[Closed] Bitten by dog

Border collies are a nightmare, seems to be in their DNA to nip ankles as they do with the sheep? one local to me has had the SPD to the napper a few times, doesn't seem to learn.

I'd report to the police due to the passing out etc...

Yeah, report it. It may have happened before if they are regularly loose.

+1 for being aware of collies. Only been bitten once whilst riding - 5 border collies got angry with me. I put my bike in the way, got noisy and pushed them back. Thought I had this under control until one nipped behind me and bit my calf, the sneaky bugger. Someone then turned up, denied ownership of the dogs but they backed off on his command.....

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Border collies are a nightmare, seems to be in their DNA to nip ankles as they do with the sheep? one local to me has had the SPD to the napper a few times, doesn’t seem to learn.

I’d report to the police due to the passing out etc…

I had two dogs like this on my favourite loop. One nearly wiped me out by attacking me as the evening was getting dark, anyway I lost the rag and decided to do something about it - dismounted, grabbed my trusty pump and went after the collie with every intention of braining it. The dog fled. About two miles up the road I came to the other problem dog and since I was still seething (at the owners more than the dog) I dismounted when the dog came barking. The owner was actually standing at his door watching as the dog chased me down, still standing there as I marched up their driveway calling the dog all the ****ers of the day.

A week or so later I was on the same loop and expecting a replay of the usual bark/chase/ankle nip/sweary bullshit but the dog just sat quietly and watched me. Further up the road dog two, same result and every time since. I don't know if they recognise my scent or how I look or whatever but I get no trouble from them. Probably not advisable with a large rottweiler or similar but it definitely worked for me. People who can't control their dogs should be put down.

Before TJ arrives with a round of applause for you, yes, the dog should obviously not have been in a public place if it was liable to bite you.

Now for the victim blaming :-).  I'm guessing you are not too familiar with dogs judging by your description of trying to avoid it, and how much it shook you up (inc passing out).  If this happens again (of course it shouldn't, but it might), running away from this type of dog will often encourage it to pursue you.  Approaching it slowly/calmly is far more likely to avoid biting/chasing.  Scaring it off (as above) might work too, but I've never had to do this.  Dogs are usually friendly if you know how to approach them (yes, I know you shouldn't have to know, but this is real life).  I'm aware this will not be easy (possibly impossible) if you are scared of dogs.  Of course, if the dog was genuinely mad, there was probably no avoiding it.

Hope the injury wasn't too bad.

i was going to say eight pages, but given the reduced post rate, i'm going 5.

hob nob?

It was only playing. The cheeky scamp. 😉

Back to the OP

Id report it to the Police, dogs biting people is no acceptable.

Im going with 4 pages

i was going to say eight pages,

I thought it might not scrape it to 8 posts but here we are

Let's speed things up a bit. 🙂

He's never done it before, I guarantee you.

Must be something in your body language which set him off...

It's a shame people don't understand how to behave around dogs 🙂

BINGO!

Dog: Woof Woof Woof
Boy: What's that Lassie, there's a jogger in the field by the footpath not harming anyone?
Dog: WOOF!
Boy: Well go see him off then boy, can't have them joggers legally using public rights of way, go give him a wee nip boy.
Dog: WOOF Wooof... *runs off*

I am very familiar with dogs, I do have one myself. It was angry when I came round corner, so did not try and approach it, I was calm to begin with as our next door neighbours dog behaves in the same way, but when not a threat he calms down. When the dog went for me and bit me remaining calm went out the window, hence the kick and the stile being a short distance away. May be the wrong thing to do with hindsight, but I did not fancy trying to fight it off in shorts and t-shirt.

Reported to police, apparently another dog walker also reported this morning in a separate incident similar area...she also probably did not know how to behave around dogs!

It was angry when I came round corner,

Uh-huh. Was Jimjam just ahead of you?

martinhutch has it. It was obviously your fault.

