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Oi, loddrik , NOO!!! 😆
everyone knows Lennon wished he was a rolling stone.
& Mr Kite cannot be listened to repeatedly without driving you insane.
Stones can be played on repeat and still sound like raw sex after 100 years..
no one, thats NO ONE has the swagger like Jagger.
This video is too cool for words so im shutting up.
Watch it, turn on your ear goggles, you are watching & hearing perfection:
Gimme Shelter, Sympathy, You Can't are the 3 that do it for me.
Thanks for this thread. Pulled Gimme Shelter straight up on the iPod and have finally reset my internal playlist that had been stuck with Lana Del Rey on repeat for 4 days.
Tbh the stones were a great rock n roll band but ......
Durr that's the point.
It is 'only' rock n roll but I like it
🙂
Am I the only person who thinks that, with the exception of the odd good track, The Beatles are vastly overrated?
Not a troll, I'm genuinely baffled by what people see in them. And before anyone asks, yes, [i]of course[/i] I've listened to their output. I jut think it's a bit useless for the most part, average for some of it, and there's just a few decent tracks in there.
The Stones have a far higher % of decent tracks, and that's even allowing for some of the utter bilge they've put out in the last 2 decades.
I love the gospel sound of Let it Loose and Shine a Light off Exile.
But it's a tough choice - has any other band produced such a body of work?
nickf, I think that the Beatles, certainly early Beatles was of its time, White Album etc ages better like the Stones who appear to appeal over a much longer timeline
The last time, Its all over now, Not fade away.
Another fan of Little Red Rooster here, nice bluesy bit of rock. [blows trumpet] worked on their '76 tour as part of the road crew, interestingly they didn't play a lot of their established classics (except maybe at Knebworth); more of the Angie, Fool to Cry type stuff [/blows trumpet]
But it's a tough choice - has any other band produced such a body of work?
As much as I love the Stones, their purple patch was quite short (in my opinion it's BB plus all the Mick Taylor albums), so I'd say that other bands such as Pink Floyd, Zep and, say, the first six Sabbath albums are up there as well.
I think for me nickf, it's the *journey* (awful, sorry) that the Beatles went on, from Love me Do through Blackbird to She's so Heavy, it's an amazing list of endless re-invention and musical growth. The Stones are cool, but always have been a one trick pony (a very good pony for sure) but they've never experimented, never gone anywhere always have been a blues band always will be. Nothing at all wrong with that, I love lots of the Stones tracks.
It's an intensely personal thing I think.
Edit: hate the comparison though, I think it's useless
Honky Tonk Women or Sympathy for me. Used to sit in a-level chemistry lessons next to the coach station which had a horn that went off regularly that sounded just like the "woo, woo" from Sympathy.
On the other hand - Angie, Wild Horses, Love in Vain from Stripped - just beautiful - a bunch of guys who've been playing their instruments and playing together so long that they can't be anything BUT brilliant.
I'd still love to see them in a small club - couple of 100 punters, low ceiling. I think they'd still be amazing.
Edit: hate the comparison though, I think it's useless
Agreed.
Especially when Stones were better. 😀
But seriously, The Beatles stood for something else. And are great in their own right, and its a personal decision.
I dont agree with the 'the Stones never experimented' comment though.
They took blues, added rock, then went satanic, then gospel, tried a bit of folk, then went raw, then went pop... etc etc.
They even made their own Sgt Pepper with Satanic Majesty!
But there I go again, making comparisons..
All I know is that I never get tired of listening to Stones.
Its stripped down, raw, sexy and rocks.
Long live Mick & Keef
[i]All Down the Line [/i]for me I think...
[i]Especially when Stones were better. [/i]
rolling Stone magazine disagrees with you, 4 Beatles albums in their top 10 of the 500 Greatest albums list as opposed to 1 for the Stones. While your on the site you can search the best 100 Beatles songs as well...Sadly they don't offer a list like that for the Stones.
