[Closed] A note to patrice evra...

You could have chosen from half a dozen Spanish products to highlight your racist attitudes too. It's using "negro" and "Patrice Evra" in the same post that makes you racist, Loddrik.

Funny, because i've found Turk's to be quite rascist.

(disclaimer: not all Turk's are rascist)

what's his username on here? didn't know he worked in I.T. and rode mtb's on his day off.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to drag all this up again. It was unpleasant enough the last time. 😐

That is acceptable as it's in it's country of origin (or at least where they are sold) however if they were to appear on the shelves in your local Tesco/Asda/Sainsbury/Aldi etc I reckon it may well make the papers.

It's all about being socially aware & correct

Wahaaaaaay! Bravisimo is back 😀

*flutters eyelashes at DD*

it's all about context. if someone hit patrice evra in the face with a packet of said biscuits it might be seen as slightly more confrontational than stocking them in a supermarket.

*flutters eyelashes at DD*

*Swoons*

if someone hit patrice evra in the face with a packet of said biscuits it might be seen as slightly more confrontational than stocking them in a supermarket.

Is it more confrontational than hitting him in the face with a packet of chocolate digestives?

I don't know what negro means in Turkish but I do know there is a chain of electrical stores called Arcelic.

It's owned by Koc (who make the Beko appliances).

When one makes one's Confirmation in Ireland, one wears a suit. I made mine in lets see, would have been around 82 or 83? I wore a rather dashing dark brown pair of trousers and a tweedy style sports jacket in a lighter brown colour. I looked quite the part let me tell you.

I remember in the clothes shop when my mum was talking to the chap who was measuring me up asking what colour the trousers were. He replied "**** Brown". So, when mates were asking what I was going to be wearing for my confirmation suit, I would tell them, "a **** brown pair of trousers and light brown tweed sports jacket". 😐

Ashamed to this day. 🙁

looked like a new brand of forks at a glance ..

Is it more confrontational than hitting him in the face with a packet of chocolate digestives?

Depends if they were dark chocolate digestives...

As mate of mine was in turkey on business last week and came across the pack of biscuits below

Ahhhh a game of soggy biscuit is always a good one to seal the deal with a business partner.

yes repeatedly calling some one negro whilst nipping him in a confrontational manner is no worse than naming a biscuit in a foreign country...why not get yourself down to one of the ethnically mixed communities in your broad minded city and start calling Black people negro- post up the video of how it went 🙄

FFS suarez is almost definitely not a racist but to try and defend what he did/said takes some seriously Liverpool shaped filters of perception.

Mocking the victim of this is another example of that great scouse sense of humour
Marvelous

Question is - is Luis Suarez a spanish speaker using the word negro in a conversation in spanish initiated by Patric Evra in spanish in the UK racist? I dont think it is.

JY - is there any evidence of that happening other than Patrice Evra saying it happened?

Mocking the victim of this is another example of that great scouse sense of humour
Marvelous

It's OK, the OP will be off out soon to knick some alloys...

FFS suarez is almost definitely not a racist

despite admitting fouling someone 'because you are black' then claiming ' i don't talk to blacks' ???????????

it's possible that i may need to re evaluate my definition of racism.

but i don't think so.

I thought it was ok to use the word negro ? it`s not in the OED as being offensive

trailmonkey - Member
it's possible that i may need to re evaluate my [s]definition of racism[/s] understanding about this all being better off concluded.

FTFY. 🙂

There was an enquiry and a 114 page report SBZ- got a bit of news coverage iirc - did you not read it on the Liverpool blogs

I dont think he is a racist either but he did use racist language

The support, the excuses, the "apology/acceptance" has belittled your great club tbh, shuould have been more like

Suarez did not realise that this would be construed as racist in this country. He is not a racist but he accepts that the word is wholly inappropriate to use in this country evern though it is not considered offensive in his own country,. He apologises unreservedly or any offence caused, will not repeat the mistake and has apologised personally to Evra"

Might have been a more honest and classier reply rather than what he/pool did do leading to him being called an unreliable witness, which is posh for liar.
We probably would not still be talking about it. #Loyalty to your club is admirable, blind loyalty is not

@trail monkey i dont doubt he was using racist language but he was doing it to wind up an opponent rather than because he is a racist

the OP will be off out soon to knick some alloys..