It’s a shame people don’t understand how to behave around dogs

my personal favourite bit of patronising

I’m guessing you are not too familiar with dogs judging by your description of trying to avoid it

Perhaps you can provide a description of these mythical fabulous sounding beasts so that we can seek them out?

Oh, you mean dogs, as in mutts? That every single person posting on this thread will have owned and grown up with, or had friends or family that owned them. Or have stepped in their mess, perhaps needed to avoid the mess on the local dog toilet. (Which is everywhere these days.)  Or even been chased and bitten by one.

The only thing you don’t see these legendary shitbags doing these days is chasing cars in semi-feral packs. I’m guessing that cars must have finally understood the psychology of the doggy brain so that they can go about their business without presenting a threat.

Is the dog Ok?

Sounds like a bad situation all round. Hope you heal up soon. I reckon the owners of these dogs should be stripped naked, marinated in meat juice and chased down by a whole pack of “ooh he’s never done this before” or “she doesn’t like cyclists” dogs.

Best thing to do is have a go at the dog. Boots, pump, stick, whatever comes to hand. If the owner won't train it properly then you can.

Post Office training stipulates to always face the dog whilst backing away, shaking something (for it to bite and to occupy it’s attention) towards the dog at arms length.

Shame my postie didn’t remember his training when I bit his leg. But, then again, I might have caught him off guard because i’m not a dog. He had it coming though.

Sounds rough. I love dogs, have mixed views about passing farm dogs, rarely happy to lucky dogs that want some attention. Usually go mental when you cycle past them (legally etc etc)

I’m guessing you are not too familiar with dogs judging by your description of trying to avoid it

**** me, 4 posts is pretty quick, even by the doggy brigades standard, bravo you!

May be the wrong thing to do with hindsight

It was.

You should have kicked the dog to death. Then billed the owner for any damage to shoes.

Every time I’ve been bitten by a dog, (i used to be a window cleaner) the owner always says ‘oh dont worry, he doesn’t bite’

Every. Single. Time.

I like dogs, I don’t have one because my wife and i both work irregular shifts, it would be cruel of us to get a dog.

but some owners, **** me they need to take a look at themselves.

one ****wit who used to live in my block of flats regularly let her own dog shit right in front of the main entrance, you know, the only way for her to get in and out of her home. Then theirs the type of idiot who doesn’t bother training their dog, they just continually shout ‘fido’ or whatever while the dog completely ignores them.

it boils my piss, because the happiest dogs are the ones that have been trained properly, they love doing what they’ve been trained to do.

IMO, it’s cruel to not train a dog properly.

Oh, you mean dogs, as in mutts? That every single person posting on this thread will have owned and grown up with, or had friends or family that owned them. Or have stepped in their mess, perhaps needed to avoid the mess on the local dog toilet. (Which is everywhere these days.)  Or even been chased and bitten by one.

So everyone knows how to behave around dogs, and nobody is scared of them now?

Also, I don't find stepping in the excrement of an animal is a particularly good way to understand how it behaves.  I must have missed that episode of the crocodile hunter.

So everyone knows how to behave around dogs

Yep, off the lead; kick it to death. Haven't been bitten since adopting this technique.

kick it to death

should have kicked the dog to death.

Get a grip, willy wavers.

Violence against animals is illegal and imprisonable. If I saw anybody mistreating an animal I would deal with them (challenge them, photo / record them, remove the dog) than report them immediately to the police.

Wind your neck in. No-one is saying they'd go after a random dog that was minding its own business somewhere. But as soon as it's approaching in anything like an aggressive manner (and that's for the approached human to decide) it's fair game.

Violence against animals is illegal and imprisonable.

Fortunately, self defence is fine. If you can't control your dog (and you can't) then keep it on a lead. There are fenced off dog walking areas in my neck of the woods to let your hounds stretch their legs, I'm sure they exist in other parts of the country as well. 🙂

I'm really fed up with owners attitudes to their dogs.

They treat them like a perfect baby. Don't train them properly and expect everyone to like their little cute bundle of fluff.

Bring back the dog licence.

