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Thats looking at education just as passing exams
That's what state secondary schools are like now… and primary schools have been moving that way as well. Thanks Govey.
I was wondering whether the "on off on off" nature of his campaigning is a sign that he's bipolar ?
No, just try to exert control over the whole process, by picking and choosing when and where to appear, and who with. It makes him look like he has a power that the other candidate(s) do not… and a powerful leader is what his followers want.
No, just try to exert control over the whole process
I think there is also a lot of conflict within his team between whether he should be allowed to be himself or kept hidden away. With influence switching from side to side depending on the headlines.
interesting thought about boris talking about buses
twitter link to images
24 hours ago, if you Googled “Boris Bus” or checked out a #BorisBus hashtag you’d get the photo of him in front of the bus with the “We give £350m per week to the EU, Let’s spend that on the NHS” lie on it.
There's been a bit written by him about arguments which goes to show how clever & dangerous he is. While everyone is having a laugh or saying WTF... he's cooly calculating.
There's been much speculation about the bizarre interview with Boris Johnson yesterday, in which he rambled incoherently about painting model buses. The most likely explanation is that he was throwing a "dead cat" into the conversation. He described how this works in a 2013 article:
"Let us suppose you are losing an argument. The facts are overwhelmingly against you, and the more people focus on the reality the worse it is for you and your case.
"Your best bet in these circumstances is to perform a manoeuvre that a great campaigner describes as 'throwing a dead cat on the table, mate'.
"That is because there is one thing that is absolutely certain about throwing a dead cat on the dining room table – and I don’t mean that people will be outraged, alarmed, disgusted.
"That is true, but irrelevant. The key point, says my Australian friend, is that everyone will shout 'Jeez, mate, there’s a dead cat on the table!'; in other words they will be talking about the dead cat, the thing you want them to talk about, and they will not be talking about the issue that has been causing you so much grief."
all part of the plan EDIT, beaten by seconds!
anagallis_arvensis
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Bizarre you would think that
Bizarre that you claim otherwise. The article you linked to is about "who takes top jobs", it's not about educational advantages at all.
The really bizarre bit, is that you apparently understand this going by your own words, and yet claim otherwise.
"Why do people send kids to privste schools if not to gain an advantage in getting into a top uni and top job."
ie, not educational advantages.
“Why do people send kids to privste schools if not to gain an advantage in getting into a top uni and top job.”
ie, not educational advantages.
Do uni's not educate these days? Do uni's not choose those with better educational attainment anymore?
The article you linked to is about jobs not about education. None of your flapping about changes that. If you've read it, you know this. If you've not... Either way, why am I wasting my time with you?
Do uni’s not educate these days? Do uni’s not choose those with better educational attainment anymore?
Education comes in many forms. For example I give a nod of salute to the pupil having an off day who is a young carer looking after an ill parent whilst ensuring that their siblings are suitably dressed and their teeth are clean before ensuring they themselves are suitably ready for school. I would like to have somebody tell me their education is not up to an acceptable level. Education is about FAR more than the A grades that appear on a certificate that universities deem acceptable. There is a world of experience contained within what will soon be Boris Johnson's domain that I would consider an education well beyond his comprehension!
Boarding schools used to be about severing boys from their family ties, replacing them with old school ties, and preparing them for roles like District Commissioner in the colonies. Now they're about socially engineering kids into universities and the professions but with similar damaging psychological consequences. Much has been written about Boris's dysfunctional origins.
The article you linked to is about jobs not about education
It talks about jobs and education
The study, Elitist Britain, looked at the schools and universities attended by 5,000 high achievers at the top of business, politics, the media, public organisations, creative industries and sport.
Schools and universities they educate dont they? You really have lost me on this one....
Education comes in many forms
Totally agree. But I am pretty sure Etonians get a much better formal education, on you know exams and shit. The fees at a local to me private day school are in the order of 21k a year whilst a comparable local secondary will be lucky to get 6k a year per pupil funding. The private school kids also get far more opportunities to develop all those soft skills that state secondary schools just cannot afford.
Just a random thought around this "education isn't just grades" argument,
Are we arguing against public schools in favour of a system which produces kids who grow up to have a Facebook profile which lists their education as "school of hard knocks" and "university of life"? Cos my anecdotal experience of such people is that's not something to be lauded. They'd have been far better off at "school of learning some words" and "university of not being racist."
