[Closed] Anyone know about chemtrails?

What about the so-called moon landing?

@ GrahamS

False flags. Making you think that they are too incompentent to make you think that they're making you think what they're making you think. Makes you think, but not what they think they'remaking you think. Something else.

Who knows what really goes on in this world.....

David Icke?

Aye, there's quite a lot of basically sci-fi mad interventions being quietly investigated in case of catastrophic climate change. They're not good options, they're just what you do if you've managed to **** the climate to the point that anything's worth trying. Stuff like salt dumping into the ocean to influence currents (because desalination's a big concern with melting ice, imagine the gulfstream goes north or south...), surface and cloud albedo, propogating algae to soak up more co2... Terraforming earth, essentially.

If we start doing any of this stuff it's because we've screwed up amazingly though.

I doubt it, but it makes for funny banter.

Jesus Christ. That's the line in the sand there, if ever we needed proof. Discussion on STW truly has gone The Full Icke when JHJ is posting forum pages debunking it.

As an aside, I've just done a bit of digging on STW conspiracy-theorists past and present. Far as I can tell the vast majority of them appear to be based in (non-UK) Western European countries.

Makes you think, doesn't it.

Always loved this

That is quite brilliant crashtestmonkey, thanks. 😆

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MY primary kids enjoyed that as well

To quote "oh my god she is so stupid does she not realise water refracts light"

Personally I like the bit where she was amazed the visible spectrum was visible....hard to tell if real or a troll

following some of the related vids (and their comments) is a fascinating/depressing trip down the rabbit hole of conspiracies - you've got UFOs attacking Al Queda, Aliens attacking space shuttles etc before you get into the big stuff like 9/11.

I think the sprinkler one is genuine, but maybe that's what they want me to think 😉

Yep, it's a fascinating world.

I spent a good while delving into some of the Flat Earther videos and it is quite amazing to listen to the ingenious twists of logic and science they come up with to explain away seemingly well-understood every day things (like stars, dawn, time differences, the horizon, satellites, etc).

It's an eye-opening lesson in the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I "recommend" watching some of these channels:

[url= https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS_FY5mR4g22L_E9t1D_ExQ ]Jeranism[/url]
[url= https://www.youtube.com/user/ericdubay77 ]Eric Dubay[/url]
[url= https://www.youtube.com/user/MrThriveAndSurvive/ ]MrThriveAndStrive[/url]
[url= https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMorgile ]TheMorgile[/url]

And of course some, like Orphan Red here, are just adorably bonkers:

But somehow still manage to bring up questions that have interesting scientific answers.

Something has occured to me during the course of the day regarding the [url= https://www.metabunk.org/the-nerc-funded-mst-radar-facility-in-wales-is-not-a-haarp-installation.t3158/ ]'Capel Dewi HAARP'[/url]...

Being as [url= http://ltpa.co.uk/site_range/aberporth/index.asp ]most of Cardigan Bay is used as a weapons testing range [/url]

Aberporth provides a controlled safe environment for the release of land-, air- and sea-launched missile firings as well as instrumentation verification, passive and active IR/RF jamming and the ability to manage supersonic trials activity.

This fully instrumented controlled environment enables the evaluation of air and sea weapons, systems and training

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[url= http://www.fraw.org.uk/mei/musings/2014/20140318-west_wales_drones-ecologist.html ]most recently for drones[/url]:

To assist drone development, the MOD and QinetiQ recently announced[21] the reopening of RAF Llanbedr – fifty miles north of Aberporth, on the coastal edge of the Snowdonia National Park between Harlech and Barmouth. RAF Llanbedr[22] has three runways, and without nearby commercial air traffic the site is safer for experimental aircraft. The drones stored at Llanbedr could use the military range across Cardigan Bay for initial development and testing. The next phase would be to test the drones across more difficult terrain – flying around the mountains, valleys and wind farms of West Wales.

Training military staff in the use of armed drones requires a live firing range. In the past these exercises have been carried out in the USA[23]. The new West Wales drones corridor allows experimental drones, or military staff training with existing drones, to access the firing ranges at Sennybridge. There has been little public discussion of this issue, and no definite statement from the MOD on live firing by drones in Wales. Quite apart from the issue of public safety[24], and the increasing intrusion on military flights into one of Southern Britain's last wilderness areas, these activities raise the issue of the legality of preparing for certain types of drone operation.

