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As usual Ernie you've missed the point or more likely deliberately ignored it.
Oh wow, an ad hominem attack from you, how unusual! 😃
No I didn't understand what was meant by "Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers" because we were discussing the attitude of other countries towards asylum seekers, now it has been explained further I understand.
However I don't understand why that is a particular problem, what sort of of country refuses entry to its own citizens? Surely the answer to that is the sort of country with a repressive regime which as you point out yourself kind of justifies the asylum claim.
So it is only really a problem where the asylum process has come to the wrong conclusion I would have thought.
so most of your post isn't relevant
I beg to differ, most of my post is perfectly relevant imo. The UK government has legal obligations under both international law and UK law, the suggestion that because other countries don't necessarily comply with their obligations is neither here nor there.
We have much bigger issues with our ever increasing numbers of home grown drains on society who are often ironically the ones shouting loudest about the immigrants stealing their benefits.
Indeed
Many countries aren't very keen on or refuse point blank the return of asylum seekers.
Have you data to back that up? I don't think that's a substantial part of the "problem".
IMO it's a serious error not allowing them to work legally as history tells us immigrants who can't work very often work illegally and tend to set up criminal organisations.
Again, you have evidence that "very often" they "set up" criminal organisations? I think it's much more likely they are exploited by criminals, which is a subtly different thing, with quite different culpability.
FWIW I agree with you that not allowing those with pending applications to work is absolutely stupid. But then its also pretty stupid not to allow a person to make an application before they arrive in the UK - perhaps with different criteria (e.g. showing family links to people who are here). You probably need some sort of "buffer" period to prevent it being easier to get an pending case permit to work than a legitimate visa, but if your application has been stuck in the system for months, you've provided everything that's expected of you then moving you from a cost to an income generator seems a logical approach.
the vast majority of applicants are not in detention centres - they are in temporary accommodation.Keeping them in detention centers (prisons) is counter productive unless there's reason to believe they're a danger to society which the vast majority aren't.
This is one of the groups actively involved in the Epping "protests". They are a far-right white supremacist group originating from Scotland which Hope not Hate has described as the largest fascist organisation currently in the UK.
https://twitter.com/Homeland_Party/status/1947016005760541139
Poly, there was a documentary on my local TV which outlined what happened when Roumania and Bulgaria joined the EU. There was a transition in which nationals of those countries could travel through Europe but not work. The mafias of those countries profitted from the situation to provide illegal work very often in illegal sectors of the economy for people wishing to move to/work in France/Germany/Belgium etc. The programme argued that if the people had been able to work legally they wouldn't have fallen prey to the mafia and increased its wealth and power base. The fact the victims were working illegally in France made them highly unlikely to denounce their situation to the authorities. Strategies such as withholding passports and threats to relatives made them virtual prisoners of their exploiters.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_bulgare
The programme went on to convincingly develop the theme using examples of communities from Magreb, the Sahel and other places to demonstrate how idle hands had been put to work by criminal gangs.
Us French generally get chucked in detention centers rather than hotels:
But then you never believe a word I say... .
Was notable on a TV news piece yesterday that while Epping locals aren't happy with the hotel and it's residents, none of the protesters arrested are local.
This goes into more details concerning those behind the rioting in Epping
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/exclusive-neo-nazi-group-behind-organising-epping-riots/
Too slow to find to add in an edit:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-detention-in-the-uk/
This goes into more details concerning those behind the rioting in Epping
Just concerned parents looking out for their kids, right?
People who marked Sir Keir Starmer's words like he told them to do
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1922564643433627824
Funnily enough, based on this story the kids are probably safer out of the house. The mum definitely is. For comparison the British Army has a domestic abuse rate of just over 1 in 10.
This says to me that “Protecting Are Children” has much more to do with possession than protection. It always the ones you most expect.
It always the ones you most expect.
