[Closed] Apparently this Jeremy Clarkson article was pulled

I hate people who do this, but:

I only read the article and not the thread...

It's the ramblings of a thicko. He doesn't even grasp the concept of a political compass. The rest is self centred and intolerant. The vision he proposes is simple and stupid. Nothing attractive about it.

Probably pulled because it's low quality and ugly.

If you are going to set about pulling apart the repugnant likes of Mandy, it
helps if you are not a "Clarkson".

Probably pulled because it's low quality and ugly.

I don't think it was ever pulled - don't know where the OP got that from.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article6907747.ece

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Ernie, like you I'd love to believe that we're pulling out of this mess but unfortunately that isn't the case.

There's been some creative accounting and positive spin (why not we don't want the nation to panic, do we?) but the reality is that the proverbial is about to hit the fan.

I would so love it not to be the case and your 'experts' to be correct. But if they're from the same camp who claim there are only 2.5mil out of work then I'd love to have some of what they smoke!!!

Clarkson probably pays well over a million quid in tax. I reckon that qualifies him to say what he wants

Ernie:

Sentance's comments seem to have no basis and are extremely vague. Just an 'opinion' in the stark reality of an 0.4 % fall in GDP. I know new figures are inbound but I doubt if it'll point to a rise (0.6% below the 'analysts' prediction)!

How on earth can anyone think there is an end in sight when we're still pumping £Bns of borrowed money into the economy; jobless rising, tax income falling, consumer confidence destroyed, weak pound etc etc...

Anyway back to the OP; Clarkson gets my vote-he can see through the bunch of Leftie Loonie ****ts that have scuppered the UK every time they return to power. (I'll conceded that el-gordo didn't CAUSE the meltdown, but he certainly is responsible for our non-recovery by his profligate spending over the last 12 years)

Clarkson probably pays well over a million quid in tax. I reckon that qualifies him to say what he wants

Another dumb post in this thread, Clarkson could say what he liked if he paid no tax, I think what people have objected to is dumb idiots who think his opinions are important, or carry any sort of credability.

The one 'grain of truth' in the article is that everywhere (that I know of) is becoming a less atractive place to live.

But it's not the fault of government. We all bear responsibility.

If you want to live in a nicer, fairer, less greedy world, try being nicer, fairer and less greedy.

The one 'grain of truth' in the article is that everywhere (that I know of) is becoming a less atractive place to live.

The main thing making everywhere less attractive is all the whining, selfish, small-minded, negative people. Hopefully they will put their money where their mouth is and emigrate.

mikertroid - Member

Ernie, like you I'd love to believe that we're pulling out of this mess but unfortunately that isn't the case.

When did I say that "we're pulling out of this mess" ? I said "not everyone necessarily agrees that we are still in recession". What's the matter with you - I know that my English is often far from perfect, but can't you read my posts before commenting on them ?

I said that I was waiting for the revised figures to be released next week from Office for National Statistics. However the revised sales figures released last week are encouraging :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/6605005/UK-retail-sales-grow-at-fastest-rate-since-start-of-recession.html ]UK retail sales grow at fastest rate since start of recession[/url]

And it isn't just the guy at the Bank of England who is optimistic. Apparently that optimism is shared by the general population :

[i]"...the Ipsos MORI poll showed optimism over the economy was at [u]its highest since 1997[/u], suggesting Labour may be benefiting from a return of a feel good factor after the Bank of England predicted a recovery at the beginning of 2010, the paper said.

About 43 percent of the public now believe the economy will perform better during the next year, compared with 23 percent who think it will deteriorate, with 28 percent saying it will stay the same."[/i]

[url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5AK1HO20091121 ]Poll boost for Brown as Tories' lead slashed[/url]

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if they're from the same camp who claim there are only 2.5mil out of work then I'd love to have some of what they smoke!!!

I had forgotten, you are the guy who rejects the UK unemployment figures as defined be the completely neutral Geneva based United Nations agency the ILO. Obviously arguing with you is as futile as arguing with any other conspiracy theorist.

BTW did you take up Junkyard's offer and drop them a line to explain your statistical approach to the issue ?
As Junkyard suggested, Let us know if they change the way they calculate unemployment based on your research.

bigrich - Member

Clarkson probably pays well over a million quid in tax. I reckon that qualifies him to say what he wants

And since the BBC, ie "we", pay him £2million a year, I reckon we are entitled to say what we want about him - eg "shut up".

