have on him.
It really is the gift that keeps on giving...
TBH I see no reason to insulate Wakeford from a by-election, but let’s not ignore the reason he took this course of action, confidence in the leader and the policies, allegedly he was discussing his defection months ago and had concerns about a couple of policies.
Some of the behaviour by the whips and government is borderline criminal. There were a couple of tweets yesterday suggesting tanks were removed from the MP's lawn or he was off for a walk to Scotland Yard to make a statement supporting a formal criminal complaint.
£5 says Johnson says Martyn Reynolds failed to show him that e-mail and Reynolds is the next fall guy. I've sure he'll be compensated with a cushy job somewhere in return.
I ****ing hate Chewkw’s posts. He’s a thread vandal. Not even a troll, he’s the equivalent of Tox, just endlessly tagging everything with the same repetetive crap that does nothing but make everything uglier.
I enjoy Chewkws posts and like graffiti- I must be a **** 🙂
There is good graffiti and then there is really, really shit graffiti
I can't hate Chewkw, he just isn't nasty enough.
I don't hate chewkw, I just hate his mindless tags. I used to hate some forum posters but I figure even the biggest arseholes have reasons for being the biggest arseholes so I try to empathise. Hate leads to the dark side and frankly I've killed enough kids already.
Back to the present charade: apparently the reason a lot of the new intake of MPs are resisting the call to back Johnson is that they think its going to be a repeat of the Owen Patterson affair, where they are whipped to publicly support a government position that then falls apart, leaving them looking like idiots.
So that would suggest that (probably like most sane people) they don't have an awful lot of confidence that Boris is going to be around for too much longer
I love that so many Tories seem invested in keeping Johnson, it just pours fuel on the dumpster fire
Wragg mentions taking complaints of blackmail to the Met. Don’t waste your time folks…
Wragg mentions taking complaints of blackmail to the Met. Don’t waste your time folks…
Because you don't think there's any criminal offence or because you think the met are in someone's pocket and don't care?
I don't think they are in anyone's pocket but they won't want to get drawn into anything that makes them take a side.