Yup. 95% of the time you know the exact type before you've seen their mugshot or read anything about them. Petty neighbourhood thugs who've lived their lives relying on the fact that most people don't want a gob full of abuse or a punch in the face for challenging their loutish behaviour.
Then, when they do end up in court it is all about being 'misunderstood' etc.
Just watched C4 news and I see they interviewed a couple of folk from the protests, I'll be fair to both sides.
The reporter interviewed the most thick as shit ignorant as **** brain cell deprived 60yr old disguised as a 200yr old living corpse who wants all the asylum seekers/migrants to go back from where they came.
On the other side they appeared to be normal.
The protesters are doing a wonderful job reinforcing my beliefs as to what sort of person acts like that
as well as being immortalised on the tinternet.
And well deserved it is too. No matter how many times I watch it I still chuckle every time I see the bricks making contact.
I think it's the fact that the bricks are being lobbed by ****wits like himself which adds to the comedy value.
Plus how he is mockingly gyrating his hips in front of the coppers when the first brick makes contact,. although it isn't clear in that particular clip.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
I sometimes wonder whether "commemorating" tragedies like this are a good thing or not. I guess only the families can truly make the call on that.
A year ago today.
With commemorations happening in Southport, the local MP strikes the right tone by saying the town will not be defined by the attack.
Let's hope the Carling and trackie bottoms brigade stay away.
I sometimes wonder whether "commemorating" tragedies like this are a good thing or not. I guess only the families can truly make the call on that.
Aye, I'm pretty sure those directly impacted will be commemorating every day for the rest of their lives. I'd like to think they would be given the opportunity to steer such a thing.
Aye, I'm pretty sure those directly impacted will be commemorating every day for the rest of their lives. I'd like to think they would be given the opportunity to steer such a thing.
Officially, of course, they will be given that opportunity.
But that's no guarantee that a bunch of lagered-up thugs, egged on by the likes of Farage, can't set the news agenda by showing up and acting like the louts they are.
But that's no guarantee that a bunch of lagered-up thugs, egged on by the likes of Farage, can't set the news agenda by showing up and acting like the louts they are.
Well no, but you do seem to be doom wishing, unless there's been some right wing chatter I've not seen reported.
you do seem to be doom wishing
Nope. I just wouldn't be surprised if it happened is all. 'Seem' is doing all the heavy lifting in that lazy accusation.
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Nope. I just wouldn't be surprised if it happened is all.
The suggestion that Nigel Farage might 'egg on', as you call it, his supporters to turn up drunk and disrespect commemorations at Southport is just daft.
Nigel Farage might be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
Anyway it seems that the commemoration was really quite special and very fitting :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c201g7w9377o
I’d imagine that any trouble is now far less likely now that the main instigator, Little Tommy, has just left the country after what I’m sure is just a perfectly innocent misunderstanding
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tommy-robinson-says-had-fight-083121597.html
I would expect every inch of the concourse of St Pancras International to be covered by CCTV, in multiple directions, so why the hell is he running away and not helping the police with their enquiries?
Blimey, if you expand that photo it looks like he's got a touch of herpes.
I wonder if he caught that whilst residing at His Majesty's pleasure ?
The bloke Robinson hit had to be given CPR.
Hopefully this will see him put away for a long time once he returns to the UK.
Yes, he's already flown (fled) abroad for his "post fight holibobs"...
I’d imagine that any trouble is now far less likely now that the main instigator, Little Tommy, has just left the country
This (slightly meandering) article seems to suggest that Tommy Robinson had a peripheral role in Epping events. I thought it was a bunch of Scotch Nazis that were much more heavily involved?
https://standuptoracism.org.uk/exclusive-neo-nazi-group-behind-organising-epping-riots/
https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-homeland-party/
Hopefully this will see him put away for a long time once he returns to the UK.
I blame the Labour government for releasing criminals from jail early.
Daily Mail readers and GB News viewers were outraged at Labour's soft touch with criminals, releasing them into law-abiding communities early, now I understand the point they were trying to make.