I'd be rich if I had a £1 for every owner that says " oh it's never done that before", "oh you'll have to cycle faster", " oh he's harmless, you shouldn't be scared".

Also dog owners not obeying polite signs, such as 'please keep your dog on a lead in lambing season',' Don't let your dog foul this common grazing land as it spreads disease to cattle', 'do not allow your dog into this children's play area'. But no, why shouldn't my little fluffly kins go where it likes, when it likes etc.

And don't get me started on allowing them to jump up, or invading your space.

Hope you're ok OP.

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It was only playing. The cheeky scamp.

Oh! that's surprising! He's never done that before, he's normally so good with people! Aren't you, you little monkey...

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If a dog is aggressive or bite you I have no issues with giving it a sharp kicking.. The op's case very much includes this

If however we were in the countryside and my dog wandered up to say hello in his usual completely unthreatening way and you hit him then wed be having words, and most likely you would be getting a punch thrown in for good measure

I had one once up the Trentham estate whose dog tried to bite my tyre, it was a small beast and didn't pose much threat to me but with razor sharp incisors could have done some damage to my purgatory. I looked at her more stunned than anything trying to think of what to say and the woman looks at me and says 'he doesn't like bikes!'

This bloody bird has been following me about for weeks. It's extremely tenacious and will not give up.

I've been dogged by a bittern.

Sympathies to the OP, he did the right thing, and yes, police should probably be informed (though don’t hold your breath for any outcome). However, I’m trying to get my head around the logic of this little gem;

I’d report to the police due to the passing out etc…

Being bitten is surely the issue, not with how the OP reacts to it emotionally half an hour later...?

That's not a Bittern. That's a baby robin. On steroids.

I’m really fed up with owners attitudes to their dogs.

They treat them like a perfect baby. Don’t train them properly and expect everyone to like their little cute bundle of fluff.

Bring back the dog licence

Yep but its also the same for many dog owners. For example walking my lurcher a while back round a corner with her and a German Sheppard coming the other way which drops its stick growls and charges my dog. She scarpered. Bloody owner rather than saying sorry or trying to call her dog back said "she's a bit nervous isnt she". I told her I'd be ****ing nervous too if a german sheppard was growling and running at me, maybe you you ckuld put it on a lead. It doesnt need to be its friendly  she actually said that as it was still chasing my dog roynd a field growling..could have thrown the stupid bint in the lake..anyway moral of the story many people are idiots and many of them own dogs.

anyway moral of the story many people are idiots and many of them own dogs.

Very true.  Some of them own bikes too, and some have both.

*Applauds perchypanther*

So everyone knows how to behave around dogs, and nobody is scared of them now?

Well I am.  However if an angry dog ran at me and bit as soon as I got round a corner then not sure on the right behaviour to avoid that.  Can you educate me please?

We need a cull on dogs.

perchypanther - you sir are a genius :0)

Is it against the law to bite a dog if it started it first?

Get a grip, willy wavers.

Violence against animals is illegal and imprisonable. If I saw anybody mistreating an animal I would deal with them (challenge them, photo / record them, remove the dog) than report them immediately to the police.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen somebody abusing another persons dog for no reason. I did see a dog owner give his own dog a smack for pulling too hard just today though. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of dog owners could do with some education on how to look after a pet before getting sanctimonious with the rest of us.

^^ That’s a fair comment.

There’s a difference between smacking a dog for misbehaviour (which I don’t condone) and advocating  kicking a dog to death on a public forum (or posting comments that could be construed as such) .

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Especially</span> as the MSM are particularly fond of hanging cyclists out to dry for cycling on pavements, jumping red lights, wearing Lycra, cycling too fast on bridleways blah blah blah.

edit: apparently the underscore button doesn’t agree with iPhones yet. It’s a good job nobody owns an iPhone, eh?

If however we were in the countryside and my dog wandered up to say hello in his usual completely unthreatening way

Its not for you to decide whether your mutt is approaching someone in an unthreatening way. Its for the person your mutt is approaching. They might have had bad experiences with dogs and hence not like being approached by any.

