[Closed] Apparently this Jeremy Clarkson article was pulled

uni's are being forced into state school selective intakes

can you explain how taking consideration of someones schooling i a bad thing and can you show me evidence that uni's are being forced into it rather than wanting it, they want the brightest afterall not the most qualified.

I love the way Clarkson gets the hard-of-thinking frothing at the mouth. Not that's hard here.

I love the way Clarkson gets the hard-of-thinking frothing at the mouth. Not that's hard here.

Is that the morons who agree with him or the muppets that think he matters?

Ernie,

You're such good value to have on these threads; you're so wrong so many times!

UK plc is donald ducked, and it's barely started.

Clarkson, although occasionally irritating would get my vote over any of the half-wits in parliament today.

Mandy; I wouldn't piss on him even if he was on fire. He's a waste of oxygen.

The number of foreign students in English universities is a serious problem. It has got so bad now some classes are way over a 50 50 mix. I have no problem with foreigners but when English children are not educated at their expense then there needs to be a serious shake up of student visas. Half the foreign students don’t have as good grades and can barely speak any English. So why do they get in? Because they pay a much bigger fee then the capped fee and English child pays.
I think this one can be solely blamed on Labour dropping university funding and introducing fees. When a girl with 4 A Alevel cannot get on a vet course in any of her 5 chosen universities but plenty of foreign students can you have a serious problem.

[i]anotherdeadhero - Member

Ah but there is Teej.

The Police spend too much time paperworking, and not enough Policing.[/i]
[b]
"And you have evidence to back this up? Its a favourite of the daily wail brigade but there is nothing to back it up at all. The paperwork is essential to serve the ends of justice. What paperwork do you suggest is not essential?"[/b]

Clickety click Mr Tandem Jeremy: [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5751247/Police-spending-half-their-time-away-from-front-line-as-paperwork-increases.html ]Police spend up to half of their time on paperwork[/url]

UK plc is donald ducked, and it's barely started
Your not wrong! 🙂

Nu Labour - massive disappointment. Clarkson - meets expectations. That is all.

grumm

a moron. Sorry.

I used to find Top Gear/Clarkson quite amusing, but these days he simply comes over as what he is, a boorish public school bully who never grew up.
Its funny to watch the show, Hammond and May are allowed a certain amount of leeway, but we're left with no doubt who the boss is.
As much as I dislike him , he'd be nothing without an audience ( like a lot of bullies)so the people who are worthy of most scorn are the ones who idolise him.
As far as his journalistic opinion goes, you've got to keep in mind that he's a rich, extremely privileged man who'd like to stay that way, so he's hardly representing the interests of 'yer man in the street' any more than Mandelson is.
He can also sit there, spouting populist sh*t from the sidelines, Knowing full well that he'd never have the backbone to offer any solutions - if he went into politics, I suspect he'd quickly get found out, and that would do nothing for his bank account.

I think the mistake people make is to view Clarkson as a 'serious journalist' when he ain't... He's a showman, who plays the c*ck to amuse & entertain (a sort of 'professional c*ck,' I suppose). Most of his written work seems very tongue in cheek and intended to amuse rather than inform - I very much doubt his articles represent his real views.

I was at an industrial dinner last night in London and Mandleson was one of the speakers, such a slimy, god awful politician with a speech that had no charisma or appeal at all.

backhander .....don't worry mate - I've seen the errors of my ways.

Obviously Dr Andrew Sentance who is a member of the Monetary Policy Committee at the the Bank of England and has a PhD in economics, can't possibly have a clue what state the UK economy is in.

From now on I will put my faith in Jeremy Clarkson, who clearly has his finger on pulse of the UK economy
.........I can't imagine why I was so stupid to think otherwise.

Let's just hope that Jeremy Clarkson decides to give up his day job and steps in to save Britain.

Hmmm, George W Bush was the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, does that make him wise? Tony Blair was the leader of our fair isles and lead us into 2 wars, is he wise? (WMD anyone?)
Michael fish was a very well respected and qualified weatherman.
Experts f*** up and are often wrong.

Whereas Clarkson is loved 'cos he's consistantly, unapologetically wrong ALL the time

Despite saying, quote : [i]"No one cares what you think"[/i] you really ought to read my posts, if you want to comment on them backhander.

I said, quote : [i]"Not everyone agrees"[/i]. And I gave Dr Sentance as an example of someone who doesn't agree.

Now you might along with anotherdeadhero, think that Dr Sentance is just one big "hilarious joke", but the Times amongst others, thought that his comments were worthy of atttention.

[url= http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6919323.ece ]UK recession is over, says MPC man Andrew Sentance[/url]

Presumably you think that it is 'hilarious' that the Times should be reporting Dr Sentance's comments, and that they should be just concentrating on Jeremy Clarkson's words of wisdom - eh ?