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If you had the entire UK in which to build a weather weapon, somewhere near the welsh coast would probably be [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-24801060 ]a good place to test it[/url].

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Disclaimer: In contrast to my posts on child abuse by prominent people, government and media corruption and collusion, which I do truly believe, this is more tongue in cheek.

I'd have thought a better place would be somewhere more remote and very sparsely populated, like the military weapons range at [url= http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets/CapeWrath ]Cape Wrath[/url].

(Been there on a bike tour - cool place).

Nah, they want urban areas to test it on.

I've no evidence to back that up.

Makes you think.

Its the damn Commies messing with the weather in W Europe and the US.

We cannot complain though as then we would have to admit that they stole the tech from the West in the first place and have been using it on them as well..

not worth thinking about.

A much better military weather conspiracy theory is the Lynmouth floods.

I especially love the rainbow in the sprinkler, but Orphan Red is a whole 'nother level of bonkersness.

Great how she posts a load of scientific facts to debunk the science of satellites. If you're so mistrustful of scientists why are you quoting science facts?

I think you have to assume that Orphan Red is a pisstake

She certainly has a [i]unique[/i] presenting style, but I think her beliefs are sincere and she does plenty of research for her videos.

Research? You mean finding other hoax sites to back up her own opnions?

And one of the sites i used to use way back had a proper nutter on it, claimed to have all the data and figures to back up the existence of space lasers being used to heat up the bedrock enough to trigger earth quakes and so on.

Man he was funny.

Trowbridge H. Ford

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Trowbridge_Ford

You mean finding other hoax sites to back up her own opnions?

No, not entirely. Watch her videos. She does the maths and, as mentioned earlier, points out what she sees as inconsistencies in the science.

Most of the good ones do this. They make a strong case for experimenting and doing the calculations yourself (which is to be applauded), but the methods or calculations they then use and/or the conclusions they draw are deeply flawed - though obviously I would say that as a blind close-minded sheep 🙂

By questioning everything they do sometimes ask some good questions that have genuinely interesting scientific explanations.

I think you have to assume that Orphan Red is a pisstake

Yup her body language certainly suggests so.

I've met Buzz Aldrin, seemed a nice chap. Like him more now, gave that pillock a good smack. I suspect that no sense was knocked into the idiot.

S'just more filthy exhaust fumes innit?
clearly remember the days that all flights were grounded due to that Icelandic volcano..

Beautiful blue skies man..Beautiful
I haven't seen that colour blue since I was a nipper.. I could have wept as the planes went up again and we watched those beautiful skies disappear behind a milky haze

maccruiskeen - Member
because then anyone trying to debunk it will of course be part of the conspiracy.
It's rubbish
So you're part of the conspiracy!

Chemtrails can be debunked even quicker: the global elite all breathe the same air as us, so why the hell would they poison it? It makes no sense.

its obvious,

global etite are aliens , earth atmoshpere is a bit toxic to them so they fix.

simples

molgrips - Member

If you're so mistrustful of scientists why are you quoting science facts?

People who want to attack religion often quote from religious texts. It makes sense to go after internal illogic/inconsistency.

Count zero..

Naah mate, coastal Devon

We get plenty clear skies here too funnily enough, but the depth of colour and the heat from the sun was unprecedented in those few days..
If you don't get it you weren't there man.. You weren't there

In other news, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but if the rumours circulating about Stanley Kubrick's recent confession turn out to be true it will be extremely satisfying to see egg on the faces of certain smug, self satisfied tossers 🙂

if the rumours circulating about Stanley Kubrick's recent confession turn out to be true it will be extremely satisfying to see egg on the faces of certain smug, self satisfied tossers

Sorry yunki, even the Flat Earthers spotted that the Kubrick "confession" was a hoax.

Makes you think

🙁

*smug mode* 8)

We get plenty clear skies here too funnily enough, but the depth of colour and the heat from the sun was unprecedented in those few days.

A bit odd that, seeing as the reason why the planes weren't flying was because of the amount of volcanic dust there was in the air.

your mum's a bit odd

Don't worry yunki, the Kubrick things is currently trending nicely on social media and, as expected, many people are lapping it up with little or no analysis.

