Of all the things that Boris is, Burlosconi isn’t one of them. The latter is a corrupt criminal who has been in front of a judge for sex offences, bribery and a few other things and is currently under investigation for other various acts of criminality and corruption.
Bojo is just a **** wit.
be interesting to hear their views.
As one of the few on here who will admit to having voted tory in the past and think they're not all the devil incarnate (justine Greening seems mostly reasonable for instance) I'll try and channel a bit of both jamba and thm.
It's a disaster long term but in the short term it's a bit of a coup. He'll push forward with brexit, and he'll simply rely on the fact there is no legal need to do anything to achieve no deal, he can just get on with other stuff (maybe tell Iran Stena Impero was doing something out shouldn't have been, that would fit with past Johnson /Iran interaction) and wait for 31/10 to come around and telling parliament "well you did vote for it [back when you enacted a50]".
Cue a prompt GE with brexit Boris taking massive swathes of labour via from leave constituencies after JC actually had to develop a back bone on 30/10 and say brexit is bad (though clearly what he means is the self same thing he's meant since becoming leader of the opposition: anything the tories ever do is bad, everything Labour does is good, even if its the same thing). Every Farage acolyte will vote tory. 5 more years of Boris on a landslide.
The tories will ride the wave for the next two GE, Labour will flounder and swing harder left to try entice back those who left for the tories and lib dems, lib dems end up as Parliament's second party. By 2030 the tory party is largely dead as its become a single issue party still riven with infighting over Europe when (almost) everyone else has moved on to something else the lib dems become our main right of centre party but the days of majority government become a distant past as the tories go the way of the Liberal Party and slide into obscurity and we end up with a parliament that looks like Italy's.
Long term Boris is the death of the Conservative party precisely because he's exactly what the membership want and why the membership is less than 200k out of over 11mil conservative voters (see KC and momentum though JC hasn't had the opportunity to screw things up properly yet). He's a hail Mary to save the party from its own shadow.
I assume you're being ironic.
Other than the Conservatives imploding I don't see any of those scenarios occurring.
JP
Well, we’re the laughing stock of Europe, nay the world. We might as well put a clown in charge.
Pretty much what I was thinking when I heard the news. He’s Britain’s Trump! I heard a good comment on R4 last week - along the lines of how the West has spent the last 20 something years crowing about winning the Cold War, but what it hasn’t realised is that there’s a rematch, and we’re getting ours arses kicked by Uncle Vlad.
Pretty much what I was thinking when I heard the news. He’s Britain’s Trump! I heard a good comment on R4 last week – along the lines of how the West has spent the last 20 something years crowing about winning the Cold War, but what it hasn’t realised is that there’s a rematch, and we’re getting ours arses kicked by Uncle Vlad.
The irony being that Bojo will be the one who will make this a priority. Fighting the second cold war takes money and long term planning, New Labour were to busy obsessing over terrorists and the conservatives under Cameron and May were obsessed with cutting everything that actively secures us against classic and unconventional threats from other nation states. As much as I loathe most of the Tory party, the rumoured 25 percent increase in military expenditure and 20,000 police extra police officers seems eminently sensible compared to his predecessors. Not to mention the extra educational spending and prioritisation of HS3 - he might actually poach a load of Labour votes.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but he may well be less of an idiot than we all presume and do a better job or at least a more popular job than either Cameron or May.
I don't believe for a second that he unflinchingly believes in the concept that free markets are the answer to everything, unlike his forebears and I think that will probably allow him to act in a more versatile manner politically at home and in terms of our long term geoploitical strategy. He will throw a spanner in the works for Labour under Corbyn, it will force them further left and make them a satire of themselves - just as Trump is doing to the democrats with "The Squad".
I wonder if he’ll replace football with wif waf as our national sport 🤔
a better job or at least a more popular job
Just make sure you don't confuse the two.
I assume you’re being ironic.
Other than the Conservatives imploding I don’t see any of those scenarios occurring.
Depressingly I think that's the least likely part of the whole thing, I was however trying to do my best fanboi.
