[Closed] Anti Lance-ism gone too far?

There are increasing doubts about Livestrongs track record on distributing money received, though.

they seem to be giving out about 10% of what they get in.

Given how closely their 'brand' was linked to Lance it's not surprising it's practices are coming under scrutiny too.

OK, I may have to back down and apologise...

I'm not too sure what livestrong actually does. Raise awareness of Cancer?
Were people not aware of cancer before?

Their headline programme appears to be -

Anti-Stigma Campaign

This pilot campaign will launch in South Africa and Mexico in 2010. The campaign seeks to raise awareness of the global cancer burden and reduce the stigma associated with cancer through culturally relevant and targeted messaging.

!?

The only place I've seen talk about what valuable work the Livestrong foundation does is the Livestrong website...

Already been posted several times already on the main LA thread, but this is required reading on Livestrong:

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all

TLDR version - they've reduced the amount spent on research, but on balance do still do plenty of worthwhile things, considering their small scale in relation to the big cancer charities. Whether that's the best use of the money is another question. (No fan of Armstrong, just trying to be fair)

They fly people around the world first class, to tell people that theres something called cancer.

by Livestrong do you mean the lance Armstrong Foundation to give it its full and proper name ?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lance+Armstrong+Foundation&oq=lance+Armstrong+Foundation&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

are you really surprised that LA recent issues have had an impact

FWIW i have thought for a long time it is about the promotion of LA as a good guy as much as it is about helping those affected by Cancer
Its aims are to raise awareness about cancer survivability - that hardly makes it clear WTF it actually does or how it directly helps tbh.
IMHO there are better and more worthy charities in this area though I am sure he has never done anything illegal.
However the claim is that he benefits , in business, indirectly from the high profile of this organisation and the view it provides of him working tirelessly for cancer- its hard to argue against this tbh.

Jimmy Saville also wore Oakleys

I'm hoping for some cheap livestrong kit.. I like the black and yellow look!

wwaswas - Member

they seem to be giving out about 10% of what they get in.

CITATION NEEDED

Interesting the carefully constructed PR decisions of his sponsors to distance themselves from him, but publicly remain linked to Livestrong. I give it 2 years max before they all have a "realignment of their charitable relationships" and quietly drop Livestrong from their supported causes.

they've reduced the amount spent on research, but on balance do still do plenty of worthwhile things, considering their small scale in relation to the big cancer charities. Whether that's the best use of the money is another question. (No fan of Armstrong, just trying to be fair)

Read that article a while ago. I was really ready to heavily criticise, but actually found - from that - criticism harder to make in any specidi way, other than considering it to be an indirect Armstrong political lobbying machine.

But now he's f---ed that up.

As Emma O'Reilly said, Lance is "too Alpha".

IT was on twitter, it must be true 🙂

Although I can't find the tweet now it was a 'reliable' one.

I'm hoping for some cheap livestrong kit.. I like the black and yellow look!

+1

Having had and lost a pair of Radars I can't be bothered to buy another pair full price, but would quite like to get another pair. They'll complement the Jawbones and the Flak Jackets I've got!

There's a thread on BR where somebody feels they have to get rid of their Oakleys because of LA. That's going a bit far, although I can see how you might not want to wear your US Postal or Livestrong kit again.

I'm getting rid of all my calf length black socks.

Guilt by association.

I'm going to get rid of my Stretch Armstrong now. I simply can't face his cheesy grin and yellow hair any more

although I can see how you might not want to wear your US Postal or Livestrong kit again.

Why, In case someone thinks our doping for your Sunday ride ?

He cheated at bike racing, he's not a child murderer.

I think people need to get a sense of perspective.

In other news, in a knee jerk decision by NASA, Buzz Aldrin has now been named as the First Man on The Moon, after Armstrong was disqualified "just in case"

I've got some EPO that I refuse to use now that it's wrong

- anyone in ??

I'm not a professional, but I like the sound of being faster by doping, should I ask Lance for advice?

The scale of his deception has shocked a lot of people. He almost made an industry out of his cheating which has caused a lot of main stream interest and jornos will be crawling all over everything he is associated with. He could have just held his hand up an apologised at any time in the last year or so but he is still brassing it out which is winding people up further.

He has brought and continues to bring it on himself. Nothing more to say.

I wore my Bicycle Academy jersey in a race last weekend, and a couple of people called me a "cheating Lance w--ker".

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I felt a bit like a paediatrician who suddenly finds their house surrounded by a baying mob.

Mr Agreeable - Member
I wore my Bicycle Academy jersey in a race last weekend, and a couple of people called me a "cheating Lance w--ker".

no, i was just calling you a w*+ker... 😉

2006 Trek Madone for sale. Used to be retro cool, now just feel dirty...

I've got a pair of dx fakeleys, red and black but with 'Livestrong' on the inside of one of the arms. I am 100% confident that none of my money made it to the charity. So have they now gone up in value??

pjt201 - Member
'Mr Agreeable - Member
I wore my Bicycle Academy jersey in a race last weekend, and a couple of people called me a "cheating Lance w--ker".'
no, i was just calling you a w*+ker...

