Mid-westerners are to beheld to be believed.
I would say that Californians are fairly unique amongst Americans.
And TexansAnd New Yorkers.
I found people from North Dakota to be fairly unique too. Ain't that just ****in mad.
Too Tall,
Yes, once to New York once to Florida, family Holidays.
Folks from Florida have to be the more unique than others, no?
emsz
What you see depends on where you are standing. Your view of America is based on the classic Brit destinations and for short visits too. America is vast - no - really massive. It contains many wonders and yes, most of them are 'king huge. Most of their world is fairly new and built around convenience, cars and I'd have to say a higher quality of living than we have. They have more space and pay less for it. We live on a small cramped rainy island with archaic transport, small houses and drink warm flat beer. The UK is practically a historical theme park.
Raising our daughter has thrown up some strange things - my wife and I have few common reference points in our respective childhoods. Many nursery rhymes are unknown, nappies are daipers etc etc. I only mention these small things to highlight the totally different worlds united by an uncommon language.
Go and stay with them and see what they take for granted in daily life. I don't agree with much of it, but it is illuminating to live in the USA and see how different life can be.
I also think you need to get some fresh air - you seem to be spoiling for an internet fight more than usual - which is quite something for you.
I was out on the bike today, and we're going to Leith Hill tomorrow. I can combine lots of fresh air, with a spot of internet altercation - no bother. In fact, I reckon I'm up for it more, when I've had loads of fresh air and exercise.
So what motivated you to have a pop at emsz ?......... frustration and anger at being stuck indoors on a gorgeous Easter Sunday ?
Must be said I've known hundreds of Americans, and met thousands more, and the ones I didn't get on with you could probably count on one hand. Most are great, and no more ignorant than any other nationality.
Too Tall, I know, I was just grumpy. I still want to live in LA at some point. Don't worry, she was just one person, I know. Can we just leave it?
idave, Don, and Deadly, **** off you three, now your just taking the piss
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I haven't met many Americans but those I have (with one notable exception) were ignorant and arrogant - a nasty mix.
TJ - perhaps it is what you bring out in them?
I wonder what they say about you TJ?
Mrs Grips to the forum please...
Just think about it this way. If you'd met two self obsessed
Brits, you'd just think 'oh they are self obsessed'. Because they also happened to be American, your initial thought was to assume all Americans are like that.
There are however certain cultural memes endemic in different parts of the world, that's another issue.
they will happily chose a leader who's only claim to fame is the "tough guy" parts he played in fantasy films
So hang on - if you have been an actor then you're not allowed to change career and be a politician? What careers should be allowed to go into politics?
Did you follow the election campaign and listen to what Arnie had to say? What were his policies? Or are you just assuming that actors must be stupid and useless at politics?
I haven't met many Americans but those I have (with one notable exception) were ignorant and arrogant - a nasty mix
Just read this - LOL of the CENTURY!!!
HAHAHAHA!
I don't think I can handle this much irony!
America is vast - no - really massive.
Well, I ****ing never! You learn something new on STW every ****ing day. Well la de ****ing la. I'm ****ing astounded.
Oh hang on, molgrips is here...wayyyyyy too late. And he's being all literal and non-metallic.
End the thread now. Put it out of its misery. NOW.
Arnie has been involved in politics since the late 80s early 90s and always wanted to be in politics. Motivated by a dislike for the political system in Austria when he was young.
I work with Americans and tbh have nothing to say about any national character traits. However this morning I did watch one of them spend half an hour trying to open a "locked" door without success before giving in and ringing his boss. Turns out the knob on that particular door turns anti-clockwise - as his (American) boss loudly pointed out after coming in on his long weekend.
He's probably posting on some US forum now about how Brits are all unhelpful bastards because we just watched and laughed.
It's coming, it's coming....
...WUNUNDRED!!!
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You love doing that, don't you 😆
Yes.
It's a stupid, pointless, puerile and childish thing to do, but I get immense satisfaction from it. Probbly cos I've got mental issues.
Ah well.
I understood what you meant, Emsz, even if other folk decided to get their knickers in a twist over it. 😉
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It's not nice to laugh at people with mental issues you know. 😥
I'm slightly perplexed as to why, in a discussion about Americans, people keep posting pictures of an Austrian.