I don’t believe for a second that he unflinchingly believes in the concept that free markets are the answer to everything
Yes he is rather fond of having the taxpayer cough up for his vanity projects once the free market says no. Shame that his vanity projects all fail but hey he might do better once he has the entire country to play with.
He will throw a spanner in the works for Labour under Corbyn, it will force them further left and make them a satire of themselves
As opposed to the right wing satire we are suffering under now?
The Tories were a satire of themselves under Cameron, they will be dangerous, politically light footed and will take a leaf from Vladislav Surkov under Johnson.
I’m not a fan of Johnson but a lot of you are falling into the same trap whereby people claimed Trump would lose the vast majority of his popularity once president. And Johnson isn’t a Poundland Trump, Trump is a Walmart Boris.
Yes he is rather fond of having the taxpayer cough up for his vanity projects once the free market says no. Shame that his vanity projects all fail but hey he might do better once he has the entire country to play with.
Again, said as someone who is slightly left of centre - is education a vanity project?
That criticism won't work because the left has been harking on about austerity for the past decade, the attacks on Johnsons fiscal irresponsibility look frankly hilarious coming from the left and the Guardian.
Let this all be a lesson, if your side of the political spectrum starts experimenting in populist policies like Labour has been under Corbyn - expect them to be co-opted and turned against you by politically savy opponents.
You all think this is a laughing matter and that it's we're in politically dangerous times because we have a blonde haired buffoon in charge, I think it's worse - I think he is ****ing way more dangerous than any of you give him credit for.
The DUP seem to be ready to twist the screw on the tories for more cash too..
That's the age old problem with bribery and corruption,.. Once you start down that road.. It'll soon become blackmail. What the tories thought was a quick bung for 10 easy commons votes is now starting to look a lot more trixy. Lol!
Again, said as someone who is slightly left of centre – is education a vanity project?
I somewhat doubt that, unless you are only measuring it by the re-calibrated scale in the UK and especially the USA. Which in itself is very dangerous thing to do.
I am also not sure why you are linking to education. The vanity projects are his love of expensive infrastructure projects which have, inevitably, failed. The only successes are those put in place before his time. These are things he should be judged on however, sadly, the hard right press and their apologists will do just what you did and try to divert and confuse (well unless he flips on them at which point it will be open season on him).
Let this all be a lesson, if your side of the political spectrum starts experimenting in populist policies like Labour has been under Corbyn
Your arrogance really is spectacular. As for populist policies given the hard rights love of them in the UK and their pushing of them way before Corbyn got power it is rather curious although typical to blame Corbyn for it.
I think it’s worse – I think he is **** way more dangerous than any of you give him credit for.
Again your arrogance and superiority complex shows though.
As it stands it is unclear what will happen. The one thing that is certain is some of the people he has been making promises to will get screwed over. Thats guaranteed from the different things he has said to different groups.
His primary talent is walking away from the mess he makes,lying and getting away with it and taking credit for others actions.
In fairness he was fairly good at getting some good staff as mayor and letting them do most of the heavy lifting. On the flip side though that might just be his laziness showing through and he cycled through a lot of staff to get to the end bunch and thats not really an option for a PM.
He hasn't become PM by himself. There are some clever people behind him. And no, not ids.
Your arrogance really is spectacular. As for populist policies given the hard rights love of them in the UK and their pushing of them way before Corbyn got power it is rather curious although typical to blame Corbyn for it.
Austerity wasn’t a populist policy. It was remarkably unpopular and was voted for by people who considered themselves sensible old Toties.
The referendum wasn’t conceived as a populist option, it was to heal internal divisions.
The only bit of populism that the Cameron government took part in was Mays obsession with immigration. That was something New Labour indulged themselves is as well.
The spending pledges though are designed to undermine Corbyn and snaffle some of labours voters who are keen to see money spent on them.
Borrowing heavily from the baleful and half-baked ideas of populist theorist Chantel Mouffe – as well as from the Nazi jurist Carl Schmitt – Corbynism’s division of the world into ‘friends’ and ‘enemies’ requires regular heresy hunts in order to sustain itself.
