[Closed] AIBU - neighbour issues take 37.

you're not suggesting there is anything wrong with what he's written, but that maybe he should have written something different ([b]without actually throwing any light on what that something different might be[/b]

smug people who think they have the monopoly on the correct acceptable way of communicating an idea, or the truth, won't come down from their mountain and let us know what we should be thinking and saying, and [b]play little games trying to get us to guess...[/b]

Bit of a theme there, eh, Charlie...

yup, there is. The theme of getting you to reflect and think for yourselves.
and actually, i think i (and Cougar, himself) have thrown a fair bit of light on why it might not be OK

The theme of getting you to reflect and think for yourselves.

Say that back to yourself whilst looking in the mirror and tell me if you can keep a straight face.

I know! The very idea in STW is laughable!
😀

I read the first 5 pages of racist/not racist arguments earlier before getting distracted with more pressing matters.

But for some strange reason, I felt an overwhelming desire to eat this for my dinner:

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A child's portion?

so what cougar was saying, was that he had no idea that keeping pigeons was a universally popular pastime?

and then someone else pointed out that yes, people in Asia have been known to keep pigeons?

now... I don't want to to sound racist, but I have a question of my own that is related to the subject..

I'm considerably browner than my oldest son (who is 7 and is like myself, a British national)

We were in St James' Park in London the other day and my boy was very taken with the pigeons there.. A discussion ensued about pigeon keeping and there was a question that I couldn't answer - where do you get your pigeons from to put in your pigeon loft?

if you get a chance over the next few days cougar, would you mind popping round to your neighbour and asking for us?

[quote=ourmaninthenorth ]But for some strange reason, I felt an overwhelming desire to eat this for my dinner:

Pigeon curry?

A child's portion?

Appetite like a [s]pigeon[/s] sparrow.

Pigeon curry?

As Dick Dastardly will tell you, pigeons (esp. the feathered Mo Farah of Rochdale*) are especially hard to entrap. So I settled for another bird and imagined it was pigeon as I tucked into all three mouthfuls.

*that isn't, er, racer-ist is it...?

pigeon curry?

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already covered it aracer

too much charlie being spewed up your charlie; enjoy..............

TL:DR

I have just seen the photos on p1. I wouldn't worry, the first of the winter storms will have it sailing over the Pennines 😀

so what cougar was saying, was that he had no idea that keeping pigeons was a universally popular pastime?

and then someone else pointed out that yes, people in Asia have been known to keep pigeons?

Not quite imo, what cougar was saying was.. you'll never believe this but a foreign family (who have lived here for generations??) over t'ut road are building a bleeding pigeon coop.. WTAF, very weird, what an earth do a foreign family want with a pigeon coop, must be a scam!

Posters have pointed out that 'people' like pigeons and he still finds it hard to understand because this family are Muslim and of Asian descendancy (Pakastani rather than anywhere in Asia, he just used the term Asian to make it clear who we were talking about :oops:) so it isn't normal for them to like pigeons

People have then pointed out it is very normal for anyone to like pigeons and not to stereotype.

He seems to now think it is normal because their is a history in ****stan of keeping pigeons. He is still missing the point.

His neighbour might just like pigeons and perhaps their family history is completely irrelevant.

Yunki try here for info. http://www.rpra.org/about-rpra/getting-started/

I think he was actually saying that usually muslamics have no time for pigeons and other leisure pursuits as they are too busy doing terrorism an' sh1t.

So these polish neighbours keep ****stani racing pigeons in a illegal granny flat next door to cougar ?

No, no, no. The guy he likes to watch shitting is next door. The pigeon loft is next door but one...

He is right to be concerned, for all we know they may have miniaturised the Muslamic death rays and are going to release winged rat armageddon on the Kaffir.

Shite! Have I just made Charlie's list by generalising?

Shite! Have I just made Charlie's list by generalising?

Not all of us can aspire to those lofty behavioural standards. However, I understand a short period of self-reflection may be in order. 🙂

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Not a flat cap to be seen.

This thread made me search Mumsnet for what AIBU meant. Two things strike me - firstly how many acronyms can they remember - I'd be stuffed! Secondly, how much better their advert bobbins is to the STW advert rubbish I occasionally see when it logs me out. It dosn'nt slow up the scrolling and is generally so much less annoying whilst still being there. You could learn a thing or two STW towers!

I thought you were better than this

I think I know where you've gone wrong.

It's like Prince nearly said;

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[b]How can you just leave [s]me[/s] this structure standing?
Alone in a [s]world[/s] alleyway that's so [s]cold?[/s] narrow (So [s]cold[/s]narrow)
Maybe I'm just too [s]demanding[/s] unfamilier with the prevalence of pigeon fancying across other cultures
Maybe I'm just like my [s]father[/s] other neighbour too [s]bold[/s] busy laying cable
Maybe you're just like my [s]mother[/s] Mungus
[s]She's[/s] He's never satisfied ([s]She's[/s] He's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When [s]doves[/s] Pigeons cry[/b]

APPLAUDS

You win the internet today

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Is this the poster for a Kes remake?

DrP

merely pointed out that some of your terminology needs to be considered. I would hope that you would recognise that.

I've said, multiple times now have I not, that that's fine and invited suggestions for alternative choices of words. None have been forthcoming.

This become more problematic when after someone's posting about pigeon keeping being popular in ****stan, you then suggest this explains why this neighbour keeps pigeons

Why is it problematic?

Over on ****staniTrackWorld, someone posts that their English neighbour plays loud pop music, and drinks heavily at the weekend. They think this is unusual behaviour as none of their other English neighbours do this, and asks if it's common within the British community. And of course, it is.