In terms of stereotypes, how many people visit London and then tell their friends they've "seen England"?
I've met a lot of Americans and probably seen more of the US than a lot of Brits. I can conclude that there's a lot of different places, people and attitudes. Bit like here, really.
Did you follow the election campaign and listen to what Arnie had to say? What were his policies?
He was elected on a [i]"I'm not a politician"[/i] ticket, and therefore obviously didn't need any policies. And it worked very well too - politicians are somewhat unpopular in the US. Part of Ronald Reagan's appeal was that he was like a daft old granddad who is clueless about the exacting details of politics - a quality which many yanks can identify with. And hence also the huge support which the Tea Party enjoys. Of course the irony that so many yanks have so little faith in their politicians and political processes, whilst at the same time demanding that other countries follow their example, isn't lost on me.
I'm slightly perplexed as to why, in a discussion about Americans, people keep posting pictures of an Austrian.
Er, because he's American and lives in California, which is where the OP's guests are from?
The incidents I am thinking of were on a group tour round the USSR (it was the only way I could get in on my motorbike) A large gruop mainly German and American.
One day we went to a major cathedral. The guide told them it was polite to remove their baseball hats and no photography was allowed. 3 of the Americans refused to remove their hats and took photos - well at least until I and the non ignorant and non arrogant American rounded them and told them to show some respect.
I had been to Auschwitz a few days before meeting up with them. This came up in conversation The comment was "wow amazing - bet you got loads of great photos" I told them my camera remained in my bag as it not a place to take pictures.
They wer told not to buy icons on the street - export was banned. They all did (the Americans - non of the europeans), some were found at the border on exit. The whole party was held for 6 hours and everyone had their luggage gone thru with fine comb.
I had a t shirt one of the Americans liked. They attempted to buy it off me. I refused. I would have given it to them if they had not attempted to use the power of the dollar to get what they wanted. they got quite angry when I refused.
Crass arrogant and ignorant behaviour. This is only a few examples from 2 weeks I spent with these people.
I have other similar experiences since but I have never spent so long in a group of Americans since
Er, because he's American and lives in California, which is where the OP's guests are from?
He's become an American citizen and resides in California, but he's not Californian (or even American) by birth so it's a bit disingenuous to be using him as an example of "Californians," no?
it's a bit disingenuous to be using him as an example of "Californians," no?
Well since he was used as an example of who Californians like to elect as their leader, I would say no, not at all.
I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Soon I will be president...
Carter Power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school!
[Chorus:]
California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California
Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face
Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!
[Chorus]
Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece
Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.
DIE on organic poison gas
Serpent's egg's already hatched
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President Brown
When you mess with President Brown
And who is the governor now? 😯
Well, I * never! You learn something new on STW every * day. Well la de * la. I'm * astounded.
I take it you've been and travelled around it a bit then, you sanctimonious wee man. 😐
It has to be one of the main reasons for many of the differences between our nations and personas. I don't think most people appreciate that a single country spans such a vast range of everything on a single land mass with the same language, brands, currency etc. I'm trying to add to the understanding of the OP - if you can add more to the differences between the nations, step up.
sanctimonious
As cynic-al once said...
...oh teh ironing.
I don't think most people appreciate that a single country spans such a vast range of everything
And the only way you can appreciate this is by travelling? So, because I've never been to China... 🙄
I have a good atlas don, and google maps. Russians...they're all do dour and miserable. Most of 'em are alcoholics too.
Canadians are all lovely. Never met a nasty one. Kinda like merkins but without the fear.
I have to disagree, I spent a couple of hours in Australia one of the people I met was called Bill and was tall, the other was called Brad and was shorter. Clearly they are all different. Must be a southern hemisphere thing.
Did you know they have two languages, three if you include English, in Wales? Don't have to be big to be different.
I have other similar experiences since but I have never spent so long in a group of Americans since
Given my experience of Americans has been mostly positive (other than my housemate who was a total cock and a bloke I had an argument with at a family kids birthday), something leads me to believe, like others on this thread, that perhaps it's a reaction to you rather than the fact Americans are unpleasant.
