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Is this the beginning of the end of something that never really began? I truly hope so. Thankfully I can't get it on Freeview and I'm not going looking for it on YouTube so haven't watched at all, but judging by some of the headline names the channel really does deserve to just dwindle into nothingness
Rats jumping off a sinking ship.
the income from advertising for joining a horse owning syndicate probably not able to pay his wages.
It'll now go for a full on culture war and be far more successful as a result.
It was never commercially viable, Murdoch was looking at doing something similar but decided it wouldn't be profitable.
So... what do its GB news' backers want if it's unlikely to make money?
To influence the conversation, to start social media storms that suit their agenda, to legitimise certain talking heads so they get booked elsewhere.
Sadly I expect all too many will take the bait.
Sadly I expect all too many will take the bait.
Too many are already salivating at the mere prospect of the bait.
While GB News has struggled in the ratings, with some programmes registering as having zero viewers, it has had some successes on social media, with one recent monologue attacking the US president, Joe Biden, attracting 10m views on TikTok.
How much money would 10 million views make? Seem like this is their target.
Sadly I expect all too many will take the bait.
I think a good proportion of the audience is people watching in order to get upset by it, some because they agree, some because they disagree
The audience numbers are low, the heat it generates by those it triggers is just free advertising of a format that will get shut down before the next election
10 million views make?
Half of which will be russian and Chinese bots
It was never commercially viable
...As Neil intended it to be, a right of centre actual news channel, it clearly had no hope. As a UK version of Fox news, what it's new staff production crew and owners want, it'll probably do just fine.
This may as well be about the BeeGees for all the relevance it has to me. Only came here to signify my indifference and wonderment that someone leaving the BeeGees was worthy of my attention. IZ DISAPOINTZ
It’ll now go for a full on culture war and be far more successful as a result.
This.
Yep, they'll have Katie Hopkins on next
Steady on Kimbers that was my prediction...
Yep, they’ll have Katie Hopkins on next
That will be the interesting "ideological" tipping point - she is so far beyond the pale even for many right wingers, her appearance will show just how crazy they are prepared to go.
On a moment ago was interview with John Altman promoting his new CD, John Altman? John Altman was Nasty Nick Cotton in East Enders, he's a singer now seemingly, who knew? no wait..who cares?
Then it was Virginia Wade, she used to play tennis..Wait! Neil Oliver is on next..need to go, he's the best live career collapse ever.
So glad I clicked on this thread.
Neil Oliver is on next
I had a peep. Inspired me to get some Inktober practice in.
There is room for a new news channel but not another right wing one. With a mix of non establishment opinions it could have had a chance.
On a moment ago was interview with John Altman promoting his new CD
Whoa, that's genuinely the worst thing that I've ever heard - all the vocal range of one of the Martians from Mars Attacks.
And in that awful video he's crooning over a woman young enough to be his granddaughter. Eww.
Cancel culture.
GBNews problem is that it isn't a news channel, it's an opinion channel, and the opinions are just to get a reaction. For most it's a reaction not to switch it on.
GBNews problem is that it isn’t a news channel, it’s an opinion channel, and the opinions are just to get a reaction. For most it’s a reaction not to switch it on.
Yup. Spiked! Television. We really get it, the sponsors don't like the "woke liberal elite".
Reminds me I needs to cancel my times subscription as Neil Oliver has a column and I don't want to contribute to his wages.
Reminds me I needs to cancel my times subscription
Good luck with that. I used to have a subscription and they don't make it easy to quit, then keep hassling you to come back.
Was the mistake trying to run a 24 hour new channel as the method to do it. Nobody is going to watch it of rtes news as the quality is poor so are people who are interested in the opinion pieces going to be watching TV or will they just be going to other sources on internet? (following groups/people, looking at Mail online etc,.)
Is Andrew Neil Oliver still doing Coast or have the BBC given him the boot?
Neil Oliver - what a plum.
I used to love taking the piss out of his 'more like a character from Macbeth than a character from Macbeth' act when he was originally playing second fiddle to Nick Crane on Coast.
Still, Coast gave us Alice Roberts, so on balance putting up with a second rate luvvie masquerading as an opinion former and historian is a price I'm willing to pay.
