[Closed] Apple Pencil - any point?

It's awesome... do you have an iPad Pro though?

I thought they only work with the pro devices?

If you have a pro then i'd have one just to get the best out of the device.

I bet Paul Allen has one.

I do have a pro

If you have a pro then i'd have one just to get the best out of the device

What is that - the best - exactly?

The ability to use it to its designed potential.

Pun intended

Damn. I'm out.

I grabbed a one as an ebay bargain, it makes the Pro come alive.

Seriously though it allows you iPad to become a great note taker, handy for doodling too works brilliantly in are programmes for and is superb for Photoshop malarkey too.

It is phenomenally clever and works brilliantly. I haven’t used mine for months.

^similar to our experience with an expensive apple magic mouse.

Is it useful or just an expensive gimmick?

If you’re not struggling to do what you want to do already then it’s a gimmick. For me the pencil is the only reason to own an iPad and I hadn’t considered owning a tablet previously.

Well thats what i thought. I can only imagine taking notes with it, and i have terrible handwriting...

It works for me as a recce tool - take a photo, write and draw my notes straight onto it in situ. The writing element isn’t so much because my hand writing is lovely (its awful and with the pencil it’s worse) - its more that it’s quick and I can do it standing up, where as typing at any speed is a two handed job. For speed -writing and drawing with the same ‘tool’ is quicker too, rather than having to switch to text and draw text boxes then switch back to a drawing tool.

As a drawing tool for sketching / visualisation / presentation purposes it’s probably unsurpassed.

A key to it all working well is a good case that holds the pencil securely (its a slippery devil) and keeps it easily to hand.

Mrs STR uses it to paint stuff like this...

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Holy shit! That is awesome gorgeous border too.

The Mrs [i]had[/i] to have one when I got her the pro. It was the first one in our area I could have sold it for way more than I bought it for.

Never even been charged

Holy shit! That is awesome gorgeous border too

I'll tell her, thanks. It's a friends hound, but she's just started doing these for commission, whilst recovering from a hip operation. She's talented for sure, but then I'm biased

JAW

DROP

!

Another one she's done - completely freehand, with photo for reference...

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Just incredible.

Wow those drawings are fantastic!

Back to the OP, I have a surface pro as my work pc and find the pen really useful, I capture all my thoughts during meetings into one note, I’m able to copy google maps images and photos along with schematic drawings etc into one place along with my notes. While I can do this without the pen it just makes the job slicker and faster.

You guys know that the dogs’ faces aren’t what is drawn; right? They’re photographs with either a border (pardon the pun) drawn/blended around or cropped out with a different background.

[i][b]Talented[/b][/i]

You’ve got to tell her...

Use my iPad Pro with pencil daily for work - sketching, note-taking etc. Advantage is, all my notes and sketches can be stored, sorted, recalled and shared almost immediately, instead of becoming lost and forgotten in a mountain of old notepads.

Notability app justified the whole purchase price for me.

[s]So I guess that the iPad Pro / Apple Pencil combo can be used to annotate documents, then? e.g.. making handwritten amendments, notes and corrective marks to a digital manuscript?[/s]

Answered my own question. Amazing thing, [i]the Internet.[/i]

So I guess that the iPad Pro / Apple Pencil combo can be used to annotate documents, then? e.g.. making handwritten amendments, notes and corrective marks to a digital manuscript?

Yes - you can write 'See me after class' at the bottom of a PDF 🙂

Yes it can Bodgy.

Annoying demo.

More specifically: does it all go tits-up if you accidentally rest your hand on the screen in the process of writing (as you would naturally do with a pen and paper)?

Edit: thanks Drac / Mac. Yes, that is exceptionally annoying.

More specifically: does it all go tits-up if you accidentally rest your hand on the screen in the process of writing (as you would naturally do with a pen and paper)?

Not all it’s very very clever and can sense the difference, it’s not a Surface Pro.

More specifically: does it all go tits-up if you accidentally rest your hand on the screen in the process of writing (as you would naturally do with a pen and paper)?

it has something called 'palm rejection' - when you're holding the pencil the screen ignores contact from the rest of your hand so you can rest your hand on the screen as you work

Three_Fish - Member
You guys know that the dogs’ faces aren’t what is drawn; right? They’re photographs with either a border (pardon the pun) drawn/blended around or cropped out with a different background.

I ain't getting involved in an other argument about photoshop, but aye this! augmented photography. 😆

FFS! How did I miss that. 😆

Superb. Thanks Drac & Mac. Sounds like exactly the thing for Mrs B. 🙂

just got an email from Apple re. iOS 11... not upgraded yet, but seems to add a lot of functionality to the Pencil & Pro combo which can't be bad!

Not all it’s very very clever and can sense the difference, it’s not a Surface Pro.

Surface Pro 4 has palm detection!

And you can do all these other things with it too - just to make it clear 🙂

Looks like I got a bite.

just got an email from Apple re. iOS 11... not upgraded yet, but seems to add a lot of functionality to the Pencil & Pro combo which can't be bad!

Yup adds some even better features.

You guys know that the dogs’ faces aren’t what is drawn; right? They’re photographs with either a border (pardon the pun) drawn/blended around or cropped out with a different background.

Erm, no. They aren't.

When I say they are freehand, that's exactly what they are. If you bother to look closely at the second dog you'll find tiny differences. She's spends hours on them.

If I really must, I'll show a partially completed one/some workflow when she's in the middle of one.

Cheeky sod 😉

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
You guys know that the dogs’ faces aren’t what is drawn; right? They’re photographs with either a border (pardon the pun) drawn/blended around or cropped out with a different background.
Erm, no. They aren't.

