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Someone told me they're rife the world over but is it just another conspiracy? Apparently the trails are quite different from contrails.
Have you tried Google?
I live under a flight path. I believe any old rubbish. Coincidence?
Someone told me...
They lied.
I'm far more worried about the foreign substances which are introduced into our precious bodily fluids via the water treatment plants.
I'm far more worried about the foreign substances which are introduced into our precious bodily fluids via the water treatment plants.
Theres a homeopathic remedy for that - as part of a public health initiative the government mixes it in with aviation fuel
They lied.
That's what they want you to think.
.... the government mixes it in with aviation fuel
Did you know that aviation fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel?
Just saying like.
A friend of mine used to work at the met office and 3 years ago moved to San Francisco working for NASA on atmosphere projects (I'm not clever enough to understand the whole thing).
She says anyone who believes chemtrails is a complete imbecile.
Of course she works for the man so must be lying!
Where is he? Has he been got to?
Makes you think.
It's been going on for decades!
She says anyone who believes chemtrails is a complete imbecile.
Well ask her to explain what was in those planes on 9/11 which caused such an intense fire that it brought down the Twin Towers?
We know that couldn't have been just aviation fuel.
believes chemtrails is a complete imbecile.
Well ask her to explain what was in those planes on 9/11 which caused such an intense fire that it brought down the Twin Towers?We know that couldn't have been just aviation fuel.
This is an attempt at humour? Or are you serious?
have a look here
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
dont know muc about it myself...
carry on with smart ass comments below 🙂
How come They always tell you not to stick your fingers in a mains socket?
What are they trying to hide, eh? Makes you think, doesn't it?
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1. your fingers will not fit into a socket, just chew into a cable that is plugged in.
2. nothing hidden AFAIK?
3.you can stop thinking now.
I feel this thread is missing someone.........
This is an attempt at humour?
You think there's something funny about 9/11 ? You think it's some sort of joke?
debunked in under 3 minutes
Yeah right. I listened right up to the bit where he claimed how many aircraft would be required to make the chemtrails effective.
How can he know that?
Other than it would require all aviation employees since the 1950's (when planes regularly flew high enough to cause them) to be in a water tight conspiracy whilst 'the man' poisoned us, without breakng silince or presenting any real evidence, very little
Someone told me they're rife the world over but is it just another conspiracy? Apparently the trails are quite different from contrails.
I'll bet they even showed you a YouTube video to back it up. Chemtrails are the invention of idiots who'll believe any crap if there's supposed to be a conspiracy behind it, because then anyone trying to debunk it will of course be part of the conspiracy.
It's rubbish, [i]contrails[/i] are produced by a combustion engine burning petrochemical fuels that are highly refined, and contain various additives along with lubricating oils; any analysis of a contrail/vapour trail is going to show trace amounts of a whole cocktail of exotic materials.
Before you start believing what some jackass with poor social skills and even poorer diet and personal hygiene whose living in his parents basement says on YouTube, I suggest you google 'vapour trails over London world war two' and see what you get in images.
Of course, the conspiracy theorists would have you believe that instead of fighting Nazi aircraft, they were really just trying to...
Actually, what is it that these 'chemtrails' [i]are[/i] supposed to do?
Contrails, just by the nature of them being water vapour at high altitude can, by their very nature, affect the weather, if conditions are right, they spread into cirrus clouds, and can cool the earth's surface down, as proven by the increase in surface temperatures after 9/11 when aircraft were grounded for a number of days.
Here's some references I keep handy just for people like you:
Vapour trails over London during WW2
http://contrailscience.com/fightercontrails-over-kent-1941/
http://contrailscience.com/chemical-analysis-of-contrails/
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From the book “Flight To Arras” by Antoine de Saint Exupery, written in 1942 about a military mission in 1940:
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“Are the anti-aircraft firing, Dutertre?”
“I believe they are firing, Captain.”
Dutertre cannot tell. The bursts are too distant and the smoke is blended in with the ground. They cannot hope to bring us down by such vague firing. At thirty three thousand feet we are virtually invulnerable. They are firing in order to gauge our position, and probably also to guide the fighter groups towards us. A fighter group diluted in the sky like invisible dust.
[b]The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.
The fighters are guided towards us by their radio, by the bursts on the ground, and by the ostentatious luxury of our white scarf.[/b] Nevertheless we swim in an emptiness almost interplanetary. Everything around us and within us is total immobility.”