Why can't these people just have their mid-life crises quietly?
Why is Neil Oliver always wearing a Buff (or whatever it is) round his neck, Every time I see a pick of him he's wearing one, what's he hiding? My bets are either some sort of Nazi tattoo or love bites from Farage
I'm sure he just thinks it makes him look all "outdoorsy"
When i think of Neil Oliver, I think of:
I still don't understand how their lighting/sound etc compared so badly to your average tik tok account. Either the people doing it were incredibly incompetent/didn't care, or they couldn't afford some LED video lights off Amazon.
Half of which will be russian and Chinese bots
Only half?
The Russian Troll farms have a bigger budget than GB News!
I still don’t understand how their lighting/sound etc compared so badly to your average tik tok account. Either the people doing it were incredibly incompetent/didn’t care, or they couldn’t afford some LED video lights off Amazon.
I guess it's like the Tory cabinet where the only membership criteria is 'are you an ardent Brexit fan'. With GB News it's 'are you a racist troll'. Unsurprisingly you end up with enthusiastic half wits..
Hmmm, nobody saw that coming, eh?
😀
The channel's not gonna last a year IMO. It might have rock bottom production values, but it'll still be losing money hand-over-fist and even the arseholes who finance it won't stand for that indefinitely.
‘are you an ardent Brexit fan’
‘are you a racist troll’
enthusiastic half wits
The overlaps are large.
the arseholes who finance it won’t stand for that indefinitely
Depends if the longer term political (and thus financial) payout is deemed worthwhile.
There's money and influence to be made stirring up division and hatred. See also Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings etc.
I would have thought the payout would be more in terms of "advertising revenue".
Say you're a semi reclusive millionaire with unpopular political opinions that could make you a tidy sum if they were held by those in power.
You can't actually bribe the Tory party , but you can bung a whole load of money to a media outlet for them to pedal your views directly to the voters.
I think they're just holding out for the next Brexit + JCB+Wetherspoons.
I feel Andrew Neil missed his true vocation.
He would have made an excellent Bond baddie or Baron Harkonnen in the new Dune.
As for the Oliver fella,I thought everyone knew that the long hair and buff was to cover up..
You can’t actually bribe the Tory party
yes you can - loads of folk do it. large donation to individuals or party funds - see Jenrick etc
the arseholes who finance it won’t stand for that indefinitely
That ex-actor Fox seems to be funded by someone and all he seems to do is say something stupid on Twitter and then get ripped to shreds by people far smarter than him (a pretty low bar mind).
You can’t actually bribe the Tory party
Really?
Depends if the longer term political (and thus financial) payout is deemed worthwhile.
The channel is a laughing stock with hardly any viewers.
You can’t actually bribe the Tory party
Now there's a contentious statement.
The last few years suggest strongly that you kind-of can, if you know how to go about it.
That ex-actor Fox seems to be funded by someone and all he seems to do is say something stupid on Twitter and then get ripped to shreds by people far smarter than him (a pretty low bar mind).
£5m from a Brexit supporting fund manager.
Yep, these "libertarian" millionaires/billionaires love nothing more than splashing their cash on a rentagob because "you can't say anything these days". Absolutely nothing to do with quietly pushing for deregulation and tax cuts for the very wealthy, no sir.
but you can bung a whole load of money to a media outlet for them to pedal your views directly to the voters.
Or voter, based on the audience figure
Leaving aside my distaste for the right wing in general and the trump/fox news/UKIP/Farage types in particular I'm trying to work out why I find political biased news/opinion channels as a concept at all so objectionable. I'd feel uncomfortable with a left wing channel too. I guess news papers with well know bias in editorial content and opinion piece bias has been a thing all my life so whilst I despise DM style journalism it's always been that way. But TV has always striven to remain balanced (if it manages it or not will always be up for debate - it's reassuring that claims the Beeb are biased come from both political wings which for me at least means its got it about right).
But TV has always striven to remain balanced
In the UK and it's part of their license terms, they are not permitted to be politically biased. I believe that officially GB News is supposed to be 'balanced' as well.
I would have thought the payout would be more in terms of “advertising revenue”.
