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The ‘EU Army’ is
nothing more thanthewetdream of France, Germany andBrexiteers who need an easy soundbite to attack thelarger EU.
Based on me crystal ball their dream may come true which is scary ...
I know it’s hard to resist, I’m worse than most for falling for his ducking games, but please, do not feed the troll.
I know it’s hard to resist, I’m worse than most for falling for his ducking games, but please, do not feed the troll.
It's odd that he's kept it going for so long and still isn't bored.
It’s odd that he’s kept it going for so long and still isn’t bored.
Not odd if you appreciate the needs and mentality of the typical troll.
Killfile.
Why is Cummings now the defacto deputy PM?
Who elected him?
Why is Cummings now the defacto deputy PM?
Who elected him?
Look, the British people voted very clearly for powerful unelected bureaucrats. Why do you hate democracy?
i just had to google the spelling of bureaucrats 🙁
Politico London Playbook has daily write a ups about the de facto PM Cummings threatening the Spads with dire consequences if anyone leaks stuff to the press.
Seems he has sidelined the civil servants and brought in a load of Spads to carry out the juntas plans away from prying eyes.
SpAd jihad: The most fun article of yesterday came via BuzzFeed’s Alex Wickham, who has a full read-out of Cummings’ big Monday morning meeting with his new SpAd army. One aide memorably describes his interventions over the past two weeks as a “jihad on SpAds.” The Times’ Steven Swinford also has the deets, and it’s comedy stuff — not least because Cummings’ main aim appears to have been to clamp down on, erm, leaks. Cummings apparently even claimed lobby hacks would reveal their best SpAd sources to him in return for a decent story. “My worth to journalists is far greater than yours,” Cummings apparently said. “For the right story they will rat you out.”
Lolz: No they won’t. Journalists do not reveal their sources, ever. They certainly don’t trade them for tips from government officials. This is not a thing, SpAds. Fear not.
Journalists do not reveal their sources, ever.
You mean apart from the ones that did that at The Sunday Times? ( https://www.private-eye.co.uk/street-of-shame).
After reading a lot of this behaviour, I would say that honest journalists do not reveal sources.
SpAds
Say whut?
: No they won’t. Journalists do not reveal their sources, ever. They certainly don’t trade them for tips from government officials.
In 1950 maybe, these days the number of [s] journalists [/s] people who work in news who've shared a lift with integrity, let alone have their own is significantly smaller than those who'd sell their own children for a front page
Cummings is simply sounding desperate if thats true
Even if they squeeze a no deal brexit through before an election (which seems very likely at the moment) theres absolutely no certainty that johnson will win an election, especially if theres disruption & manufacturing chaos after no deal.
Spads = special advisors
These are unelected bureaucrats, but obviously not those horrid EU unelected ones, but our own glorious ones that they told us we could have loads of once we left. If you don't remember that happening, Dominic Rabb will be along in a minute to glare at you menacingly until you do
theres absolutely no certainty that johnson will win an election, especially if theres disruption & manufacturing chaos after no deal
Beyond having put a few quid on it at Ladbroke I can't see that Cummings could care less. His interest in Boris is purely down to Boris being a tool.
Why is Cummings now the defacto deputy PM?
Who elected him?
Nobody. Very similar to who elected the actual PM.
Spads = special advisors
Ah.
I miss the days when things had an actual name.
It is actually now a game of chicken withe two vehicles at either end of a runway with both drivers about to floor it towards each other, head on
The problem with that being that they're in a fully loaded artic, while Boris is in a little clown car that the doors keep falling off
The game of chicken analogy is slightly off. Boris (and the whole country) are jammed in a clapped out Yugo going flat out. The EU are at home chillin' to some tunes, no need for shows of machismo.
Yet somehow Boris will still manage to crash.
Boris, as PM, crashes UK out of EU.
Boris, with Brexit pals, strong arms "emergency" trade deal with US that give the US ALL the cards.
