[Closed] Bob Crow dead

Hildodger
When you die, get one of yiur family to email me, and ill come and dance on your grave.

Thats disgusting isnt it, well yiu started it

didnt like his politics BUT massive respect to a bloke who went out with his heart on his sleeve and fought for his union every day.

he didnt do compromise he didnt do idle threats he didnt do anything other than slog his guts out for his members

RIP big fella RESPECT.

ransos - Member

The point is that where union membership is encouraged (Germany) we have better industrial relations, better terms and conditions, and better productivity.

Which we may have been able to have here, if it wasn't for the unionists.

Grum - I do have bollocks but neither the left or the right one has wings. I try not to be a political person so i did not know that 'not allowed' was a political term. I just thought that people getting flamed for having an opinion on a dead man was a bit rich given the shit that was spouted after Thatchers death.

Personally I think it's bad taste to slag off the dead, regardless of your opinion of them, but it just seems a bit like it's ok for one side to do it but not the other.

Any way, I'm boring myself now.............

Which we may have been able to have here, if it wasn't for the unionists.

1. They have it in Germany, where management encourage union membership and employee representation (which is required by law in large companies).

2. We don't have it here, where labour laws are weaker, and most workplaces do not have union or employee representation.

Gee, I wonder what the connection is?

Personally I think it's bad taste to slag off the dead, regardless of your opinion of them, but it just seems a bit like it's ok for one side to do it but not the other.

I think it's bad taste to rejoice in the death of an old, senile woman, but perfectly reasonable to object the virtual deification we saw. State funeral? FFS.

How can you compare Thatcher and Crow, one was Prime Minister for a good few years, was involved in two major conflicts, huge chnges to the social and industrial landscape of the counrty etc etc and one was a Trade Union leader.

Anyway RIP Bob.

I wasn't comparing the people, but the fact that it's ok for people to sing hallelujah when one dies but not ok for people to do the same when the other dies.

Any way that's me done on the subject.

We don't have it here

...because the country voted in a leader on the promise that she would smash the greedy unrealistic unions.
It's because of dinosaurs like Scargill that we don't have the relationship that Germany enjoys between union and employer.

I wasn't comparing the people, but the fact that it's ok for people to sing hallelujah when one dies but not ok for people to do the same when the other dies.

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this

wow. is english a foreign language on here? since when does using the word "significant" mean mild inconvenience?

significant here means, life changing. Huge impact. Not being able to be there for someone in time.

FWIW I have seen sliding doors is it like that?

Lovely characters on display here.

I wasn't comparing the people, but the fact that it's ok for people to sing hallelujah when one dies but not ok for people to do the same when the other dies.

Can you find some examples of the same person saying it's ok to celebrate Thatcher's death but not Bob Crow's? Because otherwise you're just making a basic logical fallacy.

Clearly people are 'allowed' to say whatever they like about Bob Crow, as they were about Thatcher. It's a classic right wing whinge to claim that you aren't 'allowed' to say certain things, when it's patently not true.

FWIW I thought celebrating Thatcher's death was a bit tasteless - even though she was a vile woman who cosied up to some of the world's worst murderers like Pinochet.

Anyone know the cause .... ?

Bird Flu ?

The mans actions affected my life significantly in the last strike

You do realise they do an Eastenders omnibus on a Sunday afternoon?

..because the country voted in a leader on the promise that she would smash the greedy unrealistic unions.
It's because of dinosaurs like Scargill that we don't have the relationship that Germany enjoys between union and employer.

You do realise that the miners' strike was 30 years ago? Even if what you say is true (which it isn't), that's a very long time for successive governments to establish a German-style model. They haven't, because they don't want to. Meanwhile, the gap between rich and poor continues to grow - I'm sure you'll try to tell us that's the fault of the unions too.

Hush with your rational points we are throwing straw mans/ad homs/abuse at each other depending on what side of the political fence you sit

No need for rationality here

derekfish - Member

I wouldn't be hypocritical enough to mourn the loss of the type of Trades Union Leader that inflicts misery on others for his own ends.

...and the ends of his members. Now tell me, where do you stand on the sort of business leader that inflicts misery on their employees? Or for that matter, on the sort of business leader that in conjunction with union leaders creates the conditions for a strike? It takes 2 to tango.

Boris just gave him quite a nice "thumbs up" on the BBC News...

ransos - Member

You do realise that the miners' strike was 30 years ago?

Yes, I remember it.

Even if what you say is true (which it isn't)

We've already established we have a difference of opinion.

that's a very long time for successive governments to establish a German-style model. They haven't, because they don't want to. Meanwhile, the gap between rich and poor continues to grow - I'm sure you'll try to tell us that's the fault of the unions too.

No, it's Thatcher's fault. Just ask binners.

No, it's Thatcher's fault. Just ask binners.

Yep, I blame Thatcher too.

With all this talk of how evil the unions are and what a money-grabbing hypocrite Bob Crow was, perhaps it's a good time to point out that on the same day as his death, the chief executive of the Coop has thrown his dummy out of the pram and resigned because he feels the job is too difficult for the derisory pay of 3 million a year.

We've already established we have a difference of opinion.

Yes, you think it's simple and I think it's complicated.

No, it's Thatcher's fault. Just ask binners.

Mostly though not exclusively. It's certainly not the fault of the unions, which proves what I'm saying.