This. It's how the Murdoch Press has operated for a long time, and it's a proven model, even if the Sun newspaper is now rated as financially worthless.
They can't beat the BBC news however, but that has been steadily infiltrated by the right wing since Cameron was in, and now the upper echelons of BBC management are getting the same treatment.
Don't need to worry about the BBC not being around, as long as it does its job for the current Government.
The channel is a laughing stock with hardly any viewers.
As PJM put below, Lawrence '****wit' Fox lost his deposit in the mayoral election yet his 'party' gets a £5m donation from some Brexity shit who is looking to cash in. Despite already having enough money for ten lifetimes.
It ain't 'how' it is 'how much'.
Principles - shminciples.
Lawrence Fox is regarded as a bellend by the majority of people. He doesn't give a shit, though, because enough people like him as he embodies their own inadequacies and prejudices. Enough to keep him in clover for the rest of his days, without having to lift a finger. Job done.
It'll still be shut within a year.
It's an abject failure.
But TV has always striven to remain balanced
I don't think so, I think the opposite is true. In the UK we are spoiled because we have a supposedly neutral state broadcaster. For all its failings it does try to do this. The situation is a hell of a lot worse when all you have is commercial telly because they need commercial revenue which leaves them open to all sorts of obligations and it's without scrutiny. The BBC (still) raises the bar for all UK TV media.
Useful reading, which shows why a lurch to a full-blown "culture wars" agenda would be problematic for GB News.
Also useful for those who feel unclear about why UK TV and newspapers are different in the way they tackle politics.
Of course GB News could cannily sidestep this by becoming a YouTube channel instead. I wouldn't bet against that.
It’ll still be shut within a year.
It’s an abject failure.
The same applies to Laurence Fox's gob once he says something truly dreadful that gets him shunned by the media a la Hopkins, Yaxley - Lennon, Yiannopoulos etc. The money dries up and they plead poverty before embarking on a far-right patreon grift tour.
I don’t think so, I think the opposite is true.
You might need to look up what striven means. We agree with each other.
Of course GB News could cannily sidestep this by becoming a YouTube channel instead. I wouldn’t bet against that.
They've had more viewers on yt already than they're ever likely to get on TV.
yes you can – loads of folk do it. large donation to individuals or party funds – see Jenrick etc
Ok, I should have added "discreetly" to qualify it. And you still (in principal) can't if you're a foreigner.
Whereas Rosneft and Gazprom could thrown money at GB News when we hold a referendum on whether to be anexed by Russia.
Tinas - foreign nationals bribe the tories all the time - and very subtly
Whereas Rosneft and Gazprom could thrown money at GB News when we hold a referendum on whether to be anexed by Russia.
It's a well established tactic that long pre-dates GB news, it's widely known in media circles that RT pay unusually generously for any public figure willing to appear, those that take the bait tend to rapidly become more willing to publicaly defend Putin's agenda as they lose credibilty and revenue from elsewhere and end up relying on RT to pay their bills.
They can’t beat the BBC news however, but that has been steadily infiltrated by the right wing since Cameron was in, and now the upper echelons of BBC management are getting the same treatment.
BBC news website is getting increasingly click baity, TV and radio dumbed down. There is still is strong output but you need to look for it quite hard
I also note that James Purnell is still on the rise and the new head of news has left wing views, so if it's a right wing infiltration it's not that effective
PJM1974
Free MemberThe same applies to Laurence Fox’s gob once he says something truly dreadful that gets him shunned by the media a la Hopkins, Yaxley – Lennon, Yiannopoulos etc. The money dries up and they plead poverty before embarking on a far-right patreon grift tour.
It's a natural progression, it starts out as an easy way to get more views and more reactions, just be a little bit more awful every day. But eventually you get to the point where being a little more awful is quite hard, but also takes you closer every day to being Too Awful. Hopkins was pretty much a master of it but you always run yourself out of room. Most people are terrible at it, because there's not that many people that can be sociopathic/amoral enough to choose it as an option, but also clever/cunning enough and self-aware enough to keep within the lines.