We are probably also entitled to expect the BBC to pay him no more than a reasonable wage - and not give him bucket loads of our money.

Another dumb anagallis_arvensis in this thread

From the times:

According to official statistics, the employment rate is 74.2 per cent. But the unemployment rate is just 6 per cent – 1,864,000 people. That leaves one person in five unaccounted for: neither employed, nor unemployed…

According to another set of official statistics, the unemployment rate is just above one million… There are 1,071,900 people currently claiming jobseeker’s allowance. Everyone agrees that they are unemployed. But most statisticians also agree that there are plenty of unemployed people who are not on the dole [such as those who don't qualify]…

[ONS methodology] counts people who want to work, are available to work, and are actively seeking employment – based on survey data. This brings the rate for August to October – the earliest period for which data is available – to 6 per cent, the highest since 1999…

For the same period, there were 7.9 million people over 16 and below retirement age who were classed as “economically inactive”; 2 million of those were students; 2.3 million said they were looking after a family or home; and another 2 million were long-term sick. None of them is counted as unemployed, whatever definition is used.

But, when questioned, 2.1 million of them said they would like a job. If they were included, the unemployment rate would rise to just under 4 million.

That proves my point; the ONS figures are based on a strict criteria which wouldn't have applied before it became socially acceptable to sponsor people to do bugger all and saturate Universities with people who are below the 95th centile.

So don't try and patonise the readers here, Ernie. You're sounding like an arrogant cock. (Arrogant = making claims or [u]pretensions[/u] to superior importance or rights)

Dear old Jeremy Clarkson........... the "thinking man's" idiot.

To be fair to the man, I don't think he pretends to be anything other than this. He always strikes me as quite surprised when anyone takes him seriously.

Also some of his points about the cost of environmental measures, and technological regression, whilst politically incorrect, are worthy of debate, and are somewhat ignored at the moment.

I disagree with much of what he says, but I do find the way that he says it quite amusing. We've had loads of left wing political alternative comedians, he's just an example of a right wing one.

According to official statistics, the employment rate is 74.2 per cent. But the unemployment rate is just 6 per cent – 1,864,000 people.

😀 Can you provide me a link to that article please ?

I have only used the unemployment figures as defined by the ILO. Here they are again :

[i]ILO-defined unemployment in July to September was 2.46 million (7.9%) - up by 30,000 unemployed on April-June and 629,000 from this time last year.

The claimant count for key out-of-work benefits was 1.6395 million in Octomber - up by 22,900 on last month, and up 632,700 on last year. [/i]

Read more here :

http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/jobmarket/unemployment.htm

I disagree with much of what he says, but I do find the way that he says it quite amusing.

Me too, it's just when people start to take it seriously...

Break this down:

It’s a lovely idea, to get out of this stupid, Fairtrade

How is Fairtrade a bad thing?

equal-opportunities

Yeah I hate equal opportunities too.

multicultural

Doesn't like foreigners

carbon-neutral

Is he against this because it's a slightly futile token gesture in the face of huge environmental problems, or does he see any attempt at being green as a bad thing?

mosque-drenched

Doesn't like Muslims

all-the-pigs-are-equal, property-is-theft hellhole

Yeah that's why the rich are getting richer and the rich poorer, because we live in a communist state.

Again, it's reasonably amusing, but it's utter nonsense.

Well said Mike (not the bit about calling ernie a cock - dont know enough about him) but knowing the way govts lke to massage figures & how many they are prepared to let drop through the sift I would say the unemployment figure is over 3 mil already..

And guys honesty anyone who thinks we are out of the woods - lay off the dope huh?

Repack, didn't you live in America? How come you came back here if it's so rubbish and economically screwed?

Oh, its quote time!

grumm

Doesn't like foreigners

Doesn't like Muslims

stupid, Fairtrade

I hate equal opportunities

green a bad thing

we live in a communist state

That doesn't even make any sense.

What are your thoughts on equal opportunities and Fairtrade backhander?

I(we) buy fairtrade as much as we can. The co-op own brand ales are very nice.
I'm also all for equal opportunities, as long as they're equal in so much that it should be illegal to discrimate in any form which is not the case at the moment.
Aside from this, I despise "political correctness".

hang on, Brown DID cause the meltdown in our economy (more or less).

as chancellor, he allowed, even encouraged a boom based on debt (buy to let, rising house prices, release of equity, etc.)

just because the american bubble burst first doesn't mean Comrade Gordon is any less to blame for the situation here.

yes, i know we were all part of the problem, we didn't have to borrow and spend all that money, but as chancellor it was his power to stop it, but instead he encouraged it.

even now he's putting off the payback because he's scared it'll make him look bad.