These competing tendencies – in particular Corbynism and Blue Labour – hope to ride the ascendant wave of anti-liberalism for electoral gain. In this they are unwittingly aiding and abetting the very nationalist forces that – in a familiar story – will turn their sights on the workers’ movement once the formal niceties and civility of liberal democracy have been dispensed with
https://unherd.com/2019/01/corbyns-intolerant-populism/
A lot of you aren’t going to be able to come to terms with Binners being right.
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It does make me wonder how our long lost Tory supporters (Jambafacts & THM) feel about the whole fiasco.
I think you'll find that Theresa May has played a blinder and the adults are in charge
A lot of you aren’t going to be able to come to terms with Binners being right.
Reread that and have a think. Anyways can we talk about the person sacked twice for lying, wasting millions on failed infrastructure and screwed up his one ministerial job in this thread rather than the normal turn everything into an attack on Corbyn?
wasting millions on failed infrastructure
To be fair to BJ, every failed/unrealised project is expensive. It's a lot of money upfront for surveys, planning, architects etc on an extension to your house. Scale that up to something like the garden bridge or Borris island, add in the feasibility and impact studies and so on and 50mil is easy to hit. Had the project completed the up front would have been the same but you'd not have noticed it so much because there would be something for the [colossal amounts of] money.
Anyways can we talk about the person sacked twice for lying,
4 times.
🤪
Anyone see the teatime news on CH4/5 where the the farmers being interviewed in the field and
manages to bring up the war and how Boris was the man to unite us.
The mind boggles !!!
(Boris will look after Boris and if your names not Boris I'd watch out as your collateral damage.)
Anyone see the teatime news on CH4/5 where the the farmers being interviewed in the field and
manages to bring up the war and how Boris was the man to unite us.
Slow-mo car-crash becomes seemingly endless nightmare.
The man to unite 'us'?
So many bridges to build, scrap, sell, burn and live beneath. This latest self-serving clown is a bridge to those known unknowns where 'yes' means 'no' and 'no' means 'deal'.
My council have sent me a form to check/update the electoral register...Do they know something we don't? 🙂
Snap Nick
Yes, Bonzo the Clown shall be wearing his big boy trousers for a short term before a general election will usher in a farrago of further fait-accompli, fanned by the furious and fact-free fascists in farm-wear and friends in finance. After a few pints in the Fiddle and Fekkit.
Today's letter is 'F'. Tomorrow's also. Yep, rarely felt so 'united' and by that I mean futile and depressed by the future unfolding. Am normally hugely optimistic.
Just saw a headline touting Farrage as the next US ambassador. I mean, it gets him out of the EU, but really? Really?
My council have sent me a form to check/update the electoral register…Do they know something we don’t? 🙂
Us too, I've got to believe it's a scheduled thing, isn't it? We're in a swing area.
In other news, and thinking only of myself.
This morning I awoke with a start. Considered the path of the £/€ exchange rate in the last 3 years, and quickly ordered our holiday money online before Boris gets to open his mouth as the actual Prime Minister and leader of 65m people.
I know a 'crash' looks bad on TV but in real terms will likely only mean one less round of drinks on Hols for us, but nothing made me think that anything he says or does in the coming weeks is going to help our currency recover.
Us too, I’ve got to believe it’s a scheduled thing, isn’t it?
yeah, every year I think, it's probs. just a weird co-incidence.
I wonder if there have been any studies done to show the inverse proportionality of politicians saying there is absolutely no chance of a snap election (a la Matt Hancock this morning) and the actuality of a snap election occurring...
We’ve booked AI this year so if the worst happens we’ll just stay in the resort.
We’re in a swing area.
I wonder if there have been any studies done to show the inverse proportionality of politicians saying there is absolutely no chance of a snap election (a la Matt Hancock this morning) and the actuality of a snap election occurring…
I don't know about a study, but some things almost seem certain.
"no snap election" = Election
"S/he/they has the full support of the government" = you're on your own mate, resign.
The comparison of the Scottish Sun vs the English/Welsh edition is quite entertaining.
Dominic Cummings confirmed as a "Senior Advisor"
It's going to be worse, much much worse than you thought.