This doesn't mean that every Brit gets pissed up and blasts the stereo of a weekend, nor does it mean that no-one else does it, but that over in Britland it's fairly commonplace, it's a cultural norm.

Any culture or society will have its own interests and customs. In Korea they eat dog (AFAIK), which would be abhorrent to us. We eat bacon, which is no doubt similarly abhorrent to British Muslims. I've a Chinese friend who's adopted an English first name, in isolation this might seem unusual but she tells me it's very common and all her friends do it. (Curiously, they're always what we'd think of as 'old' names, the sort of names your gran might have.)

Alternatively, it could have been that there's no cultural background for pigeons at all; maybe they just like pigeons. That's why I asked. I've a ****stani mate who is into rock / metal music, has long hair and wears a leather jacket (he's the spitting image of Kirk Hammett, skin colour aside). Is this customary? Could be that Metallica is massively popular in the Middle East, but it's not to my knowledge, he just likes it. Maybe I'll ask him next time I see him.

**** me some proper ****s on here(aka over sensitive) good luck getting through life 😀

English neighbour plays loud pop music, and drinks heavily at the weekend. They think this is unusual behaviour as none of their other English neighbours do this, and asks if it's common within the British community.

I think I've worked it out - it's what you have to build if it turns out your gimp is claustrophobic.

[b]JY[/b] I think you kind of missed the point there - there is a direct analogy between the way sometimes ****stani and sometimes Asian has been used on this thread. That sentence was very much in quotes...

It is really difficult to judge the sensitivty at which these linguistic offense landmines should be set to go off, but I think you have miscalibrated yours and that may say more about you than Cougar.

[i]Might be easier if you used your moderator powers and blocked Charlie mate.[/i]

Nah, that's an abuse of power, and empowers those who want to take a crack at a moderator. I'm not a mod here, I'm a forum user like everyone else.

Perhaps you can put it to the vote? 🙂

The english really do think the two terms are synonyms and interchangeable

England is my country of birth, British is my nationality. Says so on my passport. (-:

FFS blah blah something about rash generalisations; "The English," what, all of us?

there is a direct analogy between the way sometimes ****stani and sometimes Asian has been used on this thread.

Exactly.

England is my country of birth, British is my nationality. Says so on my passport. (-:

If it was done to highlight the point about the interchangeability of terms then yes it went over my head but i just assumed it was an english person getting confused between england and britain

I dont think its racist i just think its inaccurate and wrong , sometimes, to do this.
I dont think its wrong to describe a ****stani as asian or an english person as British but it is wrong to conflate english and British as you did.
You are english you wont get it 😉

Really not wanting to do a Mungus here and apologies if i just got the wrong end of the stick.

I think this thread is brilliant.

Makes me wonder how some of the posters manage to cope with dealing with real racists in the real world.

I think their heads might explode.

Anyway,

Have the pigeons moved I yet?

8 pages to discuss a shed? Wow!

You are english you wont get it

You misunderstand. I'm English and don't care. (-:

For the sake of argument though, if we're talking about getting pissed and playing loud music, I expect the Scots would be offended if I [i]hadn't[/i] included them. (your tee-total good self excluded ofc).

In seriousness, I think we're broadly on the same page. It's fairly common for people here to refer to "****stanis" regardless of whether the subject of their discussion is actually, say, Indian or Bangladeshi; broadly out of assumption / ignorance I expect. Referring instead to "Asians" avoids that faux pas, though invokes the Wrath of the Mungus for generalisations and stereotyping.

Funny things, words.

8 pages to discuss a shed? Wow!

Two pages to discuss a shed, six pages to debate whether I'm a racist for mentioning that my neighbours are heavily tanned.

Now, you know no one has called you a racist.

Two pages to discuss a shed, six pages to debate whether I'm a racist for mentioning that my neighbours are heavily tanned

...so you are saying they are building a shelter for nude sun-bathing?!.... 😉

Burkinis are on order I believe.

Just hold on a minute

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There's a clear link here, and we're worried that pigeons are RACIST?

Makes you think.

Look, you start of by saying "What would an Asian family want with a coop?"
Surely you recognise that is a little bit off. Why would you start with the Asian categorisation? You could probably choose anyother differentiator and demonstrate that was a minority, in the UK. I don't know why anyone would keep pigeons, but this persons reasons are probably much the same as anyone else's and not because it is what people in ****stan do. Why would you say Asian when you mean ****stani, just because everyone else does, is not a good enough reason, especially in here.I don't know any women who keep pigeons, but if I did, I would not be at a loss to imagine why. Maybe this neighbour keeps pigeons because that's what he wants to do. Maybe his keeping of pigeons is nothing to do with his race or whatever continent he comes from. And just because you find out that pigeon fancying is popular in ****stan. It doesn't explain why this guy keeps pigeons. Like "because he is British" doesn't explain why someone gets pissed and plays loud music.

A long post, just to say "What theocb said"

Yes, language is a funny thing, use it carefully. Lots of Asians don't particularly like the way Asian is used, even by the BBC. How would you describe someone from Singapore?

As an alternative to the term Asian Community? I wouldn't use such a construction, so there isn't one. I wouldn't try to compare and individual to a heterogenous mass

Bloke keeps pigeons - not confusing

Lots of Asians don't particularly like the way Asian is used, even by the BBC.

I wouldn't try to compare an individual to a heterogenous mass

Tell me how I compared an individual to a heterogenous mass?

I just dipped in here for some advice on a single ring conversion and I stumble on a thread debating whether pigeon keeping is commonplace in Asian cultures. Brilliant.