The suggestion that Nigel Farage might 'egg on', as you call it, his supporters to turn up drunk and disrespect commemorations at Southport is just daft.
Nigel Farage might be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
Well that's the real trick, isn't it?
The egginess is dialled up and down according to how distant Nige feels it expedient to appear at any given moment.
This is his real gift - a good nose for when to be the figurehead and when to get someone else to be at the forefront.
In any case, his activities of the last decade have let enough of the racist genie out of the bottle that he doesn't really need to stick his head out too much. He can now, more often than not, play the voice of 'reason' who can represent bigotry through parliament. He just needs to remember to throw the masses a bone or two with bigoted comments every so often.
You give Nigel Farage far too much credit. He didn't invent racism.
Has Little Tommy started the gofundme page to pay for his legal fees to right this great injustice?
He normally has it up and running within minutes of his latest arrestable offence. the gullible halfwits who follow him are usually more than happy to hand over their cash, despite it then being spent on coke and holidays
You give Nigel Farage far too much credit. He didn't invent racism.
No, but he worked out a way to make it more 'acceptable' in 21st century Britain, though.
No, but he worked out a way to make it more 'acceptable' in 21st century Britain, though.
Nigel Farage has been busy going around all over Europe in that case, judging by the current Europe-wide attitude towards asylum seekers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq682ggrd63o
Robinson, 42, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was contacted by a female BBC reporter for comment after the incident, but Robinson responded with a message that said "slag".
One wonders why the BBC might have thought it would be appropriate for one of their more promiscuous female reporters to contact Yaxley-Lennon.
Where does the information about promiscuity come from?
Imma go out on a limb here and offer Ernie was being sarcastic...
So the BBC have apologised to Robert Jenrick after someone on Radio 4 accused him of xenophobia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dxqwkwx5qo
In response, Jenrick said listeners had been told that "if you're concerned about the threat of illegal migrants to your kids, you're racist".
I think that Robert Jenrick, and the BBC, might have missed the point. Describing people as coming from "backward countries" is pretty racist. It is not a recognised region of the world. At least I don't think it would be an appropriate term to use on your GCSE geography exam paper.
I reckon Jenrick got off lightly just being accused of xenophobia.
And I am surprised that Jenrick is such a soft snowflake that he presumably needs an apology from the BBC when someone is being beastly to him on the radio.
He doesn't seem to be the most suitable person for all the rough and tumble of UK politics to me.
I suppose Honest Bob has to at least retain a pretence of not wanting to appear xenophobic or racist. That's the main thing that distinguishes them from Reform (who increasingly don't care) nowadays. Whilst a Labour politician would be totally enraged by the accusation of xenophobia/racism whilst being led by the nose into implementing inherently xenophobic/racist policies.
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The genie has been out of the bottle for 9 years now, it ain't going back in.
Honest Bob is a truly horrible, charmless little cockwomble.
He’s also not very bright. Farage is at least savvy enough to dress up his racism in vague, ambiguous language, thus ensuring plausible deniability.
Bob isn’t that smart. Referring to ‘backward’ countries, you might as well call them Bongo-Bongo-Land, or whatever. He then went on to basically accuse all immigrants of being rapists. it’s not really dog-whistle, is it? More megaphone racism really. You could read what he said and assume Tommy Robinson had come out with it
I can’t see any reason the BBC should apologise to him for merely stating the obvious. Xenophobic was quite mild.
Anyway… I’m sure he’ll provide us all with much amusement when he replaces Kemi shortly and is handed the poison challace he’s so unashamedly been pursuing for the last few years
Anyway… I’m sure he’ll provide us all with much amusement when he replaces Kemi shortly and is handed the poison challace he’s so unashamedly been pursuing for the last few years
Badenoch has raised the bar as far as embarrassing statements go, but I'm confident Jenrick could be the person to replace her seamlessly
I can’t see any reason the BBC should apologise to him for merely stating the obvious.
It’s what the BBC does.