😆

What is the Bicycle Academy? In my mind it's wonderous.

http://www.thebicycleacademy.org/

Mragreeable, I'm sure it will help for you to know that anyone calling you that because of a cycle jersey you happened to be wearing, is clearly a f****** halfwit and there opinion should treated with contempt.

(But I'm sure you knew that already)

I'm not a professional, but I like the sound of being faster by doping, should I ask Lance for advice?

No you need Dr Michele Ferrari, although he may be tied up with some matters elsewhere for a wee while

Anyone want to buy a Livestrong Gilet in Large and some Nike Livestrong shorts and a dryfit t shirt, don't really want to advertise his brand anymore!

£10 for the Gillet ?

Sell them and give money raised to Cancer Research UK?

nealglover - Member

Why, In case someone thinks our doping for your Sunday ride ?

He cheated at bike racing, he's not a child murderer.

I think people need to get a sense of perspective.

Agreed.

I had a twix before the commute tonight. My own cheating!

lemonysam - Member
Sell them and give money raised to Cancer Research UK?

Careful now, this is how I started to become unpopular apparantly.... (see OP).

I think this will go on for a bit. Never cared either way for the man himself but then I never followed the TdF. I think Livestrong is a good cause and I'll still wear their stuff. Which will probably get a lot cheaper now.

If anybody has a Remedy that they don't feel they can ride anymore you can swap it for my Spech Enduro frame if you want.

Anyone want my bikes, I'm taking up competetive eating. I need to binge because I'm so depressed, but need to remain competetive.

I still run in my Livestrong top, do feel a bit awkward wearing it now.

Its ok they all cheated. He was just the best at cheating.

Keep your kit. I doubt (insert large UK charity name) gives anywhere near 100% to the causes that they banner.
Anyone know an average?

He cheated at bike racing, he's not a child murderer.

I think people need to get a sense of perspective

not a child murderer but not "just" a cheat either. His actions towards the likes of Simeoni, Bassons, Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu would suggest he is at least a bully, more likely a sociopath.

Livestrong income ~$450M, only ever spent $20M on research, the rest is spent on "empowering" and "inspiring" and "raising awareness". I understand they may actually fund useful hands-on stuff like nurses, but a substantial amount goes on ethereal stuff; have a look at their website and many of their initiatives and programs are woolly marketing guff with little substance. Their inspiring seems to be running seminars, conferences etc where Lance and his cronies (eg. Phil Liggett) are paid to speak.

I feel my Armstrong and Miller Box set, being associated with 2 drug cheats, is completely tarnished, and it will be on ebay 99p no reserve...

the rest is spent on "empowering" and "inspiring" and "raising awareness"

Its ok they all cheated. He was just the best at cheating.

I doubt (insert large UK charity name) gives anywhere near 100% to the causes that they banner.

http://fakecharities.org/ seem to look into a few but it's about lobbying rather than financial records i think (no idea how accurate they are just read a couple of pages a few years back)

Its progress now could you learn that they did not all cheat?
It may have been the majority but it was certainly not them all

According to Tylers book (make of this what you will) The 2005 French national doping testing labs retrospective study of the 1999 tour Lance tested positive from samples for Stages 1,9,10,12, and 14.

These are the positives Lance claimed to be tampered with. Countered by Dr Micheal Ashenden stating that tampering would be beyond astronomical.

Of the other 81 samples from the rest of the peleton 7 tested positive 8.6%

Hora were they all doing blood transfusion too? (Not even all of the US Postal team were according to Tyler)

I think the people dumping their Livestrong stuff are the people who thought he was clean. It's probably as much of purging themselves of the realisation of how monumentally taken in they were as showing they're nothing to do with him.

Hora were they all doing blood transfusion too? (Not even all of the US Postal team were according to Tyler)

~Then they weren't team players 😆

Hilarious. How can you say that everyone was doping when its clear that they weren't though? Few were on as much stuff as Larry.

Hilarious. How can you say that everyone was doping when its clear that they weren't though?

So you are now saying only a select few were? Or shall we just assume that more were but kept quiet as they were never caught? Remember George admitted and he never tested positive...

Why shoot yourself if you got off scott-free?

Only a select few seem to have been doing transfusions. As I've said, not all of LA's team were. Sure loafs of them were, but the likes of Evans have never been linked to anything dodgy, and he was up against LA-is it fair that LA cheated him out of a probable two tour victories?

Its ok they all cheated. He was just the best at cheating.

Apart from the ones that weren't cheating who he bullied and hounded out of the sport.

I can't believe you're [i]still[/i] trying to defend him - ridiculous.

No response Hora?

Hilarious. How can you say that everyone was doping when its clear that they weren't though? Few were on as much stuff as Larry.

Given that you can't prove a negative, it's impossible for anyone to prove they haven't doped. So no one really knows, you just decide if you want to take someone's word that they're clean.

Kryton57 I think you need to relax over this and go and have a relaxing ride