Dominic Cummings confirmed as a “Senior Advisor”
Someone found in contempt of parliament. Thats going to go down well with anyone who isnt a raving brexiteer. Wonder if the tories who dont fall into that category will finally put country before party.
Dominic Cummings? Jesus wept! We really are all truly ****ed!!!
Boris will look after Boris and if your names not Boris I’d watch out as your collateral damage
His name isn't even Boris, its Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
The referendum wasn’t conceived as a populist option, it was to heal internal divisions.
I disagree. It was at the very least a bit of a gambit to try and play to the right wingers
The only bit of populism that the Cameron government took part in was Mays obsession with immigration.
who are obsessed with immigration. I don't think you can separate the two so clearly as you are trying to here.
Austerity wasn’t a populist policy. It was remarkably unpopular
To the folk who are not reliant on public services, Austerity was pretty popular, and seen as "necessary" and "prudent"
Dominic Cummings? Jesus wept! We really are all truly ****ed!!!
He's clearly no fan of the ERG-nutters... 🙂
"Those of you in the narcissist-delusional subset of the ERG who have spent the last three years scrambling for the 8.10 Today slot while spouting gibberish about trade and the law across SW1 – i.e exactly the contemptible behaviour that led to your enforced marginalisation during the referendum and your attempt to destroy Vote Leave – you are also in the pirate category. You were useful idiots for remain during the campaign and with every piece of bullshit from Bill Cash et al you have helped only Remain for three years. Remember how you WELCOMED the backstop as a ‘triumph’ in December 2017 when it was obvious to everybody who knew what was going on – NOT the cabinet obviously – that this effectively ended the ‘negotiations’? Remember how Bernard Jenkin wrote on ConHome that he didn’t have to ‘ruin his weekend’ reading the document to know it was another success for the natural party of government — bringing to mind very clearly how during the referendum so many of you guys were too busy shooting or skiing or chasing girls to do any actual work. You should be treated like a metastasising tumour and excised from the UK body politic."
To the folk who are not reliant on public services, Austerity was pretty popular, and seen as “necessary” and “prudent”
In 2010 *everyone* thought Austerity was “necessary” and “prudent”. All the parties were advocating cuts to reduce the deficit.
Probably because it was/is “necessary”.
The whole argument against lowering debt is that Keynesian stimulus can be used as some kind magic wand to generate growth regardless of the situation. If it was then why would there ever be recessions in any country? Every country could just spend their way out.
The referendum wasn’t conceived as a populist option, it was to heal internal divisions.
The *only* reason for the Ref was to shoot Ukip's fox.
In 2010 *everyone* thought Austerity was “necessary” and “prudent”. All the parties were advocating cuts to reduce the deficit.
Nope everyone did not think that. The hard right wanted it to push an ideological position.
The libdems orange book lot wanted the same for the same reason.
Some of Labour wanted it for the same reason and others felt forced into it due to the torrent of propaganda from the hard right press.
The problem is most of those "cost savings" are counter productive. Dont invest in housing and you end up with bigger bills down the road. Same with investment in infrastructure.
Cummings is actually the best* appointment that Boris has made in the last 24 hours. He may have been the driving force behind the devious tactics used to deliver a Leave victory, but TBH he's more interested in the mechanics of winning than who he's actually fighting for. The quote above shows a refreshing level of contempt for the ERG and a lack of arse-kissing.
It should be a warning shot to Labour that it needs to do its homework ready for a dirty election battle at any moment.
The rest of the selection of shits in the main cabinet posts are depressing though.
*best for Boris and the Tories, that is. Perhaps 'smartest' is a better word.
Point of order from the previous page: Jambalaya hasn't been banned, he seemingly stopped posting of his own volition.
<mod> It's poor form to criticise people like THM who no longer have right of reply. Kindly desist. </mod>
Point of order from the previous post...
It’s poor form to criticise people like THM who no longer have right of reply. Kindly desist.
Fair enough....but
Jambalaya hasn’t been banned, he seemingly stopped posting of his own volition.
So, by that rationale, Jamba's fair game as he could reply if he wanted?