(and i don't think much of the other lot either, any of 'em)

I'm also all for equal opportunities, as long as they're equal in so much that it should be illegal to discrimate in any form which is not the case at the moment

In english or are you all for equal opportunities as long as you are more equal?

<Yawns>
Sorry, did you say something?

no you carry on in your happy little world.

Thought so. Get back in your box.

so your not going to explain what your gibbering means then?

so your not going toZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

as chancellor, he allowed, even encouraged a boom based on debt (buy to let, rising house prices, release of equity, etc.)

just because the american bubble burst first doesn't mean Comrade Gordon is any less to blame for the situation here.

What, you don't think he should have left it all to the "invisible hand of the market" to decide then ?

You think he should have introduced credit controls, house price regulation, taken away the right to buy to let, and generally reduced the freedom of individuals to do as they please ?

Never mind about referring to him as "Comrade Gordon" ..........you sound like a right little commie to me.

Well done geezer 8)

Its funny really if I have a problem with Clarkson and his like its that he spouts shite but never gets taken to task on it as he just plays the dumb ass. You seem somewhat similar backhander.

You're just embarrassing yourself now.
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

So your not going to explain your views on equal opportunities then?

If ernie or even grumm had asked, I might.
But they're either not interested or are intelligent enough to know what I mean. As you are obviously not then no, I won't.

But they're either not interested or are intelligent enough to know what I mean.

I know exactly what you mean, you're insinuating some bullshit about how white men are discriminated against, despite all the evidence showing the opposite, I just can't be arsed listening to it.

See.

So your not going to explain your views on equal opportunities then?

Let me see if I can help you with this one.

Ever since backhader posted this :

backhander - Member

anagallis_arvensis
You are easily the most boring person on here.

Posted 1 day ago # Report-Post

I reckon it's been clear that backhander would rather restrict his comments to just personal insults.

He is probably working on his theory : "Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" And is therefore keeping his mouth firmly shut 💡

But they're either not interested or are intelligent enough to know what I mean

I'm really not very intelligent - despite any evidence to suggest the contrary.

So take it as "not interested".

Ernie, I really don't think that you can criticise people for personal insults now can you?
I actually firmly believe in equal opportunities.
Firms/govt etc etc should not be allowed to "target" any group regardless of colour or kin. The fire service/police etc should not have minority targets put upon them. I don't feel victimised and am certainly not a racist by any stretch. ANY discrimination is wrong.

backhander - Member
ANY discrimination is wrong.

Don't let Mark hear you say that... 😉 🙄

Ernie, I really don't think that you can criticise people for personal insults now can you?

Now that's not really very fair is it ? ....... I've always tried to combine my personal insults with a "point" which I'm trying to make. I accused you on the other hand, of restricting your comments to "just" personal insults.

Having said that, ever since discovering that many punters on here are right posh "polite types", I've tried to cut right down on the personal insult stakes.

Haven't you noticed ?..........it seems like [i]ages[/i] since I last called someone a **** 8)

Don't you know anything? There are two subtle but important points to the Ownership of the Means of Production. The first being that owning the Means of Production is not the same thing as owning physical property, nor is it equal to owning money. Rather OMP refers to a cultural practice in which a few individuals within a larger corporation (or company) control and decide what is done with the entire profit created by that corporation.

You big bum poo.

You big bum poo.

If that was directed at me, I'd rather be called a **** thanks.

And as for me referring to whatshisname as a "right little commie", that was in regard to wanting Brown to interfere and to not allow the market to operate freely.

Nobody, er.... you know.

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@ grumm

I come back here to remind myself how good I have it 😉

I spend about 2/3 of the year in California but I come back to see Family & friends.
ps the UK is sh1t, I used to think it was ok but after a yr of living in the States Ive started to see it for what it is. An over priced, over crowded, dark, unfriendly place where the rich get richer, the political system is bankrupt, the people have NO effective say in the way in which they are governed, a country where the past time seems to be focused on how p1ssed you can get on a Friday night. The US isnt perfect thats for sure but its immeasurably preferable to here.