I'm being cheeky, sorry
No offence I hope!!!! 😀
Edit, JonEdwards I'd love that too, It'd be amazing OMG can you imagine!!!
*Journey* (awful, sorry)
Yeah, just look at what those b******* at Glee did to their best-known song..........and it was crap to begin with.
Back on thread. I thought the pre-65 Beatles were just dull. OK, they experimented a lot more in their later years, but then they needed to. We all have our likes and dislikes, but for me The Beatles are the musical equivalent of the emperor's new clothes. There's such reverence and I can't for the life of me get what it was all about. Believe me, I've looked and listened, scratched my head a lot, and I'm none the wiser. And I firmly believe that you shouldn't need to work hard at something to enjoy it; you either get it in the first 30 seconds or you don't. OK, there are the growers, but for me they're rare.
Part of it is the fact that I really can't think of The Beatles without thinking of John Lennon, who IMO is [i]vastly[/i] overrated, and from many accounts was a deeply unpleasant man, yet practically deified by the masses.
Then again, I'm a hopeless case. For me, the best Beatle song (by a mile) is Let It Be, and that's because of the Phil Spector (another unpleasant man) production. And that's a song that probably wouldn't make it into a Beatleoholic's Top 100.
I listen to Ob-La-Di and shudder. When I hear I Want To Hold Your Hand I just turn it off because of its insufferable tweeness. In My Life is a bit meh. Yellow Submarine makes me feel physically nauseous. Something, While My Guitar Gently Weeps & Yesterday are all a bit special though.
Give me Van Morrison (yet [i]another[/i] deeply unpleasant curmudgeon) any (though not eight) day(s) of the week.
we need martyrs for the masses, Beatles fit the bill nicely.
Rockers prefer Stones.
for the club experience see this:
I luv Let it Be, it definiately makes it into this Beatleoholics top 10!!
and I find it really interesting that two of your Beatles choices are Harrison tracks....discerning. 8)
For me my fav is I Want You (She's So Heavy), that outro that goes on and on and builds and builds all the while getting more and more hypnotic and white nois-y and then it just cuts....amazing like an orgasm 😳
If we all liked the same things life would be v dull though.
The Beatles were knobs, except for good old George. They only had 2 decent years, with 3 good albums I reckon. For those who think that St Pepper was a leap forward in music, there were loads of great albums before it. The Doors first album, Forever Changes, are just a couple. The Stones best stuff was from 69 to 75... almost untouchable. The Who still piss over the Beatles and Stones for me though. 8)
So hard to pick a favourite Stones track, can depend what mood I'm in - think I love 'em all.
that outro that goes on and on and builds and builds all the while getting more and more hypnotic and white nois-y and then it just cuts....amazing like an orgasm
Pimms-o-clock!
Lets make a Rolling Beatle baby!
This is one of my favourites, though technically it's not the stones.
The Who still piss over the Beatles and Stones for me though
'cept Roger cant sing, and the music died along with Moony.
Some legendary tracks for sure, but pisses all over? not sure..
rolling Stone magazine disagrees with you, 4 Beatles albums in their top 10 of the 500 Greatest albums list as opposed to 1 for the Stones. While your on the site you can search the best 100 Beatles songs as well...Sadly they don't offer a list like that for the Stones.
Yeah, but that's just the whole Beatles mythology thing again.
Michael Schumacher has more brand recognition than probably any other F1 driver, and has won more championships than anyone else, but there are precious few people who would claim he was the best driver.
Westlife have apparently sold 44 million albums, compared to Lou Reed, who's probably sold a tenth of that in his entire career. Who's more important?
Numbers just aren't important in this context. Had The Stones simply stopped in the early '70s, I suspect the legend would have grown up around them in much the same way as The Beatles.
The Who still piss over the Beatles and Stones for me though.
I almost agree with you, but after my Top 10 Who songs, the gap to number 11 is a big one. And most of their best work was on one album, albeit a staggeringly good one.