When I say they are freehand, that's exactly what they are. If you bother to look closely at the second dog you'll find tiny differences. She's spends hours on them.

the second one is clearly a photo with an artistic filter applied then bits added. it hasn't been drawn from scratch, it's too accurate.

Don't forget digital photos are huge. She probably zoomed right in to do the fine detail, and on here you are seeing it hugely reduced in size which is why it looks so much like a photo.

I wonder if TAFKASTR can show us a 100% crop?

nup, it's the exact same photo.

the second one is clearly a photo with an artistic filter applied then bits added. it hasn't been drawn from scratch, it's too accurate.

Are you trying to wind me up? I've seen her draw the bloody thing. She hasn't got a clue how to use Photoshop

I thought your wife was bullshitting you, but clearly both of you are at it! 😆

Happy to be proved wrong, I overlayed them in photoshop btw.

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to be fair there [I]are[/I] some differences so I would accept that someone had drawn it over a photo used as a template on an iPad. Although to me that becomes a (impressive) technical exercise rather than an artistic one which is not really my cup of tea (like those incredible photorealistic pencil drawings).

ASSTR, I don't know how these things work- does she draw freehand on a blank page, or is it traced/copied then worked on?

No axes to grind, genuinely curious

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I'll let people decide for themselves.

TAFKASTR - thanks - that is very clearly a drawing, done with the airbrush and pen tools.

Nice work, although not my taste 🙂

Seosamh77 - check out the highlighted speckles on the dog's nose - different. Also some fur on the nose around 5 o'clock, different. Also the right ear (left of picture) is different.

I'll let people decide for themselves.

😆 That's what I was just doing.

Seosamh77 - check out the highlighted speckles on the dog's nose - different.

aye bits added.

I'd want my money back if I was getting a commission, YMMV.

Maybe post the same close-up of the original and drawing? If possible?

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molgrips

Seosamh77 - check out the highlighted speckles on the dog's nose - different. Also some fur on the nose around 5 o'clock, different. Also the right ear (left of picture) is different.

Yes but the outlines of the head, details like whiskers, tongue etc are within a pixel of the photograph.

You are just confirming that it is a drawing..

Yes but the outlines of the head, details like whiskers, tongue etc are within a pixel of the photograph.

Never done any pixel-by-pixel editing? Even I've done that and I'm no artist!

If it to your eyes, carry on. not to mine.

molgrips - Member

You are just confirming that it is a drawing..

Traced directly over the photograph in some art package or other.

You know this has been a thing for years, right? Photorealism? It's a proper genre, has its own wiki page and everything. There's an exhibition of it in the Milwaukee Art museum, with some gigantic wall-sized ones.

Aye and I can tell when it's been done from scratch, there would be a lot more differences, that clearly hasn't.

molgrips - Member

You know this has been a thing for years, right? Photorealism?

Yes there was a lengthy thread about it on here a while back and how pointless it is. Nothing wrong with it as a technical exercise, especially done with traditional media, but really that is not what it is being represented as.

It's either been traced or copied so closely it may as well have been.

So what? Are you trying to win arsehole points for today? Maybe if he posts up his wife's phone number you can call her and be a dick over the phone? You could go really nasty, properly evicscerate her. That'll teach her to do drawings, won't it! You'll be the big man!

Or maybe just take a look at how you come across. Some things are better left unsaid, aren't they?

jimjam - Member
molgrips
Seosamh77 - check out the highlighted speckles on the dog's nose - different. Also some fur on the nose around 5 o'clock, different. Also the right ear (left of picture) is different.
Yes but the outlines of the head, details like whiskers, tongue etc [b]are within a pixel of the photograph[/b].

That's just my bad overly, they match exactly.

molgrips - Member
It's either been traced or copied so closely it may as well have been.

So what?

It's not been traced though, it's an artist filter, then bits added.

molgrips - Member

It's either been traced or copied so closely it may as well have been.

So what?

So what indeed.

It's not been traced though, it's an artist filter, then bits added.

No cos there are bits missing in the drawing as well as added. It's different, as you'd expect.

And in the close-up it's very clearly made up of pen strokes.

I'm out of this shit-fest.

My point has been made, take what you will from it! 😆

You've accused someone of blatant and wilful deception on the internet. FFS.

yip.

happy to apologize if proved wrong.

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Right. I've just had a word, as one not seen one started from scratch. I have seen the work involved though. She'll flick between the two for reference points. 100% not a tracing or any artistic filter though. That's my final word, you lot can argue all day about it if you want. I didn't come on here to sell them, so you can back off with the venom seosamh77

And thanks molgrips

Well, that escalated quickly.

Drac. Lol. 😆

No venom here. Just making a point. 🙂

molgrips - Member
It's either been traced or copied so closely it may as well have been.

So what? Are you trying to win arsehole points for today? Maybe if he posts up his wife's phone number you can call her and be a dick over the phone? You could go really nasty, properly evicscerate her. That'll teach her to do drawings, won't it! You'll be the big man!

Or maybe just take a look at how you come across. Some things are better left unsaid, aren't they?

i'm missed that edit. Some amount of venom right there! 😆 You on commission?

I blame apple products.
Turn people into right *****.

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i*****, shirley?

I was going to ask if it satisfies the Inktober rules, but as this thread seems to have morphed into a similarly bad tempered exchange I'll just let you get on with it.

😆 conclusive.

It's not been traced though, it's an artist filter, then bits added

Ok then, let's say for a minute she DOES trace them, which she doesn't. Which part of your statement above holds true? That is a screenshot she sent her sister (an artist) as a work in progress to ask her opinion. If it's as you say, a filter - do you think she's just gone to the trouble of erasing a bit, then adding a few pencil strokes just to appease a keyboard warrior? Get a grip sunshine

I think she needs to draw an angrier looking dog and give it Seosamh's address.