So its best that you keep it under control until you are certain someone is happy with it approaching them.

Well I am.  However if an angry dog ran at me and bit as soon as I got round a corner then not sure on the right behaviour to avoid that.  Can you educate me please?

Sure, happy to help.  Really depends on reading the dog's behaviour.

Normal dog, that's overexcited or scared:  Stop and say hello.  You probably surprised/scared it.  Give it a pat on the head, or calmly walk past it.  This has never failed to work for me.  They can smell fear though, so you might be in trouble.

Genuinely mad dog in attack mode:  If the above doesn't work (and anyone not scared of dogs would soon realise), you can't outrun it (tip: you can't),  and it's big enough to do harm, then I guess you would have to consider giving it a kick as a last resort if it is really going to attack.  I've never had to do this I'm pleased to say.

I can see why it might be an issue if you are unable to tell the difference between the 2 options above.  As an alternative can I suggest riding/running behind TJ at all times, as he can't move without canine warfare.  He should keep them occupied allowing you to run off.

Under control, yes. On a lead? Not necessarily.

Up here in the lakes no ****er has their dogs on the lead, even now in lambing. Got tired of telling the ****s. Neighbours dogs shit in our garden but they're posh and hence love being smeared in fecaes of any description and seem baffled by my displeasure at having to shovel it up. Used to like dogs, used to have one as a kid but would never have one now.

Up here in the lakes no * has their dogs on the lead, even now in lambing. Got tired of telling the *. Neighbours dogs shit in our garden but they’re posh and hence love being smeared in fecaes of any description and seem baffled by my displeasure at having to shovel it up. Used to like dogs, used to have one as a kid but would never have one now.

This is much more like it!  Pure bitter STW style fury and resentment!  Hate dogs!  Hate 'posh' people because they have more money than you!  All such people love being covered in faeces (that's a new one)!  Obviously 100% of dog owners don't control their dogs, especially during lambing.  Yes, that's obviously correct!  This is almost as good as the post the other week that claimed all dog owners are liars.  Yes, very good!

Glad you like it

No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.

I love a good dog bite thread.

I assume the victim blaming is just a bit of trolling though, right? Like, women getting raped don't know how to behave around men? Because when you say it like that it just sounds ****ing ridiculous doesn't it?

women getting raped don’t know how to behave around men? Because when you say it like that it just sounds **** ridiculous doesn’t it?

Dogs and men are a bit different though I hope. You know, in the whole ‘societally expected civilised behaviour’ and the ‘being accountable for their own actions’ departments. Some more than others, admittedly. Dogs bad behaviour is the FAULT of the owners, but it’s pragmatic, sensible and prudent to have an understanding of how to behave around them if you are destined to inevitably come into conflict with them.

Its not for you to decide whether your mutt is approaching someone in an unthreatening way. Its for the person your mutt is approaching. They might have had bad experiences with dogs and hence not like being approached by any.

In fairness if as a grown adult you ever found my dog threatening you really need to either have a word with yourself or lock yourself away out of harms way.. She's adorable!

Although on a serious note.. I do question if someone is genuinely of such a nervous disposition that they are scared of a dog that ambles up to them to say hello, whether being out in the countryside is really the best place for them

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Or dogs could be properly controlled by their owners and the rest of us can go about our business without having to modify our behaviour to avoid being attacked.

Or dogs could be properly controlled by their owners and the rest of us can go about our business without having to modify our behaviour to avoid being attacked.

Yes. Also, see, pragmatism vs idealism.

I like dogs, but there really are some dog owners on here coming across as complete bellends.

I like dogs, but there really are some people on here coming across as complete bellends.

Your leg is likely to fall off so call dibs on your running shoes, what size are they?

lol@stabiliser. Your neighbours sound revolting! why don't you fling the dog shit back over the fence, maybe at a window..