[i]Who's more important?[/i]
define more important though. To me it's the Beatles. 8) for you it's some-one else. taste defies comparisons.
Can't really say if listened to loads of Who tracks, 😳 never really 'got them'
Can't really say if listened to loads of Who tracks, never really 'got them'
Eek!
Try any/all of the following, if you can be bothered. Personally I'd go no further...there's a lot of filler on Who albums. When they were good they were very very good, the rest of the time they were just average.
Won't Get Fooled Again
Baba O'Riley
Behind Blue Eyes
The Kids Are Alright
I'm Free
Pinball Wizard
5.15
The Rock
My Generation
I've Had Enough
I Can See For Miles
Song Is Over
Or just buy Who's Next. Their best album by a mile.
Jeez we were all going along nicely choosing our favourite stones tracks and the world was lovely.
Somehow its been turned into yet another STW barney.
Where is the youthful optimism that we all had back in the 4 oclocks?
Peace and love to all.
PS I am about to start a most over rated bands in history thread where we can have a right old moan.
PPS the northern soulers kept it nice.
Paint it black or Sympathy for the Devil
[blows trumpet] worked on their '76 tour as part of the road crew, interestingly they didn't play a lot of their established classics (except maybe at Knebworth); more of the Angie, Fool to Cry type stuff [/blows trumpet]
psling - Is it correct that Mick Jagger threw a wobbler at Knebworth because Lynyrd Skynyrd played a blinder of a set and he didn't think the Stones could follow it?
its all nice in here still!
just a few that need to be convinced is all..
as for Who comments above, totally agree about the album filler, although you missed
'Cant Explain'
from your song list!
Won't Get Fooled Again
Baba O'Riley
are totally amazing.
Im also a big fan of thier 'comeback' single Real Good Looking Boy, although alot of Who fans dont seem to like it.
I find it very touching, and although its mainly refering to Elvis, I find it speaks about the love between father & son...brings a tear when I hear the last verse...
zippykona +1
I'll buy Mojo if I want that sort of beatles vs stones windbaggery ta
Slimjim- Daltrey can't sing? Jagger's worse, and the less said about McCartney the better! 😉
Yeah, I agree, Jaggers hardly conventional but as per Daltrey, its the right sound for the band.
Daltrey does hit some bum notes though...and have you heard him these days? oooch...
Top top fella though
cha****ng - chill Winston. its a rock'n'roll love in here. youz two is bringing the beef.
+1 for Memo From Turner. Also Stray Cat Blues, Monkey Man and loads of stuff from Exile but Happy is a fave of mine. The Black Crowes did six great covers at their last gig at the Fillmore which are avaliable on I chunes, including a great version of Midnight Rambler which is one of my least favourite Stones tracks. TBC version seems to have something extra.
nickf,
right I've listened to them, and I have to admit I can see what you mean, I loved I can see for miles, some others I did know, My Generation Pinball wizard. Won't get fooled again has been downloaded and is on a playlist now
I had fun, thanks for that. 😀
Great thread. Tomorrow morning will be mostly spent in the late 60s and early 70s 🙂
psling - Is it correct that Mick Jagger threw a wobbler at Knebworth because Lynyrd Skynyrd played a blinder of a set and he didn't think the Stones could follow it?
Blimey, it was a long time ago 😯 From what I can remember, there was a big delay before the Stones went on stage but that was because the band had a big lighting special planned and it was still too light for it to be effective so Jagger was holding things up because of that. Skynyrd's Freebird had gone down brilliantly earlier but if I remember rightly 10cc were on before the Stones and they didn't go down too well. Sound at these events wasn't always brilliant in those days. We weren't very involved at Knebworth because it was promoted separately to the Stones tour. I do remember it was a hot day, very hot 8)
Ref the Beatles, Stones, The Who debate; they were all different, all very influential, the Stones and The Who were great live bands (I never got to see The Beatles 🙁 ) The Who Live at Leeds is a classic album too, another favourite of mine by the Rolling Stones is High Tide & Green Grass.