This is an attempt at humour? Or are you serious?
9/11 wasn't funny. The conspiracy theorists are. That is what ernie was referencing.
well ask her to explain what was in those planes on 9/11
chemtrails and 9/11 in one conspiracy....
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If watch F1 racing...just occasionally you'll see small contrails appear on the tips of the rear wings of the cars. Has to be quite humid mind. Nothing to do with engines...Same mechanism that ccauses wingtip contrails on aircraft as distinct from engine contrails.
because then anyone trying to debunk it will of course be part of the conspiracy.
It's rubbish
So you're part of the conspiracy!
That's what they want you to think.
Maybe they want you to think that that's what they want you think?
I reckon the ballast barrels you can see in that Wiki article are a big part of why this has gained so much traction.
I'm not a chemist or anything, but it seems pretty unlikely that distributing whatever you're trying to dose the population with* from high flying airliners (or planes [i]pretending[/i] to be airliners) is a better method in any respect than just sticking it in the water or something.
*If that is what's supposed to be happening.
I also live under a flight path so my mind is not my own... 🙂
I worked with a very devout Christian who was also a big fan of conspiracy theories. Chem trails was just one of many .
The highlight for me was The Black Pope & The Satanic layout of Washington DC.
gwaelod - MemberIf watch F1 racing...just occasionally you'll see small contrails appear on the tips of the rear wings of the cars. Has to be quite humid mind. Nothing to do with engines...Same mechanism that ccauses wingtip contrails on aircraft as distinct from engine contrails.
Or the front wing, if you're RedBull...
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Contrails, just by the nature of them being water vapour at high altitude can, by their very nature, affect the weather, if conditions are right, they spread into cirrus clouds, and can cool the earth's surface down, as proven by the increase in surface temperatures after 9/11 when aircraft were grounded for a number of days.
See? Chemtrails are an attempt by Big Oil to prevent public panic about global warming which is why they've already bought up and suppressed the new clean energy sources. He just admitted it, in so many words.
As more and more sheeple wake up to the obvious fact that the earth is flat, They are responding by increasing the chemtrails and ISIS.
Apparently 😯
What size of tyres to make the chemtrails come alive?
Bad news: [i]They[/i] have started spraying the UK too now:
As always, it seems to be that one or two things based on true events spawn a big load of old bollox
In the sixties they certianly did run trials, releasing Chem and bio warfare simulation agents from planes (and boats etc.) to study their dispersal and how easy it would be to use them. Given the time this seems perfectly prudent.
Somehow of course it's morphed into "chemtrails""
nothing to see here
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Rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. Both the US and Russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use.
Environmental modification techniques have been applied by the US military for more than half a century. US mathematician John von Neumann, in liaison with the US Department of Defense, started his research on weather modification in the late 1940s at the height of the Cold War and foresaw ‘forms of climatic warfare as yet unimagined’. During the Vietnam war, cloud-seeding techniques were used, starting in 1967 under Project Popeye, the objective of which was to prolong the monsoon season and block enemy supply routes along the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
The US military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. The technology, which is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is an appendage of the Strategic Defense Initiative – ‘Star Wars’. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems around the world.
Weather-modification, according to the US Air Force document AF 2025 Final Report, ‘offers the war fighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary’, capabilities, it says, extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes: ‘Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally… It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog and storms on earth or to modify space weather… and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of [military] technologies.’
I'll link your source since you didn't see the need: [url= http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf ]Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025, Air Force 2025, (Aug 1996)[/url]
It's a declassified blue-sky futurologist "what if" hand-wavey research paper, interesting sci-fi stuff but pretty far from a blueprint for controlling the weather.
capabilities, it says, extend to the triggering of floods, hurricanes, droughts and earthquakes
How does weather create earthquakes?? The report makes no mention of earthquakes at all.
And as for the other stuff it specifically says [i]"Extreme and controversial examples of weather modification—creation of made-to-order weather, large-scale climate modification, creation and/or control (or "steering") of severe storms, etc. — were researched as part of this study but receive only brief mention here because, in the authors’ judgment, the technical obstacles preventing their application appear insurmountable within 30 years"[/i]
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nothing to see hereThat was the only accurate thing you wrote.