I'd challenge the 'better education' line. The vast majority of public school pupils sit Cambridge International exams, which are not allowed in the state schools. Cambridge International AS grades feeds into A2, pupils are allowed to resit AS (both abolished in state schools by Gove) and the Cambridge A2 is easier than the state school equivalents. Where I live it seems like half the non-waged population trot off to the local public school to be invigilators because so many of the parents have paid for assessments to allow their kids to sit exams in rooms of their own, extra time etc etc on the basis of some sort of special needs.
My step son was appalled by the nonsense confidently spouted by ex-public school students in tutorials and on ward rounds when he studied medicine. I quizzed the ex-head of science from the local public school about this. Apparently they encourage them to give confident answers, even when they are unsure or don't know, to reveal what they don't know. This can result in confidence seeming like competence, not what you would want in a medical (or political or banking or...) context but it gives a good impression. Chuck in a bit of Latin and Jo Public is led to believe they're a Master of the Universe, like Boris.
Oh and the challenges from schools to A level marking is exactly like the league tables of schools, Eton comes top and so on. When a school enters a lot of pupils for an exam board plus the significance of the school's status, exam boards can and do become a bit more flexible over how grading criteria are applied.
While everyone is having a laugh or saying WTF… he’s cooly calculating.
It is a favourite tactic of Lynton. However his success seems less than clear recently.
The flaw in it being a master strategy is a)it brought attention back to those claims and b)the bus claims really wouldnt upset the people he is appealing to c)he is on record as doing something similar in the past.
So I would go with (as the Guardian sketch put it) he realised answering "shagging" wasnt an appropriate response to and so went for plan b trying to link it back to when he saved the world as the mayor.
Yet again, consequences are something that happen to other people.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1143852787039723520
Apparently they encourage them to give confident answers, even when they are unsure or don’t know, to reveal what they don’t know. This can result in confidence seeming like competence, not what you would want in a medical (or political or banking or…) context but it gives a good impression.
Girl I used to work with was terrible (and hilarious) for doing that. Her best one was just casually dropping in to a conversation that Mandarin was her first language (she had grown up as an expat in Singapore). Further pressing on this revealed she could no longer speak a word of it, but it was the first one she learned/was taught. She also believed that public schools produced a ‘better sort of person’. She had no qualifications as she failed all her GCSEs, but its ok, as that wasn’t her fault. She’s had four jobs in the two years since leaving us (she handed her notice in the day before her final disciplinary meeting, saying she’d been head hunted by a customer. I still chuckle at that now)
Yet again, consequences are something that happen to other people.
I am sure Rees-Moggs and his fellow brexshiteers will be lining up to condemn this.
There does seem to be a habit in the hard right press currently to go on full out fishing expeditions on anyone who dares to challenge the anointed ones. I can only assume it is intended to put people off saying anything.
Don't private schools do different A levels (which their staff just happen to write the questions for) to state schools?
All above board, of course.
anagallis_arvensis
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It talks about jobs and education
Aye, fine, you can win the silly word game on the internet, it's obviously important.
Aye, fine, you can win the silly word game on the internet, it’s obviously important.
Still have no idea what you are going on about tbh. You seem a bit upset though.
throwing a dead cat on the table
And what a waste of time making all those model buses was, when it seems all that was needed was a segue into the merit of a private education.
Turns out there's 102 (103 if derailing internet threads is different to derailing difficult interviews)
And what a waste of time making all those model buses was
Not at all, the bus bollocks served another, very specific purpose.
Click bait headline, but basically all this talk of boris making busses has changed google search results for ‘boris bus’ to show that interview/waffle, rather than the lies he painted on the side of a real one.
don't buy it, just brings boris and bus together and the £350M back to the fore again. It's Never going to swamp the thousands of £350M bus images that are linked too. they are always going to crop up on a search. The first image on Boris Bus search is "Sadiq Khan axes new Boris Bus"
Loads of nonsense written about public/boarding schools here.
I’ve taught in most sectors - state, independent, FE and HE, and my wife works at a public school, so I think I have a fairly broad view of the education sector.