# I like dogs, but there really are some dog owners on here coming across as complete bellends.

then I guess you would have to consider giving it a kick as a last resort if it is really going to attack.  I’ve never had to do this

mmmm, guessing that you would have to kick it and having never had to actually do so doesn't sound like the words of someone who has the knowledge or experience to be giving advice.

tpbiker - I'm sure to you your dog is adorable and cute. But to someone such as myself who has spent some hours in a&e because I've been bitten, your animal is not.

Everyday I see dogs in bags, dogs sitting on laps on drivers seats, dogs roaming free on common land in lambing and ground bird nesting season. These dog owners are being seen by other dog owners and think this is acceptable.

Thats the basic comprehension fail from the doggists buynnyhop.  They seem incapable of understanding that many of us do not want their dogs running and jumping at us, that they have a legal duty to control their dog so that it does not annoy others,  that a dog dangerously out of control ( which legally means scaring someone) can be put down and that the non dog owner has an absolute right to use whatever force they feel necessary to defend themselves up to killing the dog and there would be no legal comeback for using this force

All of the above is backed by statue and case law.

No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.

You win the **** of the day award, well done.

No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.

If if you ever hear yourself saying ‘in this day and age’ it’s best to stop there as anything after that is just bullshit.

All of the above is backed by statue and case law.

Not really now is it. Define annoying someone as that really is an open statement.

Not really now is it.

And it's on!

I'll have a fistful of gravy bones on TJ.

Go TJ!!!

Down with bizarre and perverse interspecies relationships!!!

which legally means scaring someone

Don't be ridiculous.  That is an idiotic, pedantic, misrepresentation of the law in all but the most extreme situations.  A dog under control on a lead 20 feet away can bark in the opposite direction and scare someone who is afraid of dogs.  Recently I walked within about 50 yards of a kids playground (with fence) with my dog (on a lead) (something I do at least 3 times most days) and a kid started crying and shouting for his Mum (who was nearby)because he saw a dog.  Poor lad was obviously terrified of dogs.  Did I break the law?  In this ideal world of yours perhaps you could just let everyone know in advance when you leave the house, and we can try and make sure no at all is around to potentially get in your way.

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You’re dog sounds annoying and should put down Angeldust.

What's that thing about dogs and their owners...

Angeldust - you just prove my point about dog owners not wanting to face their legal responsibilities

From the kennel club
Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3)</div>
It is a criminal offence (for the owner and/or the person in
<div>charge of the dog) to allow a dog to be ‘dangerously out of</div>
<div>control’. A ‘dangerously out of control’ dog can be defined</div>
<div>as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person</div>
<div>has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it may do</div>
<div>so. Something as simple as your dog chasing, barking at or</div>
<div>jumping up at a person or child could lead to a complaint, so</div>
<div>ensure that your dog is under control at all time</div>

~Some useful guidence to the law for you angeldust

These dog owners are being seen by other dog owners and think this is acceptable.

Well I'm a dog owner and think the behaviour idiotic and anti social. Making sweeping generalusations isnt helpful other than to a troll.

Oh and TJ the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous, but you knew that didnt you!

Did 20km of Kennet and Avon today, a few poorly behaved dogs, a few clueless owners a few good owners and a couple of very very well trained dogs...both spaniels today.

the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous

The law relating to self defence (as I read a few days ago on the back of the recent case of the old boy who stabbed a burglar) states that a person has to believe that they are in danger.  This doesn't actually have to be "reasonable" in and of itself when later scrutinised with the benefit of hindsight, the crux is that the victim thought that it was a reasonable reaction at the time.

I don't know how this translates to dogs rather than burglars but I would expect the law to be broadly similar.

What about if my dog is under control, just walking along, but still terrifies someone from 50 yards away?  Isn’t that illegal according to TJ?  It certainly sounds terrifying.

Oh and TJ the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous, but you knew that didn't you!

I'd take a stab in the dark and go with yes.

Yes TJ was well aware of the content of his own post that quoted this.

What about if my dog is under control, just walking along, but still terrifies someone from 50 yards away? Isn’t that illegal according to TJ? It certainly sounds terrifying.

Does it possess any ranged weapons?