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Thats because it is true - yes its a generalisation - but there is no doubt at all boarding schools damage people and that the much vaunted educational advantages are simply not there.
What the actual f*** is Boris on about in that video above?
He seemed genuinely demented?
He seemed genuinely demented?
I don't think he is.
I think the whole think is the Tory elite, taking the piss out of the electorate. "let's see if the mugs will let us install Boris as PM and we will do it with him acting as a complete buffoon."
That bus thing has to be a piss take. These people don't go into interviews unprepared. Everything is carefully managed. Remember Cameron's Desert Island Discs?
but there is no doubt at all boarding schools damage people
Another sweeping generalisation there tj. I went to a grant aided LEA boarding school and I'm perfectly normal. No ongoing psychological problems, at least none that the nurses tell me about. It might have helped if it had been a boys' school and not a girls' but hey-ho the uniform still fits I still get wolf-whistles from the builders on the site over the road.
and that the much vaunted educational advantages are simply not there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333
“all boarding schools damage people”
All TJ? All? You’ve knowledge of ALL of
them?....
How many ex-boarders do you actually know??
Your sweeping statements & deliberate ambiguity is starting to grate..
🙄
Now read the bit you left out.
Now work out why it doesn't make sense.
Stop shit quoting.
Deny the evidence chaps - its completely true. You may not like it but the practice of the upper classes sending their children to boarding schools damages the children. Yes some will come out of it OK and some schools will be better than others but overall boarding schools damage children.
Read up on it.
As for the educational advantage - again the research shows it is not there. Take a state school pupil and an etonian with the same exam results at school - ON AVERAGE the state school pupil will outperform at university.
the top jobs is nothing to do with educational achievement and everything to do with being the right sort of chap
Go on - read up on it. You will be surprised.
Look at the old etonians in the tory party. Look at their inability to empathise. Look at their difficulty wiuth forming and maintaining relationships
Read the reaseach
What the actual f*** is Boris on about in that video above?
He seemed genuinely demented?
He spent too much time on a tandem and is irrevocably damaged as a result. If you don't believe me, google Boris Johnson and tandem. People I work with say it's true. Read the reaseach. People who ride tandems are all steaming bonkers.
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and that the much vaunted educational advantages are simply not there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333
/blockquote>Not sure why you linked this? Nothing there to do with educational advantages.
I agree the bus thing sounds like a gag
He knows that the membership will vote for him regardless.
Still IDS is his new campaign manager so we can expect a much higher degree of competence over the coming weeks...
Read up on it....
...Go on – read up on it. You will be surprised....
...Read the reaseach
Sounds familiar. Makes you think...
the practice of the upper classes sending their children to boarding schools damages the children
The practice of the working classes sending their children to failing State Schools, with all their inherent problems, damages the children.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/08/boarding-school-syndrome-joy-schaverien-review
https://www.boardingschoolsurvivors.co.uk/
Lots and lots more. Its as obvious as the nose on your face and you see it clearly in people like Johnson
I'm going back in time to break Boris out of Eton and send him to the local comp.
I'm guessing if I'm successful, this thread will never have existed. You can thank me later... 🙂
I went to the local Grammar School about the same time as Boris was at Eton. We used to do cross country runs through Eton's grounds and up Eton highstreet, loudly taking the piss out of "the penguins". Do you think Boris was traumatised during his school days by working class oiks? If so, I apologise 🙁
you just do a Dave or Gideon and wander off to your highly paid consultancies or editorship of a national newspaper
Or create your £29m property "empire" a la Tony Blair.
I don’t think he is.
I think the whole think is the Tory elite, taking the piss out of the electorate. “let’s see if the mugs will let us install Boris as PM and we will do it with him acting as a complete buffoon.”
That bus thing has to be a piss take. These people don’t go into interviews unprepared. Everything is carefully managed. Remember Cameron’s Desert Island Discs?
This +1
It's all bants.
Think I'm missing a trick here. Apparently getting a scholarship at The Royal Alexandra and Albert School gave me access to an old boys club that could have greased the wheels for me.
If only I'd have known this before I joined the military and ended up both physically and mentally damaged by my service. Or maybe its 'Boarding School Syndrome' that's to blame for my PTSD diagnosis, I guess the resident shrinks would know best...
I wouldnt take it personally, this is all about that **** Boris after all.