My sides my sides.....

I read every word of the report and didnt see a single shred of evidence. It was one persons word against another and judged upon balance of probability. You probably think that I'm a **** doesnt make it true based on your thoughts though does it....

yes repeatedly calling some one negro whilst nipping him in a confrontational manner

I have read a couple of reports that indicate he only said it once. I cant reference them unfortunately but they indicated that each succesive telling of the story by Evra was misconstrued. I understand Evra confirmed this in an interview he gave in France. If I can find it I will post a link.

What does "nipping him a confrontational manner" mean?

It's OK, the OP will be off out soon to knick some alloys...

🙄

nope, I'll be learning how to spell correctly...

The whole thing was flawed and nobody comes out of this looking good. I think a great deal of harm has been done to Suarez's reputation based on very flimsy (or non existent) evidence. He shouldnt have this hanging over his head IMO

lol @ surfer. Both sides confirmed what was said.

Might have been a more honest and classier reply rather than what he/pool did do leading to him being called an unreliable witness, which is posh for liar.

Evra was allowed to give evidence whilst watching footage of the incident. He was able to comment as each confrontation occured on the screen.
Suraez was asked to explain what happened without that benefit. This I understand was what gave rise to the "unreliable witness" allegation.

I read every word of the report and didnt see a single shred of evidence. It was one persons word against another and judged upon balance of probability. You probably think that I'm a **** doesnt make it true based on your thoughts though does it....

This^^ is my feeling on the matter, the FA used this as a stick to beat FIFA with, Suarez was convenient.

I await to see what happens with John Terry(the chap that called Ledley King a Lippy Black monkey in 2006 and called Anton Ferdinand a Black C*nt), as the court has to prove beyond reasonable doubt he was guilty, unlike Suarez, where probability was good enough, now if he gets off in court, I firmly believe the FA will let it slide, even though they only look for "probability" they will let it pass, although if they are to be fair they should try him under their rules..

Now this is all I've read on it, and if true I find it pretty amazing that anyone can think he is not a racist.

Copied from the telegraph link below.
The row
In the 62nd minute, Suárez wins a corner and jogs into the United area, where he is being marked by Evra. The two players then become involved in a heated argument, in Spanish:
PE: F------ hell, why did you kick me?
LS: Because you’re black.
PE: Say it to me again, I’m going to kick you.
LS: I don’t speak to blacks.
PE: OK, now I think I’m going to punch you.
LS: OK, blackie, blackie, blackie.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8987656/Luis-Suarez-race-case-how-report-laid-bare-Anfield-events.html ]Link to telegraph[/url]

Source surfer for this claim - preferably with the fa accepting it as true ..new to me

SBZ he admits saying the word negro to evra so it is not one mans word against another SBZ they both agree he said it. much of his defence was that this word is not racist
Are you sure you read the report?
EDIT:here is the report for all those claiming to have read it and say it is one mans word against another FFS he admits he said it this is not in dispute - he even mounts a defence based on why it not racist

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

The whole thing was flawed and nobody comes out of this looking good. I think a great deal of harm has been done to Suarez's reputation based on very flimsy (or non existent) evidence. He shouldnt have this hanging over his head IMO

JY - Yes I did read it. What racist connotation does negro have in spanish?

G_L - why didnt they take Evra's previous misdemeanors into account? Big deal, Suarez does what he has to win, but that doesnt make him racist. Anyone remember Solskjaer and his deliberate professional foul on someone who was clean through on goal to ensure that Man Utd won the title back in the 90s? ...