Like, look at Tucker Carlson. Lived the life of riley for years, all he had to do was be a little bit more awful than the bulk of his audience, which he thought he was good at because it was pretty easy. But when the audience started tipping awfuller, he first failed to keep up, then had to swing massively awful to get those guys back, and now he's stuck way out in the awful corner, appeals to less people than ever and can't ever get back, so his life from now on is just Trying To Keep Up With The Scumbags And Hoping They Don't Kill And Eat Me.
BBC news website is getting increasingly click baity, TV and radio dumbed down. There is still is strong output but you need to look for it quite hard
That's dumbing down rather than bias - though both can have similar consequences, obviously.
Ok, I should have added “discreetly” to qualify it. And you still (in principal) can’t if you’re a foreigner.
See the dark money article I linked to.
I had a peep. Inspired me to get some Inktober practice in.
That is incredibly well captured.
Tinas – foreign nationals bribe the tories all the time – and very subtly
I thought bribing tories quite openly was the new model for UK government going forward.
It's called lobbying and for a donation you get private contracts to supply the NHS..that will never be privatised..just bled by tender for everything supplied to it.
He's on Question Time tonight... (or tomorrow night, whenever it's on...) 🤷♂️
He’s on Question Time tonight
Isn't that the way right-wingers generally get cancelled - by being given a platform on QT?
I'd love to see AN back interviewing politicians on the BBC.
And I'd trust him to hold the current gov't to account better than most of the other interviewers. He's just the best in the biz.
He was just the best in the biz.
He’s sunk his own boat.
He’s sunk his own boat.
Dunno how tarnished he really is, he was hardly even on GB News.
And if I were the Beeb I'd be keen to get him back, if only to hedge against the commonly held view that the place is a nest of pinkos.
if only to hedge against the commonly held view that the place is a nest of pinkos.
Wouldnt really help considering its just the right wing loons complaining at anything other than complete agreement with them.
His primary problem with the bbc would be with those same right wing loons. They have demanded that the staff be restricted on social media and given his twitter comments in particular he would last about ten minutes.
Wouldnt really help considering its just the right wing loons complaining at anything other than complete agreement with them.
I disagree, the BBC is making big efforts to be seen as being less metropolitan liberal elite-ish, and yes AN does fit that description - but bringing him back would likely help them in their attempts to mollify the present government.
given his twitter comments in particular he would last about ten minutes.
I don't use Twitter, but all I've seen are examples where he's taken issue with some of the racist, xenophobic ****s on "his side".
Also, doesn't Lineker still present MoTD?
They’ve had more viewers on yt already than they’re ever likely to get on TV.
I was thinking the same. It’s also easier to ‘get away with it’ on youtube etc. Looking at some of the comments under aforementioned BBC Coast bloke, some of his new fans are openly issuing death threats to ‘vaxxers’ and to doctors. Well done GBN. Well done. /sarcasm.
but bringing him back would likely help them in their attempts to mollify the present government.
No they would just demand more and more. The hard right metropolitan elites have been doing their best to portray anything other than complete agreement with them as a left wing bias but the only way to end that would be for the bbc to join the mail and spectator levels of bias.
but all I’ve seen are examples where he’s taken issue with some of the racist, xenophobic **** on “his side”.
You should take a look. He does let his bias come out full force on twitter and whilst the hypocrites on the right would probably think its fine it would be hard for the bbc to support.
I don’t use Twitter, but all I’ve seen are examples where he’s taken issue with some of the racist, xenophobic **** on “his side”.
Nope, he spends quite a bit of his time on twitter deliberately misunderstanding the concept of white privilege then getting really angry about it being a thing.
Nope, he spends quite a bit of his time on twitter deliberately misunderstanding the concept of white privilege then getting really angry about it being a thing.
Both things are possible you know.
Sorry wasn't disputing what you said just that it's far from the only thing he posts on twitter.
He has a big problem with BBC shows that portray the British empire as not being 100% wonderful also.
Talk TV from Murdoch, hopefully will go the same way
Well at least Murdoch knows how to actually do TV, but I can see it being just as successful as Times Radio (ie. not very).
Hopefully another nail in the coffin of Piers Morgan's career anyway.
münecat on the short horrorstory history of Andrew Neil’s GBeebies popped up in my feed tray today. I feel it a duty to share here:
‘Gammon Boomer News’
Astute, the youth.