Atlaz - if it was it would be OK - but it was the way the reacted with the world around them - read my post. They really thought they could just do as they wanted because they were Americans. damn nearly got the wole lot of us arrested for smuggling FFS and were totally disrespectful of others the whole time. So much so that the one guy who did not behave like that got really fed up of them and disowned them.
I dunno. They sounded like a right bunch of American cocks to me. It's a testament to TeeJ's saintly patience that he didn't give one of them a bunch of fives.
Well since he was used as an example of who Californians like to elect as their leader, I would say no, not at all.
Bah. Fair enough. (-:
🙂 That's the problem Cougar, sometimes threads go so far off track, that we forget the original point.
TBF I was going for 'amusing' rather than 'argumentative' but, yeah.
I understood what you meant, Emsz, even if other folk decided to get their knickers in a twist over it.
Funny, you're usually the first to go intercontinental at the slightist whiff of racism...
the slightist whiff of racism...
How could there be the slightist whiff of racism in Emsz's comments ?
She makes no reference at all to any racial group. And since, despite the widespread existence of racism and intolerance within America, American society must represent amongst the most homogeneous in the world, no criticism of Americans can be deemed to be "racist".
Any prejudices shown towards Americans would by necessity, only be cultural. How unacceptable that is, is opened to debate. But since Emsz didn't enter into a vitriolic attack, and Americans themselves are generally hugely intolerant of other cultures, I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
TandemJeremy - Member
Atlaz - if it was it would be OK - but it was the way the reacted with the world around them - read my post. They really thought they could just do as they wanted because they were Americans. damn nearly got the wole lot of us arrested for smuggling FFS and were totally disrespectful of others the whole time. So much so that the one guy who did not behave like that got really fed up of them and disowned them.
Funny, I've seen plenty of Brits (yes, including Scots!) do exactly that abroad. Notably in Spain. Great TJ intolerance and stereotyping though 😉
do you bother to read? No sterotyping at all. A description of a group of american s all but one of whom acted in this way. No generalisation not sterotyping at all
I did not say all americans do this. I said the ones I met did this. BIg difference
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Obviously not but you do use your example on a thread that (admittedly rather OT) is going on about Americans as a stereotype so what relevance other than to perpetuate it. If one of the various racist threads that have cropped up more in the past had appeared and I'd said something similar to you about the targeted racial group you'd have quite correctly got your knickers in an apoplectic twist fit.
Of course there are stupid, ignorant, self interested Americans about who might get you arrested. Same as for just about any other group.
So infact your accusation of sterotyping and intolerance is bogus. This thread is not racist in any way either.
Holy ****, just read every post on here and what i took to be a humorous and slightly frazzled observation from the OP, with no blatant racist or xenophobic overtones suddenly gets turned into a massive bunfight.
Do you all take yourself this seriously 😀
Americans make me smile and pull my hair out in equal measure, i lived in Houston for a year and spent a lot of time in Louisiana and Texas so not a huge spread of US demography. They came across and the most hospitipal, friendly bunch when everything was on their terms and they were on home soil, as soon as they were in situations where they were out their depth or not comfortable then a very different side to them showed itself.
BUT - that was a small select bunch i spent a lot of time with.
Great people in small doses i think 😀
Have a great day y'all.....
No, actually I don't think it is racist but then I never said it was - do YOU actually read what people write 😉
IMO, A bit rude and self-centred by Emsz who has since apologised/explained but that's it.
TJ you wrote this
TandemJeremy - Member
I haven't met many Americans but those I have (with one notable exception) were ignorant and arrogant - a nasty mix.
Which I now think you lack the social skills to see why and how that can or would be read in the way it clearly was.
Right - its very clear. [i]Those I have met[/i] Clear statement of fact from experience. No generalisation no sterotyping.
So what relevance to the thread or more to the point or discussion about stereotyping? You clearly aren't capable of understanding and I won't change your mind so I think we'll have to leave it there. Have a good day. Hope you're riding somewhere nice.
You accused me of sterotyping and intolerence. Clearly you were wrong. You then accuse me of being incapable of understanding when you have misconstrued my clear post because of your desire to attack me. You then get all huffy about my lack of understanding 🙄
Perhaps an apology for the false attack on me would be in order?