Boris quits after first term/booted out.
Boris goes home.
Levers are pulled, buttons are pushed, some palms crossed.
Boris begins journey to become US president.
After all, what could be more American than a boy from the Upper East Side of Manhattan?
Boris, with Brexit pals, strong arms “emergency” trade deal with US that give the US ALL the cards.
I don't think there's any trade deal to be done with between UK USA in which the USA doesn't hold all the cards*, emergency or otherwise.
*Admittedly I can imagine Borris trying to play big stakes poker with his favourite pokemon cards.
I see Cummings - the Uncle Duke of No10 - has challenged Grieve over VONC.
While parliament is in recess they have a clear run at getting all the headlines and strutting their stuff. Roll on 3 September.
Another interesting take on Uncle Duke the voice in Johnsons head.
If you thought a Labour government would be bad prepare to be transformed.
https://www.politico.eu/article/inside-the-mind-of-boris-johnsons-right-hand-man/
In Cummings’ grand vision, the U.K. would take on “a central role in tackling humanity’s biggest problems and shaping the new institutions, displacing the EU and UN, that will emerge as the world makes painful transitions in coming decades.”
Is he 14 years old?
He will have to tho at some point he will lose a confidence vote.
I see he's throwing 100 million at the prisons.
Expecting a big riot, I guess.
He will have to tho at some point he will lose a confidence vote.
And thanks to JC insisting earlier in the week that Labour wouldn't support a tory no confidence motion so he can launch his own plan of a coup we're stuck with Bo Jo.
I don't think I'm the only one who thinks he wouldn't go.
And thanks to JC insisting Labour wouldn’t support a tory no confidence motion
What? cite please
#10 still punting the £350 mil for NHS thing, from that link:
"There is a clear choice: Either Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister who will overrule the referendum and wreck the economy, or Boris Johnson as prime minister who will respect the referendum and deliver more money for the NHS and more police on our streets.
Also, tractor production will be increased.
He will defiantly deliver more police in the street, he is going to need them to enforce his rule. There will probably be special squads deployed by the information ministry to eradicate non believers.
Actually they won't be the police, the police so far isn't a profitable section of public expenditure, more like private security services in brown shirts enforcing his political rhetoric and streaming public money into his rich buddies bank accounts.
Actually they won’t be the police, the police so far isn’t a profitable section of public expenditure, more like private security services in brown shirts enforcing his political rhetoric and streaming public money into his rich buddies bank accounts.
Maybe they should try and recruit from disillusioned Momentum blackshirts?
What? cite please
From the guardian - I can't quickly find a link to the story from earlier in the week but as I heard it, he flatly refused to support the suggestion of a national unity govt. (proposed by tory backbenchers) led by a centrist.
His letter threw down the gauntlet to the Lib Dems, the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and rebel Tories, at a time when MPs opposed to no deal have been discussing a “national unity government” led by a centrist figure.
Corbyn’s proposal makes it clear that the Labour frontbench consider he is the only politician who could lead a caretaker government, rather than a backbench candidate such as Tory veteran Ken Clarke or Labour’s Yvette Cooper.
His brother is advising how foreign investors can clean up in the forthcoming fire sale.
These ****ers should be put against a wall and shot.
<img src="http:// https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/24/johnson-seeks-legal-advice-parliament-closure#img- 1" alt=
"Who needs beignets when I've got buns like these?" />
Johnsons delusions of grandeur coming to the fore ?
https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1166618675803303939?s=19
Queen asked to suspend parliament
So, in the interests of democracy, a man elected by a few hundred people will deny the people elected by the whole country to represent them the right to debate one of the biggest issues this country has faced. All I can say is thank fk I'm leaving
EDIT and for those looking for a silver lining, here's one. The Working Times Directive will no longer apply so although a doctor who's been working for 20 hours without a break might mistakenly prescribe the wrong drug there's unlikely to be any of that drug for you to take.