[i] the chief executive of the Coop has thrown his dummy out of the pram and resigned because he feels the job is too difficult for the derisory pay of 3 million a year. [/i]

Well, no, but nice try.

[i] It's certainly not the fault of the unions[/i]

Is it Binners' fault?

Mostly though not exclusively. It's certainly not the fault of the unions, which proves what I'm saying.

Proves what you're saying?
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Do remember when Thatcher was voted in?
Do you remember why she was voted in?

I'll give you a clue: I've already told you.

the chief executive of the Coop has thrown his dummy out of the pram and resigned because he feels the job is too difficult for the derisory pay of 3 million a year.

No denying his pay and others are over the top, but I think he is right about Co-op its a giant mess.

Northwind - Member
derekfish - Member
I wouldn't be hypocritical enough to mourn the loss of the type of Trades Union Leader that inflicts misery on others for his own ends.

...and the ends of his members. Now tell me, where do you stand on the sort of business leader that inflicts misery on their employees? Or for that matter, on the sort of business leader that in conjunction with union leaders creates the conditions for a strike? It takes 2 to tango.

They are equally to blame, but let's consider who the business leader represents here? As with the case of the Coal Board back in the Gormley days, it was the state, that is you and me, so what was the eventual outcome? The pitiful situation we have today, by Gormley creating the seventies ransom, Thatcher became empowered to wreak her havoc. Bob Crows confrontational style will only hasten the inevitable automation with little public sympathy for the job losses and inevitable safety and insecure feelings that an automated tube system will bring.

Do you remember why she was voted in?

Yes, she said 'Look, if you f*** everyone else over and only care about yourself, you just might get lucky and be one of the well off.' and about 43% of the voters said, 'yep, I'll take that, I never liked my neighbours anyhow'.

So that's a no then.

ransos - Member

Meanwhile, the gap between rich and poor continues to grow

You are aware that Mr Crow spent an awful amount of energy trying to secure more money for people who were already earning in excess of the national average?

Proves what you're saying?

Yes. As I've already said, it's been a very long time since the unions had any real power in this country.

Do remember when Thatcher was voted in? Do you remember why she was voted in?

To increase pay, reduce inflation and create jobs.

That's what their 1979 manifesto said, anyway. Perhaps you could remind us how they got on?

secure more money for people who were already earning in excess of the national average?

Which is why far more people are in need of unions.

You are aware that Mr Crow spent an awful amount of energy trying to secure more money for people who were already earning in excess of the national average?

If only people earning less than average had decent union representation...

So that's a no then.

Well it's half right. She got in because 43% of those who voted, voted for her party. As for their personal reasons for doing so: 90% will have just voted along family lines (as is the way in the UK) and about 10% will have been swung by a variety of issues...

[b]perhaps it's a good time[/b] to point out that on the same day as his death, the chief executive of the Coop has thrown his dummy out of the pram and resigned because he feels the job is too difficult for the derisory pay of 3 million a year.

It might be a good time to point out why he [b]actually [/b]resigned.

It's never a good time to make stuff up in an attempt to prove a point

I see it's hypocrites play day today.

Shame for Crow's family and same applies Boris's also.

Out of interest I found the Conservative manifesto for 1979. Five point thingy. Of course all manifestos are generally not worth the paper they are written on, but here they are...

[list]
[*]To restore the health of our economic and social life, by controlling inflation and striking a fair balance between the rights and duties of the trade union movement.[/*]
[*]To restore incentives so that hard work pays, success is rewarded and genuine new jobs are created in an expanding economy.[/*]
[*]To uphold Parliament and the rule of law.[/*]
[*]To support family life, by helping people to become home-owners, raising the standards of their children's education, and concentrating welfare services on the effective support of the old, the sick, the disabled and those who are in real need.[/*]
[*]To strengthen Britain's defences and work with our allies to protect our interests in an increasingly threatening world.[/*]
[/list]

Bob Crows confrontational style will only hasten the inevitable automation with little public sympathy for the job losses and inevitable safety and insecure feelings that an automated tube system will bring.

Nah, that will happen regardless of how malleable their union is.

footflaps - Member

Yes, she said 'Look, if you f*** everyone else over and only care about yourself, you just might get lucky and be one of the well off.' and about 43% of the voters said, 'yep, I'll take that, I never liked my neighbours anyhow'.

She was voted in because of her promise to break the unions, and you know this footflaps.

She was voted in because of her promise to break the unions, and you know this footflaps.

I can't find that promise anywhere in the manifesto, perhaps you could point it out? When you have, perhaps you could present the evidence that this is why people voted conservative.

ransos - Member

I can't find that promise anywhere in the manifesto, perhaps you could point it out? When you have, perhaps you could present the evidence that this is why people voted conservative.

So when we had rubbish piling up in the streets, power blackouts, even bodies piling up in morgues, the general population were all too happy about it?
Jesus Titty ****ing Christ.
Either your memory is going, you actually have no idea, or you're in complete denial.

Pick any one, I'm going shopping. 🙂

It might be a good time to point out why he actually resigned.

So it's just a coincidence that he resigned days after the massive pay rise he and his fellow board members approved for themselves is called into question after being leaked? If the Coop is so un-governable why didn't he resign a month ago?

I heard him speak at the FBU Conference and he was superb. Did his job and improved the lot of his members. I'm proud to be a member of a Trade Union and would have been proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with Bob. RIP.

I had a good idea this forum had over it's fair share of c***s and I have no reason to believe differently today.