Clarkson is loved 'cos he's consistantly, unapologetically wrong ALL the time

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7873624.stm ]Clarkson apologises for PM remark[/url]

What???
Where is the "hilarious"ness coming from?
I've never said he's right or wrong just that "experts" are often incorrect and the reason that his comments were paid any attention is because they were disagreed with by the rest of the economic community.
I've also not commented on your posts, just that nobody cares for your opinions.
I like to think that there's a fair bit of tongue in cheek in Clarksons ramblings and what really pisses me off is the normal STW lefty bullies coming out to play.
I suppose the reason I like clarkson is because he punched Piers Morgan in the face. Which makes me a simple commoner (I am a simple commoner).

I'va also not commented on your posts

So I've noticed.

Where is the "hilarious"ness coming from?

In response to the Dr Sentance link = [img] [/img]

what really pisses me off is the normal STW lefty bullies coming out to play

Oh I see..........you're getting "bullied" now, eh ?

Do you think I'm being bullied?
Would you [b]like[/b] to bully me?
Your first 2 quotes and responses make no sense at all.

Clarkson being Clarkson - trying to get a rise and deliberately not understanding what he's talking about.

e.g. "regionally assembled, big-government" - regional assemblies have been abolished, but they were about localism and taking political power away from the (big) centre and devolving it to the regional scale.

Seems to me that Jeremy Clarkson has hits many nails on the head, suddenly i like him and agree with his views. If that makes me a bad person in any way i'll just have to live with it.

You are obviously wholly unimpressed by Dr Andrew Sentance

Thats about he sum of it yeah.

Your suggestion we replace him with Jeremy Clarkson is a really good one. I can't think of a man better qualified than a glib journo and populist entertainer. We should definatly do that. Right away!

And Brian Blessed. He'd get it sorted out, by having a beard and SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY!!!

([i]I'm[/i] the moron, jesus wept, you people don't even appear to be able to read)

We never had all this shxt 20 years ago!

Who screwed this country up?

It's all down to the legion of sanctimonious "peaked caps" we all pointlessly take notice of IMHO.

What we need is a stiff dose of corruption in amongst these people

(no way!)

I've also not commented on your posts, just that nobody cares for your opinions.

Fair play as stupid comments go thats fairly high on the scale.

Ernie

Your reliance on 'experts' to prove a point is admirable, however anyone who has any interest in the financial market can see that we're in a slow-motion train crash.

The 2010 UK Train is heading into Terminal Decline; it jumped the Points of Prudence 2 years ago.

The one eyed spittle-maister really is trying to soil the bed before he's forced out.

Spongebob - Member
We never had all this shxt 20 years ago!

pmsl

Hi ernie.

"No one cares what you think"

'sright...

anagallis_arvensis
You are easily the most boring person on here.

Jeez, it's just Clarkson being a c0ck again. Hardly worth 100+ posts 🙄

I seriously thought about leaving the country if Cameron becomes PM. The prospect is just so depressing.

Not going to though, it's a bit like taking your ball away when you're losing.

The number of foreign students in English universities is a serious problem

Don't foreign students have to pay for all their fees? Isn't that good for our economy? If things are so bad, why do the foreign students want to learn here?

unfortunatly its just an op-ed piece for a paper,you need someone in power to do something about the (serious) points he makes, but it seems no-one in power feels this way, and we all know they don,t listen.

Foreign students pay about three times as much as UK students I think.

They must be saving us a fortune.

mikertroid - Member

Ernie

Your reliance on 'experts' to prove a point is admirable, however anyone who has any interest in the financial market can see that we're in a slow-motion train crash.

The only "point" I was making was that not everyone necessarily agrees that the UK is still in recession.

Now [i][b]you[/b][/i] might question whether Dr Sentance is an "expert" on such matters, however the Times, Guardian, Telegraph, Daily Mail, BBC, and yes, even the Financial Times amongst others, beg to differ ..... they all extensively report his comments.

The Financial Times have quoted him as saying :

[i]“There is enough positive evidence elsewhere to suggest that recovery is getting under way, though it is fragile and in its early stages,” Mr Sentance said, noting that initial estimates of gross domestic product growth were frequently revised and can be particularly unreliable close to turning points in the cycle."[/i]

Now whatever your personal opinions concerning Dr Sentance are, there is little doubt that his job entitles him to have access to information concerning the state of the UK economy, which allows him to make a reasonably well-informed prognosis about it's health - I'm unconvinced that Jeremy Clarkson or some random mountain biker on an internet forum, necessarily have more access to the facts.

Neither do I believe that Dr Sentance's comments warrant the "rolling on floor pissing myself laughing" response of anotherdeadhero. As I think it is highly unlikely that anotherdeadhero will be asked to tag along to the next G8 summit on account that he knows more about the state of the UK economy than the Bank of England.

