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^^ That’s a fair comment.
There’s a difference between smacking a dog for misbehaviour (which I don’t condone) and advocating kicking a dog to death on a public forum (or posting comments that could be construed as such) .
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Especially</span> as the MSM are particularly fond of hanging cyclists out to dry for cycling on pavements, jumping red lights, wearing Lycra, cycling too fast on bridleways blah blah blah.
edit: apparently the underscore button doesn’t agree with iPhones yet. It’s a good job nobody owns an iPhone, eh?
If however we were in the countryside and my dog wandered up to say hello in his usual completely unthreatening way
Its not for you to decide whether your mutt is approaching someone in an unthreatening way. Its for the person your mutt is approaching. They might have had bad experiences with dogs and hence not like being approached by any.
So its best that you keep it under control until you are certain someone is happy with it approaching them.
Well I am. However if an angry dog ran at me and bit as soon as I got round a corner then not sure on the right behaviour to avoid that. Can you educate me please?
Sure, happy to help. Really depends on reading the dog's behaviour.
Normal dog, that's overexcited or scared: Stop and say hello. You probably surprised/scared it. Give it a pat on the head, or calmly walk past it. This has never failed to work for me. They can smell fear though, so you might be in trouble.
Genuinely mad dog in attack mode: If the above doesn't work (and anyone not scared of dogs would soon realise), you can't outrun it (tip: you can't), and it's big enough to do harm, then I guess you would have to consider giving it a kick as a last resort if it is really going to attack. I've never had to do this I'm pleased to say.
I can see why it might be an issue if you are unable to tell the difference between the 2 options above. As an alternative can I suggest riding/running behind TJ at all times, as he can't move without canine warfare. He should keep them occupied allowing you to run off.
Under control, yes. On a lead? Not necessarily.
Up here in the lakes no ****er has their dogs on the lead, even now in lambing. Got tired of telling the ****s. Neighbours dogs shit in our garden but they're posh and hence love being smeared in fecaes of any description and seem baffled by my displeasure at having to shovel it up. Used to like dogs, used to have one as a kid but would never have one now.
Up here in the lakes no * has their dogs on the lead, even now in lambing. Got tired of telling the *. Neighbours dogs shit in our garden but they’re posh and hence love being smeared in fecaes of any description and seem baffled by my displeasure at having to shovel it up. Used to like dogs, used to have one as a kid but would never have one now.
This is much more like it! Pure bitter STW style fury and resentment! Hate dogs! Hate 'posh' people because they have more money than you! All such people love being covered in faeces (that's a new one)! Obviously 100% of dog owners don't control their dogs, especially during lambing. Yes, that's obviously correct! This is almost as good as the post the other week that claimed all dog owners are liars. Yes, very good!
Glad you like it
No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.
I love a good dog bite thread.
I assume the victim blaming is just a bit of trolling though, right? Like, women getting raped don't know how to behave around men? Because when you say it like that it just sounds ****ing ridiculous doesn't it?
women getting raped don’t know how to behave around men? Because when you say it like that it just sounds **** ridiculous doesn’t it?
Dogs and men are a bit different though I hope. You know, in the whole ‘societally expected civilised behaviour’ and the ‘being accountable for their own actions’ departments. Some more than others, admittedly. Dogs bad behaviour is the FAULT of the owners, but it’s pragmatic, sensible and prudent to have an understanding of how to behave around them if you are destined to inevitably come into conflict with them.
Its not for you to decide whether your mutt is approaching someone in an unthreatening way. Its for the person your mutt is approaching. They might have had bad experiences with dogs and hence not like being approached by any.
In fairness if as a grown adult you ever found my dog threatening you really need to either have a word with yourself or lock yourself away out of harms way.. She's adorable!
Although on a serious note.. I do question if someone is genuinely of such a nervous disposition that they are scared of a dog that ambles up to them to say hello, whether being out in the countryside is really the best place for them
<span style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: transparent; color: #222222; font-family: 'Open Sans'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> but it’s pragmatic, sensible and prudent to have an understanding of how to behave around them if you are destined to inevitably come into conflict with them.</span>
Or dogs could be properly controlled by their owners and the rest of us can go about our business without having to modify our behaviour to avoid being attacked.
Or dogs could be properly controlled by their owners and the rest of us can go about our business without having to modify our behaviour to avoid being attacked.
Yes. Also, see, pragmatism vs idealism.
I like dogs, but there really are some dog owners on here coming across as complete bellends.
I like dogs, but there really are some people on here coming across as complete bellends.
Your leg is likely to fall off so call dibs on your running shoes, what size are they?
lol@stabiliser. Your neighbours sound revolting! why don't you fling the dog shit back over the fence, maybe at a window..
# I like dogs, but there really are some dog owners on here coming across as complete bellends.
then I guess you would have to consider giving it a kick as a last resort if it is really going to attack. I’ve never had to do this
mmmm, guessing that you would have to kick it and having never had to actually do so doesn't sound like the words of someone who has the knowledge or experience to be giving advice.
tpbiker - I'm sure to you your dog is adorable and cute. But to someone such as myself who has spent some hours in a&e because I've been bitten, your animal is not.
Everyday I see dogs in bags, dogs sitting on laps on drivers seats, dogs roaming free on common land in lambing and ground bird nesting season. These dog owners are being seen by other dog owners and think this is acceptable.