Its worth remembering Johnsons words about an PM who hasnt led the government into an election.
“It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.”
So Johnson admitting to being undemocratic by his own standards there.
So he has now gone from "pure fanny" to " fud"
he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people
Just over 17M people voted to leave. Just over 31M people voted in the last general election. I'm looking forward to someone explaining how denying the elected representatives of those 31M people the right to challenge this is in any way "democratic".
PM Boris knows that if he does not go for a No Deal then Conversation Party will be history.
In the meantime let's wait and see if PM Boris got the guts to go for No Deal. 😀
How does the killfile work?
How does the killfile work?
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I highly recommend it in fact.
Just over 17M people voted to leave. Just over 31M people voted in the last general election. I’m looking forward to someone explaining how denying the elected representatives of those 31M people the right to challenge this is in any way “democratic”.
Oh, I explained this in the Big Thread. Language has been redefined.
Post-referendum, "democratic" means "anything that the leavers want or agree with" and similarly "undemocratic" is disagreeing with them. Neither of these words have had any relation to actual representative democracy in the last three years beyond being a homonym.
“anything that the leavers want or agree with”
Which has been continuously redefined throughout that period of time, so something that might have been "democratic" three years ago is now "undemocratic".
Just over 17M people voted to leave. Just over 31M people voted in the last general election.
80pc of those 31M people voted for parties with 'Leave' in their manifesto. Personally, I thought outcome of the referendum was pretty inconclusive - pretty much 50-50.
The election was emphatic. The vast majority voted for a leave party.
no they didn't,
and there it is, again. ffs.
Sorry, remind me which party was a realistic anti-Brexit choice at that election?
80pc of those 31M people voted for parties with ‘Leave’ in their manifesto.
but how many voted for no deal?
and as I pointed out earlier where does the tory manifesto mention no deal?
https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto
Exit the European single market and customs union but seek a "deep and special partnership" including comprehensive free trade and customs agreement
Vote in both Houses of Parliament on "final agreement" for Brexit
Assess whether to continue with specific European programmes and it "will be reasonable that we make a contribution" to the ones which continue
Agree terms of future partnership with EU alongside withdrawal, both within the two years allowed under Article 50
Convert EU law into UK law and later allow parliament to pass legislation to "amend, repeal or improve" any piece of this
Remain signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights for the next parliament
Repeal or replace the Human Rights Act "while the process of Brexit is under way" ruled out, although consideration will be given to the UK's "human rights legal framework" when Brexit concludes
Reduce and control immigration from Europe after Brexit
Seek to replicate all existing EU free trade agreements
Support the ratification of trade agreements entered into during our EU membership
Introduce a Trade Bill in the next parliament
Create a network of Her Majesty's Trade Commissioners to head nine new regional overseas posts
Reconvene the Board of Trade to increase exports from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as England.
Sorry, remind me which party was a realistic anti-Brexit choice at that election?
Good question. Who did the 20pc vote for?
EDIT: Scratch that, seems to be one for the EU thread, I don't want to derail the Boris thread. (...and I'm desperately trying to stay out of the politics threads.)
So when is the next election?
Johnsons move today implies he wants it soon to maximise his BXP party vote reclamation
but at the same time this is bad news for the Tories in Scotland & a gift to the SNP
https://twitter.com/KirstyStricklan/status/1166664808848080902
if the tories lost their seats in scotland even with the current polls theyd lose their majority
I can't help hoping this is all some elaborate plan on boris' part to force a VoNC on the 3rd so he can extricate the cons from having to deliver brexit, blame Labour/LD/anyone-but-boris so as to ensure he still looks like the second coming to all the true believers.
I really do hope BJ is a machiavellian genius and we've just never noticed before.
if the tories lost their seats in scotland even with the current polls theyd lose their majority
That's a big if, Scotland might have been majority remain but it was far from unanimous still, even then the tories will be looking to pick up seats elsewhere, their seats in Scotland are a nice little bonus but Scotland is hardly their main bastion of support.