I’m sure, in his cute and clumsy way, tj isn’t suggesting that all boarding school boys are ****ed up, just that that Johnson is one that probably is ****ed up.
Apparently getting a scholarship at The Royal Alexandra and Albert School gave me access to an old boys club that could have greased the wheels for me.
Ah, regrettably no, you got a scholarship, it's not the same. You still smelt like a poor person. The old boys club also only convenes twice a month on the polo team, ski trips to San moritz etc with a 5 figure fee attached.
Boris got a scholarship too
And look how he turned out
Nothing there to do with educational advantages.
Bizarre you would think that
Why do people send kids to privste schools if not to gain an advantage in getting into a top uni and top job.
As for the educational advantage – again the research shows it is not there. Take a state school pupil and an etonian with the same exam results at school – ON AVERAGE the state school pupil will outperform at university
Is it me or have you provided evidence against your argument? The Etonian thicky gets the same grades as a clever state school kid. What about the state school kids that dont get into uni (or a decent one) whilst an Estonian with the same intelligence does? More bizarre convoluted thinking.
YOu are missing the point AA - yes the etonian gets better school exam results - but that is at the expense of wider "education". Thus they do worse at uni for the same exam grades. You of all.people should know that education is about more than learning to pass exams. Its about critical thinking, self motivation etc.
The better jobs is NOT about educational acheivement - its about being the right sort of chap.
This stuff is all well known and accepted.
Deny the evidence chaps – its completely true. You may not like it but the practice of the upper classes sending their children to boarding schools damages the children. Yes some will come out of it OK and some schools will be better than others but overall boarding schools damage children.
Lol, you do realise that not every boarding/public school is like Eton & Harrow? I went to public school (and boarded), not because my parents were rich but my father was in the forces and moving school every 2-3 years without the UK having a standardised curriculum or a single exam board would have likely damaged my education - it's the reason the tax payer subsidises it. I went at secondary school age, not sure what age the studies you're trying to push as conclusive proof researched.
Were there some odd kids at my school, sure but then I'm betting there are at any school. My brother had the same education as me but we're very different people.
And no one ever got damaged during a state school education? No bullying, no class disruption, no teachers that have victimised pupils (or worse)? That stuff goes on everywhere, maybe some aspects of pubic schools mean some things happen more often in them but likewise some things happen more often in state school.
You sound like my partner with a very warped view of what most public schools are like (although she thinks I went to Hogwarts). I'll say again Eton, Harrow and a few others are a different world to most public schools (not that I'm saying those schools produce a high number of damaged children either, although chances are they'll have a fairly blinkered view of the world as the school fees mean only the very wealthy can send there kids there, that's not true of many public schools though).
As a ex-boarder I can say for certain that it ****ed me up. Giving children no space to simply be themselves and to be permanently on guard (think of the way you acted at home vs the way you acted at school) is terrible for their long term mental health.
It's absolutely true you grow up with a poor understanding of who you are as a person because you spent all your time with your 'school face' on. You have no time to be yourself.
YOu are missing the point AA – yes the etonian gets better school exam results – but that is at the expense of wider “education”. Thus they do worse at uni for the same exam grades.
I must be because you keep making the opposite point from your evidence. Like I said bizarre.
This stuff is all well known and accepted.
Can you show me any evidence that state funded education in the UK performs better than privately funded education? And not what you keep saying that a state kid with the same A level grades as a privately educated kid has more potential when they are finally put on a level playing field at Uni because that shows the opposite of your point.
Nope - you are (deliberatly?) missing the point. If you consider education to be about preparing you for university and to be a well rounded person then Eton and the like are worse. You get taught to pass exams - not to have life skills like critical thinking, asnalytical thing and most importantly to be self motivated. thus for the same school exam results etonians and the like do worse at UNI
You get taught to pass exams – not to have life skills like critical thinking, asnalytical thing and most importantly to be self motivated.
I think I must be suffering from Crap Comprehensive Syndrome. My school never tried to really teach anyone those skills. Everyone just turned up at 9 and tried to make it through to 3.30 the best they could. Teachers and pupils alike.
Why would you think that Public Schools, with far better resources than State schools, would not teach any of the "life skills" you mention?
Thus they do worse at uni for the same exam grades.
Or alternatively it could mean they should have got a lower grade but the support they got allowed them to get a higher grade. Without that they drop back.
Anyway getting back to the actual subject at hand. I did think this election was just going to be a formality and done to avoid a repeat of the maybot but if johnson continues his current run of form think it might be a bit more competitive.