Thats the basic comprehension fail from the doggists buynnyhop. They seem incapable of understanding that many of us do not want their dogs running and jumping at us, that they have a legal duty to control their dog so that it does not annoy others, that a dog dangerously out of control ( which legally means scaring someone) can be put down and that the non dog owner has an absolute right to use whatever force they feel necessary to defend themselves up to killing the dog and there would be no legal comeback for using this force
All of the above is backed by statue and case law.
No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.
You win the **** of the day award, well done.
No need for keeping pets in this day and age. It is animal cruelty.
If if you ever hear yourself saying ‘in this day and age’ it’s best to stop there as anything after that is just bullshit.
All of the above is backed by statue and case law.
Not really now is it. Define annoying someone as that really is an open statement.
Not really now is it.
And it's on!
I'll have a fistful of gravy bones on TJ.
Go TJ!!!
Down with bizarre and perverse interspecies relationships!!!
which legally means scaring someone
Don't be ridiculous. That is an idiotic, pedantic, misrepresentation of the law in all but the most extreme situations. A dog under control on a lead 20 feet away can bark in the opposite direction and scare someone who is afraid of dogs. Recently I walked within about 50 yards of a kids playground (with fence) with my dog (on a lead) (something I do at least 3 times most days) and a kid started crying and shouting for his Mum (who was nearby)because he saw a dog. Poor lad was obviously terrified of dogs. Did I break the law? In this ideal world of yours perhaps you could just let everyone know in advance when you leave the house, and we can try and make sure no at all is around to potentially get in your way.
🙂
You’re dog sounds annoying and should put down Angeldust.
What's that thing about dogs and their owners...
Angeldust - you just prove my point about dog owners not wanting to face their legal responsibilities
From the kennel club
Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3)</div>
It is a criminal offence (for the owner and/or the person in
<div>charge of the dog) to allow a dog to be ‘dangerously out of</div>
<div>control’. A ‘dangerously out of control’ dog can be defined</div>
<div>as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person</div>
<div>has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it may do</div>
<div>so. Something as simple as your dog chasing, barking at or</div>
<div>jumping up at a person or child could lead to a complaint, so</div>
<div>ensure that your dog is under control at all time</div>
~Some useful guidence to the law for you angeldust
These dog owners are being seen by other dog owners and think this is acceptable.
Well I'm a dog owner and think the behaviour idiotic and anti social. Making sweeping generalusations isnt helpful other than to a troll.
Oh and TJ the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous, but you knew that didnt you!
Did 20km of Kennet and Avon today, a few poorly behaved dogs, a few clueless owners a few good owners and a couple of very very well trained dogs...both spaniels today.
the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous
The law relating to self defence (as I read a few days ago on the back of the recent case of the old boy who stabbed a burglar) states that a person has to believe that they are in danger. This doesn't actually have to be "reasonable" in and of itself when later scrutinised with the benefit of hindsight, the crux is that the victim thought that it was a reasonable reaction at the time.
I don't know how this translates to dogs rather than burglars but I would expect the law to be broadly similar.
What about if my dog is under control, just walking along, but still terrifies someone from 50 yards away? Isn’t that illegal according to TJ? It certainly sounds terrifying.
Oh and TJ the law is a person must have reasonable grounds to think the dog is dangerous, but you knew that didn't you!
I'd take a stab in the dark and go with yes.
Yes TJ was well aware of the content of his own post that quoted this.
What about if my dog is under control, just walking along, but still terrifies someone from 50 yards away? Isn’t that illegal according to TJ? It certainly sounds terrifying.
Does it possess any ranged weapons?
I’m not so sure. Once you are so blinded by anger, I’m not sure some people are aware of much at all.
Pretty much right cougar. Its the belief of the person who perceives the threat that counts.
Angeldust - your dog was both creating a public nuisance with its barking and scaring people. Thats enough to put you on the wrong side of the law on two counts. Yes the penalties are likely to be low to non existant for a minor breach but you could be prosectuted for both
I really do suggest you read up on the kennel club advice. You might learn how to be a responsible dog owner
No, I’ve confiscated his slingshot.
He wasn’t barking. Just walking along. You are so blinded by rage you are making stuff up! Try reading the posts a bit more slowly. My point was that some people could be scared by a dog by its mere presence. This was lost on you.
~Correct sbob. I do understand the law on this. there is no need for the fear to be "reasonable" Just that the fear is real to the person perceiving it. Same as if you are threatened with a weapon
Angeldust - I am not angry - I am laughing at you because you proved my point about entitled dog owners.
I’m not so sure. Once you are so blinded by anger, I’m not sure some people are aware of much at all.
It's your fault.
If you knew how to behave around people like TJ, you wouldn't get attacked......
If you say so. I challenge you to go back and read the post, and deny you misunderstood it. That’s not really your style though is it? Woof!
Can we wind this up on page 4 please to keep in line with my original prediction. We’re already very close to peak **** so it should be possible.
My point was that some people could be scared by a dog by its mere presence.
They could. And if I'm understanding this correctly: if someone was massively phobic, incorrectly believed that they were in danger and 'defended' themselves, the law would side with them rather than the dog owner. Which sucks for the dog / dog owner, but people are more important than animals.
(Of course, is someone tried to claim that they were so scared of a dog that was on a lead and barking 40 yards away that they picked up a stick, marched over and stoved its head in, they'd probably struggle to get a jury to believe that.)