I'll be honest though, coming 2nd in a GE sounds like a bigger prize than first at the moment.
if the tories lost their seats in scotland even with the current polls theyd lose their majority
Yeah, but I don't think anyone forsees a bright future for the Tory party. The very best they can hope for is embarrasing wafer thin majorities until momentum lose their grip on Labour. More likely is oblivion. No money, no activists.
As said above, if there's an Autumn election second place is looking like a victory to me.
if the tories lost their seats in scotland even with the current polls theyd lose their majority
Easily restored with a Section 30 order, and we know the core Tory support will be happy to see Scotland go to ensure an English Brexit.
It's come as absolutely no surprise to discover that Boris is pro-rogering.
That's why no one know how many children he has.
My parents are pretty keen leavers, from Scotland.
I was speaking to my dad and he says he has noone to vote for any more.
He used to vote SNP because he wants Scottish independence. But now can't as they are so Pro-EU and also because they have changed the top rate of income tax which is costing him (he's a high earner)
Can't vote Labour because Corbyn is too left wing (my dad is pretty centrist in his politics, maybe a bit right as he's got older).
Won't vote Tory because he hates everything they stand for/have done in Scotland in the past -he grew up in a shipbuilding area that didn't fare well with Thatcher etc.
I guess he'd probably vote Brexit party, but they haven't fielded candidates up here.. yet.
But you can kind of see why their one policy manifesto works - it doesn't have any baggage to someone who really wants to leave the EU as priority #1
One positive from this mornings request for parliament to be suspended though is it does effectively close the door on a legislative approach that [currently] doesn't really exist.
Inadvertently I'm sure, but by attempting to bypass parliament and democracy BJ has prevented what would have been either a significant waste of time by the opposition parties or a huge constitutional problem had they manged to get bercow to allow them to ammend a standing order 24 call for an emergency debate.
It does very much force everyone else's hand to a VoNC, so now they just need to play nicely for a few weeks...
Anyone swap me a carrot for my lb of £notes?
Just for info - post leaving we'll be so desperate for trade deals, we'll cosy up to the Trumpet and accept their food standards. And here they are the fda's list of acceptable food contaminants - maggots, rodent hairs and excreta, insect parts. Awesome - where do vegans stand on rat hairs in their chocolate?
And here they are the fda’s list of acceptable food contaminants – maggots, rodent hairs and excreta, insect parts
Yeah definitely, there's nothing so pressing as 0.012 grams of aphid on your whole broccoli.
As well as potentially losing the 12 MPs that Davidson won for the Tories and their slender majority
Johnson has put a lot of Tories on the spot tonight
Check.The full thread
https://twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1166767408943632384
I said they were rogues.
I really do hope BJ is a machiavellian genius and we’ve just never noticed before.
I had at one time a glimmer of hope that May was the same.... But no.
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The electronic equivalent to sticking fingers in your ears and going "la la la! I can't hear you".
Don't really get blocking people because of their views. Like on Twitter where I see loads of people who on reading anything don't agree with they block that person and just to make their point they post "You're blocked!".
Don't like their views, move on. Don't need to engage, and don't even have to feel hate or anger towards them. They may be decent people even if you don't agree on some things. Plenty of friends write absolute garbage (and I do likewise), but they're still my friends.
2 very well supported petitions out there to get LyingBloHard out of office.
Just google em’ add your support if you fancy a job/keeping a job after October.
if you fancy a job/keeping a job after October.
There'll be plentiful work after 31st October. We can't be the worlds sweatshop without creating a couple of million "pound a day" jobs.
We can’t be the worlds sweatshop without creating a couple of million “pound a day” jobs.
Hate to say it but not sure they want it as a sweatshop as such as opposed to a low tax/regulation hideyhole for the financial sector.