Or indeed Neville Southall's repeated sendings off for catching the ball when outside his penalty area?

those damn continental biscuits have a lot to answer for...
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lol - are you serious? Suarez is a cheating, biting, diving shithouse. He has no reputation, which is precisely the point why many Liverpool fans feel he got short shrift from the FA - they took his previous character into account when maybe they shouldn't have.

Obvious bias is obvious.

You really ought not to let your hatred of LFC cloud your logic and reasoning when posting. See JY's posts for an example. Didn't you post something about Bolton's fantastic victory on SBZ's thread yesterday? Let it go man. It's not pretty. You showed yourself up the last time this came up too. There's still time to rescue a sense of perspective here.

The word "negro" can have pejorative connotations, as it may be associated with low class
status, ugliness, vulgar behaviour, noisiness, violence, dishonesty, sexual promiscuity etc.
In the River Plate region, for example, "los negros" is sometimes employed as a general
term for the lower classes and especially for lower-class people whose behaviour is
deemed vulgar and not "respectable".
171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms;
often the word would be appended with further insult, as in the example "negro de
mierda" [shitty black].
172. The word "negro" is by no means, however, always used offensively. The term can also be
used as a friendly form of address to someone seen as somewhat brown-skinned or even
just black-haired. It may be used affectionately between man and wife, or
girlfriend/boyfriend, it may be used as a nickname in everyday speech, it may be used to
identify in neutral and descriptive fashion someone of dark skin; several famous people in
Uruguay are known as "el negro/la negra such-and-such".

now at the time they were arguing and Suarez was nipping him [ he admits all this].
The balance of probabilities are that he an evra were not having a friendly exchange [ FFS who could think that?} and it was used pejoratively.

if you want to believe the friendly [s]liar[/s]inconsistent suarez nipped someone whilst calling him negro as friendly banter [ watch the video, friendly my arse]then so be it but it is incredulous to the point even a small child would not try and pas it off as truth

I lived in South America, racism is rife. Negro is used as an affectionate term, while I guess being used to subjugate black people. Words have power.

Using it on a pitch in the UK while trying to rile people is completely different. He's been in Europe long enough to know that now.

If Evra is hassled by the Liverpool support because of complaining of being racially abused (and not the usual Man Utd player rubbish) then it says a lot about certain fans of Liverpool FC.

The whole thing was sparked off by Evra cheating. There was a clash of knees and Evra went down like he'd been shot.

I don't think there's any point in saying the "worst" sections of any teams's supporters are any better than others. No sport's fans come anywhere near as bilious as football fans.

Again, the fact that Evra is a massive cock has no bearing on this. Lots of players from lots of teams are massive cocks. Indeed, Evra is one of the more massive ones, but that doesn't merit racism.

I'm sure I'll just be accused of anti-scouse sentiment, but the way Liverpool FC handled the whole affair was ridiculous. Those t shirts? FFS! Absurd. And now of course being proudly sported by the numpty who was racialy abusing the Oldham defender the other week. Well done Kenny. The NF racist mornons now have their iconic image and poster boy. What an idiot!

The actual accusations are neither here nor there any more. Its about the [i]perception[/i]

And the perception is that LFC are unquestioning apologists for racism.

Note how neither Fergie or Evra uttered a word in public on the matter. Something they could do with taking some notice of at the other end of the M62

Give them enough rope......

Yes binbins, you're also letting your sentiment cloud your judgement. Sad to see. 😐

And the perception is that LFC are unquestioning apologists for racism.

"Where you stand depends on where you sit" as they say and your allegiances are well known. This is not a fair criticism. LFC may have handled this badly I wouldnt argue with that. That they have become a racist club overnight is ridiculous.

yes nice blaming the victim SBZ the fact evra is a massive cock is neither here nor there in this case [ he is ]. Many players are for all teams and in all walks of live but racial abuse is not warranted.