Nope – you are (deliberatly?) missing the point. If you consider education to be about preparing you for university and to be a well rounded person then Eton and the like are worse
No they are not because they get thicker kids to uni. Its really not a hard point to understand.
thus for the same school exam results etonians and the like do worse at UNI
So Etonians are getting a better education exactly. What about all the state kids that are not able to get to uni where an equivalent etonian would? What about all the state educated kids that dont even get to doing a levels but are of the same ability as an etonian going to uni? Your logic is really muddled.
Thats looking at education just as passing exams AA. Thats the point you miss. Education is about far more than that and its the other stuff that the public schools are poor at. Which is why old etonians and the like do comparatively poorly at uni. they do not have these other skills thus are coming out of their school with good exam results but poor life skills
I would really have thought you as a teacher would be able to grasp the point that there is more to education than learning to pass exams
You get taught to pass exams – not to have life skills like critical thinking, asnalytical thing and most importantly to be self motivated
This is true of every school not just the independent sector.
GF is a senior lecturer at a Russel Group Uni, her observations regarding the difference is that "generally" independent school under grads' expectations are different, they expect, for example, that if they email her, to arrange a meeting to see her, that lecturer will drop whatever they're doing to accommodate their needs, and they're often more likely to question their grades, on the flip side, they often turn up more, come prepared. she also thinks that Uni rubs off the corners of both groups though, by 3rd year both groups are similar.
This is in danger of derailing the thread. So in the interests of some "on point" discussion...The model bus thing Johnson made up last night...Did he seriously not think we'd all understand he's taking the piss out of us?
The model bus thing Johnson made up last night…Did he seriously not think we’d all understand he’s taking the piss out of us?
I am not sure if he was taking the piss or just had his list of things to cover, in this case the pollution reduction, and just bullshitted his way to that from the starting question.
So taking the piss in an unthinking way rather than just seeing what he can get away with. Although that said could be the latter since lets face it most of us dont count and those that do may well ignore it.
Thats looking at education just as passing exams AA
That’s all my school did. And it was just the local comp.
It’s all my brothers are getting presently as well.
Thats looking at education just as passing exams AA. Thats the point you miss. Education is about far more than that and its the other stuff that the public schools are poor at
Or you are confusing education with basic ability. State school kids with the same grades do better because they are more able and have had to overcome a poorer education system ti get to the same place. That you of all people dont see this is worrying as you usually seem to have a decent view of the world.
Anyway Boris....what a ****....more **** ish he is the more Tory party ****s will vote for him! We're doomed.
If you consider education to be about preparing you for university and to be a well rounded person then Eton and the like are worse
When I went to Uni I was pretty surprised how clueless a lot of fellow students (from state schools) were about basic stuff like looking after yourself. I don't think some had used a kettle before let alone knew how to cook. Boarding school isn't about being waited on hand and foot and not having to do anything but attend Latin classes. You have to be pretty self-sufficient, sure there's school meals provided but there's also kitchen facilities (and the school food was bad enough that they got a lot of use).
One thing I will admit that I struggled with going from boarding school to Uni is going from an environment where there's set study times and teachers taking a close interest in you keeping on top of homework etc. to an environment where it was entirely up to you. I ended up slacking off and paid the price (dropped out) but even with that my brother's experience was different, he ended up with a masters from Cambridge (and did a second degree after that). So it might say more about me than the boarding school system.
That said I don't think not having a degree has held me back in life and no I haven't fallen back on a network of school chums, I've only met one person I went to school with after leaving and that was 20 years ago.
Went to a shit comp for GCSEs - critical thinking was never covered. State schoolers are worse in that regard tbh and I also observed at university that the white state schoolers were far worse at socialising or interacting with people outside of their own culture. At private schools you tend to get thrown in with a lot of international students.
Judging by the way TJ has managed to derail this thread and stop any discussion of Bojo, I can conclude TJ is in fact, a secret Bojo ultra fanboi...!!!!
This guy also went to Eton...
This guy also went to Eton…
By the looks of that photo, the guy is halfway up his own arse too.
The one thing that public schools give their pupils is high expectations. In Boris' case that has been supplemented by his family. The result is that he wants to be Prime Minister without really worrying about what might be expected of him once he has ticked that one off. Cameron was similar, without being so eccentric in his egotism.