The electronic equivalent to sticking fingers in your ears and going “la la la! I can’t hear you”.
Don’t really get blocking people because of their views. Like on Twitter where I see loads of people who on reading anything don’t agree with they block that person and just to make their point they post “You’re blocked!”.
Don’t like their views, move on. Don’t need to engage, and don’t even have to feel hate or anger towards them. They may be decent people even if you don’t agree on some things. Plenty of friends write absolute garbage (and I do likewise), but they’re still my friends.
There is a difference between listening to a coherent argument that disagrees with my own position, and just having a stream of nonsense and lies repeatedly crammed into incoherent statements. I am quite happy to listen to the former, but would rather block the later.
Anyone unfortunate enough to read one of checkw's (and some others posts) is like standing next to someone who has stuck their fingers in their ears and is yelling la la la at the top of their voice. It is those who are blocking the discussion not those of us who choose to ignore them.
Can't say I get worked up about it. Just a bike forum with a load of nonsense at times and got better things to do (like ride bikes 😁).
The electronic equivalent to sticking fingers in your ears and going “la la la! I can’t hear you”.
Don’t really get blocking people because of their views. Like on Twitter where I see loads of people who on reading anything don’t agree with they block that person and just to make their point they post “You’re blocked!”.
I agree with the above, it's not to block those who disagree with you it's to block those who just make noise with no real point like chewk. Binners is heading that way on the EU thread. It get's tedius. Not that I can be bothered to work out how a killfile works so am stuck with scrolling past.
The Killfile on here has a major advantage, though.
The troll doesn’t know whether or not you have Killfiled them.
There is no point doing what the post above said on Twitter i.e. blocking someone then telling them you have done it. That is the troll’s oxygen, they have the reaction and they know not to waste their time further.
Much better to install it on the quiet, so the troll wastes their time thinking you can still see their bullshit. Maybe unblock them for a bit, bite back once, then re-block. That way they waste their energy a bit more before realizing you aren’t seeing any of it. If this level of uncertainty can become very prevalent (if enough people do it), it will literally drive them crazy.
Trolls are just attention seekers. They crave the reaction and the engagement to fill the gaps they have in their offline lives. Deny them the oxygen and/or even better, make them waste their own oxygen too.
Killfile is good. Killfile-induced uncertainty is even better.
Anyway, back to the plot. What's the strongest swear word I can use on here to show my distain for Boris?
There is no point doing what the post above said on Twitter i.e. blocking someone then telling them you have done it. That is the troll’s oxygen, they have the reaction and they know not to waste their time further.
You can just mute someone on Twitter if that's your concern. Blocking means they can't see your posts while logged in, or at all if you protect your account.
Anyway, all this no deal rubbish has started me seriously looking into what I need to do to get Spanish citizenship. Which will no doubt mean many fees, paperwork, and time wasted 🙁
Anyway, back to the plot. What’s the strongest swear word I can use on here to show my distain for Boris?
Just try a few
****, tosser, ****er, bastard, ****er
Not very strong then....
Today, I feel the need to go full Godwin and point out that Hitler loved his dogs. If you’ve seen/read any news this morning you’ll know why I’m mentioning this.
The government has no majority now. Even with the DUP. Johnson is likely to be the PM with the shortest tenure in history. He deserves that accolade.
Could be the only modern PM never to attend PMQ's. All I have for him is contempt, utter contempt. #notinmyname
The government has no majority now. Even with the DUP. Johnson is likely to be the PM with the shortest tenure in history. He deserves that accolade.
Better still he could have a long reign passing everyone else's legislation as they ammend everything to death but won't give him a GE. See how many times we can get "boris is a bawbag" on the statues?
Better still he could have a long reign passing everyone else’s legislation as they ammend everything to death but won’t give him a GE. See how many times we can get “boris is a bawbag” on the statues?
Now that would be hillarious.
There needs to be a Blue Plaque put up opposite his house to remind him of his success on a daily basis.