Most of the assumptions here are based on outdated notions of the independent education sector. Similarly, much of the research is either outdated or is extremely partisan; social science and education academics often approach their research from a less than impartial viewpoint. (Before I get lambasted for this, I should point out that I worked in the HE sector for over a decade and saw this sort of thing firsthand, both through my job and my education postgrads.)
When my daughter reaches secondary school age, I think either send her to a state school with 30 in a class, or my wife’s school with 12. I can’t see any reason to pick the former.
JP
When my daughter reaches secondary school age, I think either send her to a state school with 30 in a class, or my wife’s school with 12. I can’t see any reason to pick the former.
#Metoo
However Mrs Anagallis works at a girls school and we have a son....arse.
Don't send her to boarding school. If you genuinely can't stand her and don't want her around, put her up for adoption.
Being sent to boarding school will confuse her. On the one hand she'll be getting told that her parents love her so much they've invested all this money in her education but in the back of her mind there will always be this nagging suspicion she was sent away because Mummy and Daddy don't like her.
Putting her up for adoption will be an unambiguous statement about how you feel about her and will allow her to start rebuilding her life straight away. The risks of turning into a Boris Johnson will be greatly reduced.
The risks of turning into a Boris Johnson will be greatly reduced.
Could become a Michael Gove though.
Swings and roundabouts.
Could become a Michael Gove though.
Swings and roundabouts.
Whatever you do don't let her grow up in Aberdeen!
Being sent to boarding school will confuse her. On the one hand she’ll be getting told that her parents love her so much they’ve invested all this money in her education but in the back of her mind there will always be this nagging suspicion she was sent away because Mummy and Daddy don’t like her.
Not being sent to boarding school will confuse her. On the one hand she’ll be getting told that her parents love her so much they want to live with her, on the other hand there will always be this nagging suspicion she wasn't sent away because Mummy and Daddy don’t like her enough to invest all this money in her education.
According to your logic, both options lead to exactly the same confusion.
I can’t see any reason to pick the former.
Because (look around you) social division reinforced by our school systems isn't working out well for the UK, even if it does work to the advantage of those that can choose a route not available to most others.
Not being sent to boarding school will confuse her. On the one hand she’ll be getting told that her parents love her so much they want to live with her, on the other hand there will always be this nagging suspicion she wasn’t sent away because Mummy and Daddy don’t like her enough to invest all this money in her education.
Both options lead to exactly the same confusion.
Are you a human being or some sort of bot? You seem to be having some problems understanding human emotions.
the independent education sector
since when? Public school pupils get a larger per capita tax subsidy than state school per capita spend. No business taxes (unlike state schools), no VAT. Their 'charitable status' is generally derived from giving subsidised places to the children of their teachers.
However Mrs Anagallis works at a girls school and we have a son….arse.
Crikey! I thought my parents were mean naming me Colin.
Crikey! I thought my parents were mean naming me Colin
I imagine a girls boarding school would be a wonderful place to be a teenage boy.
I'm pretty sure it would ruin your worldview forever though
Crikey! I thought my parents were mean naming me Colin.
actually Muttley & Johnson look similar
one hand she’ll be getting told that her parents love her so much they want to live with her
Interesting angle on parenting there.
Interesting angle on parenting there.
I can't take the credit for it. BruceWee came up with the yinyan. I merely highlighted the yan of his yin.
More importantly, colp wins the internet today.
Because (look around you) social division reinforced by our school systems isn’t working out well for the UK, even if it does work to the advantage of those that can choose a route not available to most others.
True enough however every right thinking parent wants to give their child the best start possible, so whilst I dont like our system I'd send my son, arse😁, to a private school if I could and dont criticise others for doing so on an individual basis.
However Mrs Anagallis works at a girls school and we have a son….arse.
Crikey! I thought my parents were mean naming me Colin.
I actually named him Sue so he could get in her school but they saw through it and now I'm just left with gravel in my guts and spit in my eye!
BruceWee came up with the yinyan
Ah, but his made sense.
Whatever you do don’t let her grow up in Aberdeen!
nah, send her to a boarding school in Aberdeen - that should fk her up forever
Funny but I googled Boris bus to see what would happen and the top results were about the "Boris Bus Conspiracy" - this was the top, the next few were all on the same theme or about the real bus farce.
Bus arse talks bus farce