Do you believe in doctor who as well?
It's a declassified blue-sky futurologist "what if" hand-wavey research paper, interesting sci-fi stuff but pretty far form a blueprint for controlling the weather.
But i want a mad man who can cause earthquakes from his underground volcano lair
yes well you are unlikely to find a blueprint for anything like that on 'tinternet. 😀
Might find them on the secure military servers.
Or in the design schemes for at least one of the major manufacturers.
Or while wandering round aeroplane factories.
Nope, nope, nope. As i believe the saying goes.
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probably a perfectly innocent research facility.
How does weather create earthquakes??
not weather but other hand-vavey sci-fi stuff.. there does seem to be some relationships that are not fully understood?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7435324.stm
Not fully understood by conspiracy theorists would be my guess.
your guess is as good as anyones!
Its not even a research facility, its a floating radar station for the US west coast to be used to monitor traffic in a region they done have ground stations.probably a perfectly innocent research facility.
S'just more filthy exhaust fumes innit?
clearly remember the days that all flights were grounded due to that Icelandic volcano..
Beautiful blue skies man..Beautiful
I haven't seen that colour blue since I was a nipper.. I could have wept as the planes went up again and we watched those beautiful skies disappear behind a milky haze
iffoverload - Stuff
ZOMG!! Do you think the Cumbrian floods were caused by a knock on effect because they're using this weapon system to create a drought in Syria to destabilise the region?!?!?one?
probably a perfectly innocent research facility.
Or more likely an SBX-1 missile-defence radar station:
Funnily enough, right next to one of our local trail spots is [url= https://www.metabunk.org/the-nerc-funded-mst-radar-facility-in-wales-is-not-a-haarp-installation.t3158/ ]a radar facility which some people have likened to HAARP[/url]
Could this have anything to do with the 2006 [url= http://www.geologywales.co.uk/storms/bowstreet.htm ]Bow Street Tornado[/url], just a couple of miles away?
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(Or the storm which felled vast swathes of trees and trashed 2 of our local riding spots in Jan 2014?)
I doubt it, but it makes for funny banter.
😆 jive does it best!
Anyway pretty sure nobody here really knows anything about any of this first hand, funny comments are funny, believe what you like!
interesting reply from USAF @ 3:00
There does seem to be a growing trend that [i]any[/i] phenomenon that can't be easily explained to five year old in less than a minute must be some kind of global NWO conspiracy.
See chemtrails, flat earth, perpetual motion, satellites, terrorists, magnets, hadron collider, basic physics, etc etc
One step closer to Idiocracy.
but why do these conspiracy theorists do this? they only open themselves up to ridicule...
many seem to be perfectly rational educated people as well.
I'm not a conspiracy nut but... is it not the case that official statements,scientific reports and media coverage in the past have actually turned out to be complete lies and ass covering or just turned out to be plain incorrect etc?
is it not the case that official statements,scientific reports and media coverage in the past have actually turned out to be complete lies and ass covering or just turned out to be plain incorrect etc?
Examples?
And of those examples, how many of those were exposed by randoms shouting at YouTube videos in their mum's basement?
Is it not some sort of #enduro slang? Oh man, I totally railed that chemt.
I've said before about conspiracy theories; the thing I like most is their ability to contradict themselves yet coexist. So you can find people who think that HAARP is simultaneously 2 or 3 different, sekrit things- and it doesn't matter to them, because what's important is that you contradict the official story. So you can totally believe that it's a mind control weapon, AND that it shot down a TWA plane, AND that it causes gulf war syndrome, simultaneously. In fact, it's even better because it contradicts the official version 3 times.
Luckily I am married and therefore I get told what to believe without worrying about all this conspiracy guff.
Is it possible your wife is a lizard from the holomoon?
Being reptilian would explain why my girlfriend's feet are so cold.Is it possible your wife is a lizard from the holomoon?
is it not the case that official statements,scientific reports and media coverage in the past have actually turned out to be complete lies and ass covering or just turned out to be plain incorrect etc?
Yes, but that doesn't make the conspiracy nutters any more correct. If I can't find my phone, then accuse my wife of moving it & it subsequently transpires she didn't: It doesn't mean that the Government did it.
But i want a mad man who can cause earthquakes from his underground volcano lair
Just get Footflaps to build a new shed, put Binners inside and supply Curry with Garlic Naarn.