Just to recap what was said. The Office for National Statistics will issue more detailed figures this month that could lead to a revision of the headline GDP figure. Dr Sentance said, "I would not take a negative signal from the decline recorded in the third quarter"......In other words the UK economy might show a slight growth.

Now I don't know what the more detailed revised figures will show, but I certainly know whose comments I attach most importance to.

Woppit ..... [i]twice[/i] on this thread you have commented that you're not interested in my opinion (in fact I think it's your [u]only[/u] contribution) well there's no need to keep repeating it, I understood the first time, just ignore me
...... I won't mind you know 😉

Chakaping & Coyote,
They may pay more than UK students but surely the whole point of UK educational facilities is to educate UK people not every tom, dick and harry that can pay the most for it. The example earlier where a girl with 4 A's at A level can not get into the 5 universities that she has selected, but foreign students with less grades can is abhorant.

the whole point of UK educational facilities is to educate UK people

And yet we don't mind poaching doctors, nurses, and other health care workers, who have been educated and trained on poor and struggling third world countries, to save our National Health Service from collapsing.

Ernie, you are such a dissapointment.

I don't care what any newspaper publish; the facts are the facts, mate. We've a long way to go before we get to the bottom, let alone the recovery.

But if it keeps you happy the you just believe those clever journos; they're such a bright bunch.

the facts are the facts, mate

What facts are they then?

you just believe those clever journos

Are you saying that the Financial Times journalists are 'lying' and the comments which they attributed to Dr Sentance are false ? 😯

But I don't think you're paying attention mikertroid, I said, quote : [i]"not everyone necessarily agrees"[/i] ..........do try to keep up.

the facts are the facts, mate.

Indeed they are. And yet you don't appear to have offered any. Have you got any "facts" about what the more detailed figures which will be issued this month by the ONS ? Do you know for a "fact" that they won't show even a small growth in the UK economy, eh ?

Ernie, you believe what you want, which is obviously some hack's view.

Fill yer boots!

you believe what you want, which is obviously some hack's view.

Well actually it isn't "some hack's view".

It's the view of a member of the Bank of England’s rate-setting committee.

Presumably you are "disappointed" that anyone should give any credence to this geezer's opinions ?
Do you also extend this contempt to all Financial Times readers ?

BTW, I haven't said what "I believe", merely that not everyone agrees that the UK is still in recession - I'm hardly in a position to make my own independent analysis of the state of the UK economy. I will wait until the ONS releases it figures. In the meantime, I am prepared to accept that they [i]might[/i] show an end to negative growth.

alwyn - Member
The number of foreign students in English universities is a serious problem. It has got so bad now some classes are way over a 50 50 mix. I have no problem with foreigners but when English children are not educated at their expense then there needs to be a serious shake up of student visas. Half the foreign students don’t have as good grades and can barely speak any English. So why do they get in? Because they pay a much bigger fee then the capped fee and English child pays.
I think this one can be solely blamed on Labour dropping university funding and introducing fees. When a girl with 4 A Alevel cannot get on a vet course in any of her 5 chosen universities but plenty of foreign students can you have a serious problem.

Do you work in a university?

Universities have to compete in a global market, but i've never heard of a home student not getting a place because a foreign student was favoured for the extra fees they bring in. Visas for students have been shaken up this year and it is very difficult to get one at the moment - it is costing the sector a lot of money. Plus, given there is a looming demographic problems on the horizon (fewer teenagers) if the university sector is going to continue to produce world leading teaching and research foreign students are going to be essential.

Finally, the idea that foreign students can barely speak English is ludicrous in my experience. More often than not they have better English writing skills than many of the home students (the majority who can't construct a sentence or paragraph correctly).

shands - Member
Chakaping & Coyote,
They may pay more than UK students but surely the whole point of UK educational facilities is to educate UK people not every tom, dick and harry that can pay the most for it

The point of UK universities depends on who you ask. Some think they are for educating and stretching the minds of the young. Some believe they are training facilities for future workers. Others think they perform a socialising function. Whatever you believe, they do operate in a global market these days, and that means attracting foreign students.

The quality of education these foreign students receive is, IME, somewhat questionable. I do stress, IME.

On my photography course there were several students from a variety of nations, some were very dedicated and did well, some less so. A couple really didn't seem to want to be there. Some of the work submitted was unbelievable - one guy [i]regularly[/i] handed in images very obviously photocopied from books - the lecturers barely blinked!!

It annoyed the hell out of those of us who really strove to produce the best work we could, only to see photocopies and hopelessly sub-standard work getting the same marks as our work.

It also meant that these students thought they were doing great work when actually, they should have been kicked off the course.