FFS yu cant justify racism because you dont like him. Criticise him by all means for what he does but for his skin colour, is that why he is a massive cock, perhaps its because he is french:roll:

It seems certain , sadly, that evra will get abuse from liverpool fans [ who are no more racist than any other football fans]
Remember when other teams used to throw bananas at Barnes ...poor whoever does it.
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Not neccessarily Brivisimo.

I watched the Liverpool v Bolton game on Saturday with my scouse, Liverpool supporting mate. We were on about the whole affair and he said he was acutely embarrassed by Liverpool's handling of the whole thing, and that is has done irreparable damage to the club, and undermined all their previous good work against racism

And surfer - I'm not saying Liverpool is a racist club. That's ridiculous. But the handling was hopelessly naive to say the least

Note how neither Fergie or Evra uttered a word in public on the matter.

Although Evra did "utter" offensive remarks to Suarez on the pitch, and he admitted to that. To his credit Suarez claimed he hadnt heard them.

and that is has done irreparable damage to the club, and undermined all their previous good work against racism

Keep it up Binners a one man campaign 🙄

http://news.sky.com/home/video/health/video/16144726

John Barnes speaks sense.

Surfer. This was coming from a mate who's a scouser, and a fanatical Liverpool fan.

its creditable he did not hear it. I assume you think it is good that evra did not notice Suarez nipping him till shown the video replay of the incident..you dont want to be biased now do you and just praise one player for not noticing something.
so can you now credit evra for not noticing something that happened, for balance obviously

John Barnes speaks sense.

You really ought not to let your hatred of LFC cloud your logic and reasoning when posting. See JY's posts for an example. Didn't you post something about Bolton's fantastic victory on SBZ's thread yesterday? Let it go man. It's not pretty. You showed yourself up the last time this came up too. There's still time to rescue a sense of perspective here.

binbins in "some of me best mates are scousers" shocka. 🙂

We've all got our crosses to bear mate 😉

Do I Garry? That's because I am. You however continue to sound like someone who cannot get beyond your (very) obvious hatred of LFC (it's never less than patently obvious). You need to let this go. It will only eat you up inside.

If his charchter is not in question why do you then go on to question it - i say question I mean slag off - why bother its not in question 😕
here gary as the chance was wasted have a more useful implement
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Garry_Lager is a dyed in the wool Evertonian. I wouldnt expect anything less in the way of bile spouted towards LFC than what he gives us. To be fair, if I had the misfortune to be an Everton fan I'd be bitter too. 😀

He's a decent enough bloke though.

Why Liverpool and their fans cannot see this makes them biased nd out of touch with the general view is lost on me tbh

I dont understand your previous points so I wont comment. You do have "form" in bashing Scousers however so it takes one to know one!

ah sidestep the issue [ you cant bring yourself to praise him for doing what suarez did can you ] and accuse me of bias BRILLIANT - that is as creditable as Suarez's defence APPLAUSE

Bash liverpool can you cite me on that I love this game [ I miss elf ] 😥

Liverpool are without doubt one of the greatest teams the league has ever seen , have a trophy winning record to be proud of and envious of [ 5 euro cups chapeau] and are a fantastic club with fantastic supporters.
Standing in Anfield signing you will never walk alone is hairs on the back of the kneck stuff for anyone.
great team , great players Huge respect even for king kenny.

so can you couter this vuew of mine with some quotes from me 😀
Perhaps you want to join in and praise Man U?

You also forgot to source your claim that evra had video evidence to recall his account and Suarez did not

I love football me, its the fans that let it down

evra , loves to stir FACT

He was the ringleader taking the French national team off the pitch in a training session 2010

He was the aggressor of groundstaff at chelsea 2008

I dont think he was innocent in this incident ,EVRA has form and in no way do I condone Suarez's actions but he is a bad un !

You also forgot to source your claim that evra had video evidence to recall his account and Suarez did not

It's in that report that I didnt read....

number please sbz cheers [not saying that is not true but its a new claim to me] but it was surfers claims not yours

So you read it since I posted the link Well done 😉

Again, the fact that Evra is a massive cock has no bearing on this. Lots of players from lots of teams are massive cocks. Indeed, Evra is one of the more massive ones, but that doesn't merit racism.