Job jobbed.
Plus there is a [i]bit[/i] of a difference between a small government department creatively massaging some figures to make them look good and an international conspiracy to project an artificial sky, convincing sheeple that the world is round and that outer space exists.
but why do these conspiracy theorists do this? they only open themselves up to ridicule
It's a side effect of living in an increasingly irreligious environment. Now that you can't blame the devil, you go for the next most evil option and not the next most rational or evidenced option,
tinybits - Member
A friend of mine used to work at the met office and 3 years ago moved to San Francisco working for NASA on atmosphere projects (I'm not clever enough to understand the whole thing).
She says anyone who believes chemtrails is a complete imbecile.
Of course she works for the man so must be lying!
Similarly I have a friend who works at the Met office with a very similar opinion. (They must all be indoctrinated!) Apparently one guy occasionally protests about their role in the chemtrail conspiracy outside of their Exeter HQ. Just the one guy, though.
Yes, but that doesn't make the conspiracy nutters any more correct. If I can't find my phone, then accuse my wife of moving it & it subsequently transpires she didn't: It doesn't mean that the Government did it.
makes you think though, doesn't it.
Now that you can't blame the devil, you go for the next most evil option and not the next most rational or evidenced option,
TO be fair we do know our govt has done conspiracies against us and has lied and misled us. The problem is they see it at every big event from JFK through to moon landings to 9/11. One rarely meets a conspiracist who only believes in one conspiracy and thinks the rest are BS though the evidence does support the view they often mislead.
some of the [s]attempts to sound clever and funny[/s] replies on here are less convincing than the majority of conspiracy theorist's drivel! kinda amusing nevertheless.
must be a bad day for the STW massive. might not be a worthy topic but still...
Can anyone explain why "The Man" wants us to believe to world is round? I can't actually think of a reason why it would actually matter either way but the Flat Earthers are convinced The Man is ****ing with us, the never tell me why though.
hmmm,if the world was round then all the trails should be kinda downhill.
i think.
some of the [s]attempts to sound clever and funny[/s] replies on here are less convincing than the majority of conspiracy theorist's drivel!
they're really really not
i think.
You didn't.
BRITNEY SPEARS does.
GrahamS - MemberExamples?
And of those examples, how many of those were exposed by randoms shouting at YouTube videos in their mum's basement?
I cannot really verify any details but you get the idea
of course this may have been done on imovie by some college kid. 🙂
tip of iceberg?
Drac - Moderatori think.
You didn't.
why so mean?
if you were thinking you would know 😉
I was thinking that nobody would consider responding with that obvious and lame remark for more that 2 seconds, nevermind take the time to post it.
😛
iffoverload - Memberbut why do these conspiracy theorists do this? they only open themselves up to ridicule...
The point is to know something other people don't. (*) Ridicule is just other people showing their ignorance. There'd be no point if you never got a reaction.
(* and it's too hard to do this with actual facts, if you want to know things other people don't it's easiest just to make shit up)
I cannot really verify any details but you get the idea
I really don't think you need to. They are all pretty well known and documented:
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident ]Gulf Of Tonkin incident (1964)[/url]
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal ]Watergate scandal (early 1970s)[/url]
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair ]The Iran Contra affair (late 1980s)[/url]
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal ]Monica Lewinsky scandal (1998)[/url]
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay ]Guantánamo Bay (ongoing and a pretty dubious inclusion!)[/url]
What each of these clearly demonstrate is that nothing much stays secret for long and the more people you have involved the more likely it is to quickly become public knowledge (just ask Edward Snowden).
Yet people think "The Man" can cover-up daily spraying of populations with "chemicals" and the massive task involved in maintaining the illusion that the earth is round and that space exists. Despite the fact both of these would require tens of thousands, if not millions, of people to be complicit.
What each of these clearly demonstrate is that nothing much stays secret for long and the more people you have involved the more likely it is to quickly become public knowledge
What about the so-called moon landing?
I've seen these things spread across the sky turning what was a blue sky day into a cloudy ether when they all merge together......whatever it is, it looks a bloody mess!!
Who knows what really goes on in this world.....didnt something come out at that recent climate change conference where someone said something that eluded to the fact that they could spray metal particles into the atmosphere to counter global warming....it was early in the morning on Radio 4, i was still half asleep!