In a year or two's time no one will remember it was demonstrated to be a hoax. They'll just remember that Kubrick "confessed" and the moon landings were [i]definitely[/i] fake.

And that's how good conspiracy theories evolve.

After all the fuss and investment, given vast advances in technology, when was the last time anyone went to the moon?

Why would they? What's to be gained in going back now?

The whole thing was political anyway; JFK wanted to do it before the Russians did. And it's hardly a wasted investment; the technologies developed during Apollo and prior were the foundations of the Shuttle programme as well as having far-reaching impacts in all manner of other industries.

Surely if they went back now, it would lead to further advances, perhaps paving the way for further space travel. Could probably commercialize it too~ Disneyland moon would be a total cash cow.

Imagine if just made a few boats were made, sailed one at a time to the Americas, to come home again and never go back...

Hang on, that would've saved a whole lot of bloodshed...

Errr, well imagine if just a few cars were made, driven to the other end of the island, then parked up in the garage and forgotten about

Hang on, the air would be a whole lot cleaner now and there'd be less competition for resources from the world's military powers...

Maybe we should go back to running around in the nude and living in caves

Why spend billions getting to the moon again when we've been there already and found nothing worth going back for? There are many more interesting places to go.

It wouldn't silence the moon-conspiratists anyway because they'd just claim it was all fake.

Much the same as the Flat Earthers who regularly support their case by saying there are "no pictures of Earth from space". If you show them one then they say it's fake.

I've never understood why, if the Apollo 11 moon landing was faked successfully, did they fake them again another 4 or 5 times? Why risk being found out?

Sorry if mentioned in other posts.... They bang on about chemtrails however wouldn't it be more effective just to put stuff in car fuel instead

Sorry if mentioned in other posts.... They bang on about chemtrails however wouldn't it be more effective just to put stuff in car fuel instead

Shush now, with your logic and wotnot.

We'll have none of that.

they do...there's stuff in car fuel that when its burnt disruprts weather patterns, causes floods and droughts and melts icecaps.

There's a few studies showing that removing Lead from petrol has reduced violent crimes or some such, makes you think...

Yep
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis

Chemtrails are made up of ash from coal fired power plants. It's true because it's on the internet and there are graphs and everything...

There are even people with letters after their name that believe it, so it must be true.

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/07/20/could-chemtrails-actually-be-coal-ash-sprayed-from-planes/

and finally the koch brothers and big oil are some how mixed up in it, to prevent the public fully understanding the truth behind climate change, or Princess Di, or something.

Surely if they went back now, it would lead to further advances, perhaps paving the way for further space travel.

Only someone with no understanding of the physics and economics of it would say that..

We got solid white chemtrail stuff coming out of the sky, its building up in a layer all over the place. someone knows it bad for us cos they keep shovin it out the way with tractors an lorries. Why the puttin salt on it? Wot they tryin to do? Wots goin on? People keep sayin its called snow but how do they know, its weird all white everyplace. There somat dodgy goin on here.

Chemtrails "my arse".

Critical thinking should be incorporated in to the National Curriculum. Especially with sheer weight of absolute shite available on the Internet.

Subscribing to absurd conspiracy theories, believing in religion, not 'believing' in evolution, alkaline diets, homeopathy or miracle cancer cures could all be neutralised by an ability to assess quality/weight/source of evidence.

A common theme with these people seems to be they have a narrative and seek 'evidence' to reinforce that narrative and no amount of real evidence can dissuade them. The irony is they call themselves sceptics but they're the opposite of sceptical.

Chemtrailing is real. We're always intentionally being sprayed http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

After all the fuss and investment, given vast advances in technology, when was the last time anyone went to the moon?

The role of Kubrick in discussing the faked moon landings falls down on one small detail and people look to Kubrick because he'd made visually convincing films of space travel before that kind space travel was a reality.

Its a a tiny detail people overlook when they propose that the moon landings were faked - and thats despite how great an achievement it was to land on the moon at the time it would have been a far greater achievement to have hoaxed it. The technology to screen that hoax worldwide for the duration they were screened for didn't exist.... didn't even nearly exist.