Holy ****, just read every post on here and what i took to be a humorous and slightly frazzled observation from the OP, with no blatant racist or xenophobic overtones suddenly gets turned into a massive bunfight.
You don't spend much time here, do you?
On a visit to Wales many years ago, upon entering a shop the shop keeper and customer swiftly changed from speaking English into speaking Welsh when they saw me!!! 😯
Are all the Welsh such ingnorant bastids??? I assume YES. And before you ask, I could hear them from 25m away through a closed door on a windy day. 🙄
TJ, I've apologised to you a couple of times iirc when I've misread one of your posts previously. This isn't one of those occasions. You do stereotype and you are intolerant. Not always but certainly at times when it suits your beliefs. I'm not being huffy, I just don't feel the need to flog a dead horse as this discussion clearly is. We won't agree so I'll leave it there. Feel free to continue arguing with yourself though.
And have a nice day!
upon entering a shop the shop keeper and customer swiftly changed from speaking English into speaking Welsh when they saw me
they'd probably met you previously
they'd probably met you previously
Much like yourself, which is better than forming an opinion based on limited information, which would be stupid, no?
I couldn't actually care less... 🙂
Great TJ intolerance and stereotyping though
Ooh, accusing someone of something they're not actually guilty of FAIL. 😀
Funny, you're usually the first to go intercontinental at the slightist whiff of racism...
Oh hang on, here's another one! 😆
And let's all untwist those knickers, ah, that's better, isn't it?
It's a nice sunny day. Not too hot. I might go for a ride on my bike, actually...
It's a nice sunny day. Not too hot. I might go for a ride on my bike, actually...
It has indeed been here, so instead of riding as I did yesterday, I went for a walk with my wife today instead. Only saw a few foreigners. It's dark now though, so there may be a few more out there....
I'm in France just now. Those bloody French <garlic> <cheese> <lazy> <cowardly> <onions> <cauliflower burning> <etc> Choose your own stereotype... I quite like it here 🙂
Happy Easter everyone 🙂
And have a nice day!
Clearly you need one after your little surprise attack there. More to do with TeeJ than the the thread as usual 🙄
upon entering a shop the shop keeper and customer swiftly changed from speaking English into speaking Welsh when they saw me
they'd probably met you previously
Got to be said DS, I've met you and if I could speak Welsh I would have.
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I know what you mean. 😕
You do stereotype and you are intolerant
maybee he does maybe he does not but he has not on this thread he said something based on his own personal experience which he then went into some detail about. I dont get the TJ haters tbh but at least wait till he has given you some ammunition before firing.
I love that they just started speaking Welsh line like it is obvious when you look at someone that they are or are not welsh. When they spoke welsh to me and i explained I could nto speak it very well [ sometime in elnglish sometimes in welsh they just apologised and spoke english to me
Only once did they use welsh against me and that was because some hippy students invaded the local village pub and started winning at Bingo so they started calling the numbers in welsh ...they were gutted when we played on but ok with us from that moment onwards.
Hey I'm from the US and I resent being compared to Californians! 😡 ...(tho they are from another world out there aren't they? 😛 )
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I live in California and I'm not good looking, but I can ride a bike. I don't have an accent. People who don't live here have accents. Ever been to Glasgow? What language do they speak there?
I didn't vote for Schwarzenegger either. What a chump.
Bet the OP wishes he could ride where I do. I jump on my bike at home, and in fifteen minutes I am on private members-only singletrack, .
and Repack that sums up America nicely "private members-only singletrack" when did riding a mountain bike get to be like golf?
I can jump on my bike and ride where ever I want across an entire country - right to roam rocks
Bet the OP wishes he could ride where I do. I jump on my bike at home, and in fifteen minutes I am on private members-only singletrack, .
He is a she. 15 minutes? I have about 10 metres then unlimited riding often without seeing another soul and when I do see people they are friendly. Why has your riding been restricted to someone's back garden/ back yard?
Bet the OP wishes he could ride where I do
I bet you wish you could get proper decent cheese where you live.... 😉
What is all that about with Merkin cheese? Is it actually even cheese? 😕
Sure it's cheese, it sez so on the can
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