I remember thinking the same thing about Paul Ince.

I'm sat here trying to work out what the point of this thread is. And then it dawned on me.
It's to flush out ElfinFred's new ID, isn't it?

I can see no other point for it. I have my own view (very close to Binners'). Others have other views but none of us are going to change those opinions are we?

[ I miss elf ]

Liverpool are without doubt one of the greatest teams the league has ever seen , have a trophy winning record to be proud of and envious of [ 5 euro cups chapeau] and are a fantastic club with fantastic supporters.
Standing in Anfield signing you will never walk alone is hairs on the back of the kneck stuff for anyone.
great team , great players Huge respect even for king kenny.

Your getting the hang of it now.

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8992915/Liverpool-to-complain-to-FA-over-handling-of-Luis-Suarez-case-and-demand-reform-of-disciplinary-process.html ]About halfway down.[/url]

JY - 12 and onwards.

scouse bashers call to "lANESRA " last call to spout shi***

These threads do lack the input of Lanesra to be fair. 🙂

They stay open far too long IMO.

amen to that DD
Surfer you are just not answering the other questions so we are not actually talking we are just on the same thread. Poor, you cant prove my bias or praise Evra for doing what Suarez did, or say nice things about man u can you, but i am biased 🙄

SBZ Cheers- still confused the original claim is that

Evra was allowed to give evidence whilst watching footage of the incident. He was able to comment as each confrontation occured on the screen.
Suraez was asked to explain what happened without that benefit. This I understand was what gave rise to the "unreliable witness" allegation.

Liverpool are unhappy that Evra was granted three meetings with the FA and given access to video evidence well in advance of the December hearing.
It is Liverpool’s belief that Evra was coached by the FA disciplinary team before meeting the commission, enabling him to piece together his version of events to tally with the footage and appear more consistent in his verbal evidence than he had been in earlier statements.
Suárez, who did not have access to the same video evidence until he sat in front of the commission, according to Liverpool, inevitably had a sketchier memory of what had happened at particular points of the game which had been played two months earlier. This made him seem less sure of what took place at certain moments considered of importance by the commission.

This is not the same thing
its possible everyone is biased but LCa nd their fans but I doubt it.

Really folks, have we nothing better to do with our time than recycle old arguments? Go out and ride your bike, and relax.

Honestly, i despair at how much time this cycling website forum dedicates to bitching with one another.

This is the chat forum bigG. Here is where we waste stupid amounts of time arguing about things we will never change.

bigG +1

Honestly, i despair

bigG earlier today:
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Really folks, have we nothing better to do with our time than recycle old arguments? Go out and ride your bike, and relax.

Honestly, i despair at how much time this cycling website forum dedicates to bitching with one another.

+ ?

I despair at how much time some posters waste to tell us how we're all wasting our time posting on the chat section of a cycling forum about important issues of the day.

good work DD lets argue about that instead ...quick start a thread 😉

I agree with you DD different folk do different stuff..plenty of threads dont interest me but I manage to contain my ire to the extent I dont post on them about my disinterest

Oooohhh woe is me, my posh apple phone just broke what should I do? help me , help me ...like I care but did I say anything ...no because i dont care 😛

Discussing two blokes arguing on a football pitch is hardly an important issue of the day regardless of the subject

but did I say anything ...no because i dont care.

And you knew it would hurt my delicate feelings. 🙂

Discussing two blokes arguing on a football pitch is hardly an important issue of the day regardless of the subject

In fairness, given that it was a discussion that involved racism from one to another in our most popular sport (apart from fishin'), I think it's a fairly important issue of the day. Do you not think that racism in our most popular sport (outside of fishin') is an important topic?

EDIT: ninja edit to remove double negative 😳

No I dont 2 blokes in the heat of a game arguing and insults get thrown