Dobbo,
Not any more. I'll be doing 41 years. Imagine a 60 year old patrolling your city centre on a Friday or Saturday night....
slow hand clap for all the public servants infighting, mostly without the full true facts or any real understanding of other sectors work or conditions, save that reported...
however you look at it, you gotta hand it to the powers that be, divide and conquer.
Dobbo. Yes. That is what i based my life decisions on.
andymc06 - Member
Also i am now planning for the future based on the changes. The police service and the public will lose out as many skilled officers look to do the same. I think that that is rather a shame.
And so you should not least because there's no place for cynical malcontents (I.e. not 100% committed to 'the' cause) in that sort of job. 'They' don't seem to care about haemorrhaging skills and experience, 'they' just see head count and cost. This is because business management has found it's way into managing public services. Presumably if I get arrested, I'm now a 'customer' in the same way I'm no longer a patient to the NHS?
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No longer the case however!!!
scotchegg do you still have to pay 11% as well then?
And so you should Boblo? How patronising. What do you? Because I voice my concerns about my pay and conditions being decimated I'm a cynical malcontent?
Always fancied joining up but this thread is certainly food for thought. (not that I can find any one recruiting anyway)
http://www.socahighpotential.co.uk/
not quite the police service but might be of interest
ScottChegg - MemberYet it was Gordon and Tony who initially set the Pension business wobbling by raiding every Pension fund in the land. Except the Public sector Pension, which is paid for by taxpayers. Maybe Snooty is just evening the playing field?
it was nigel lawson that came up with the idea of pension holidays and taxing pension surplusses
that was the moment all pensions started their decline
granted nulabour were no better but if theres one man who is to blame its him (incidently his pension pot wouldve been huge and mostly funded by the taxpayer)
That may well be the case for you but I can't imagine such altruism runs throughout the force. There's loads of reasons why people join up and 'doing good' isn't always at the top of the list.
To be fair, with the exception of one lad who had strong ties with a particularly unsavoury crime group, I don't know anyone who [i]Didn't[/i] join for that reason.
Nope about 14% now.
I gave up the prospects of further education to join the police. I am 28 with 9 years service. I have no qualifications that can be utilised outside of policing.
I love the job. But wish I had made some different decisions in my life.
Soca would be a great career
how many police took early retirement whilst awaiting disciplinary action, ---- accountability is key for all services, with the police we certainly need a robust independent authority, not as at present where investigations are often in house, or by other 'forces'
We had a chief constable who was way ahead of his time (n wales)-- he knew a cultural change was needed amongst his own, he has since retired, but met him a couple of times, the guy was straight down the line, very hard on the motorist, was big on community policing, and beleived drug policy should be a health not criminal matter.
To all my colleagues: good luck in the future whatever it brings. Stay safe.
andymc06 - Member
And so you should Boblo? How patronising. What do you? Because I voice my concerns about my pay and conditions being decimated I'm a cynical malcontent?
Sorry, that wasn't meant to be as offensive as it sounds. You said you were making alternative plans and someone up there ^ mentioned cynicism, I was responding to that. What I meant (but expressed badly) is unless you're 100% on it, I would imagine being elsewhere is a much better bet.
As for me, I reinforce the STW stereotype alas (apart from the mandatory tubbyness)
Ah Brunstrom. What a **** he was. Even most welsh people hated him.
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We had a chief constable who was way ahead of his time (n wales)-- he knew a cultural change was needed amongst his own, he has since retired, but met him a couple of times, the guy was straight down the line, very hard on the motorist, was big on community policing, and beleived drug policy should be a health not criminal matter.
I think he was also considered a bit of a 'Joke' by the residents of N.Wales. Very unpopular and lacked respect from the public - penalising otherwise law abiding motorists for straying a few mph over the speed limit rather than chasing criminals was the common perception. Lots of locals residents could breathe a big sign of relief when he left, no longer having to fear being caught going about their daily business by police officers with spy cameras hiding inside horse boxes.
Fair enough Boblo.
ill informed crap as ever, Brunstrum - he was ahead of his time, 67 road deaths in one year, he said most were 'preventable'-- speed plays a huge part in most of those, if there were 67 murders on his patch there would be an outcry....
speed plays a huge part in most of those
Rubbish, speed does not cause accidents - 'bad driving' does. Brunstrom's hate campaign against speeders just reinforced the mentality that so long as you don't speed then you must be a safe driver. He couldn't have been more wrong.
i love speeding motorists, its always someone else not them who are the problem !
the horse box, was placed at a notorious stretch of the A470, where there have been a number of fatalities, a well known speed area, so what defence should you have if you are endangering others by your actions ?
people driving to fast for the prevailing conditions if you want another wording, you lose control you are by definition going too fast--
This thread is not about speeding....
guns don't kill- its the people with them......
where did he say you were a safe driver by not speeding? thats just claptrap, a false premise used by the roadhogs, me i'm great its all the others who can't drive......
Not to drag this further offtopic, but ask Mark Gibney's family what they think of Brunstrom.
But every job has its bad apples and to hold up one crap chief constable in a thread about the service in general is a bit poor IMO.
Bregante - that was a very interesting OP and I am sure very helpful to the recipient. It was also very heartfelt given the appalling news yesterday. But so many things captured there, its almost too much to take in.
I guess there is pretty broad support for the amazing jobs that you do and the extremely difficult conditions that you face. Most of us cannot comprehend them, nor the daily challenges of potentially facing extreme danger and having to play by somewhat artificial rules when addressing them. Of course, there are some here and in society who are less supportive, but I think they are in the minority.
But then there is separate issue that you raise about pay and conditions. And even that is not straightforward. So Andymc06 argues that...
All we are asking for, irrespective of what is happening to others, is what we signed up to.
...which is true for most people across most professions and sectors. So the crux comes in his later point...
It's excessive given what we sacrifice and are prepared to sacrifice every day for strangers and society as a whole.
...that's the real nub and frankly not an easy one to answer. But good to have a separate thread to debate it.
As its a cycle forum, I will leave it with a "chapeau" to you and your colleagues.
policing requires consent to be effective, and in some parts of the country that has obviously broken down.
Having worked alongside police, like others on here, with the most disadvantaged,and vulnerable parts of society, it can blinker your view of life.
Look on the bright side.
All of the police on here will be working for G4S soon. 😀
I am making plans to leave, as are a number of my shift. Those of us younger in service have been well and truly stuffed by this government. We are all on a far inferior pension already as Labour bought in a new plan in 2006. I can't see much point in those that stay paying 14% into a pension that will pay so little out. Years of stress and shift work mean police officers die very young so they will be lucky to make it to their new retirement age. Pay and conditions aside, I don't want to be part of Winsor's new police force. His proposals will end in a paramilitary style police force of young men. All nonviolent tasks will be taken on by civilian (private sector) staff. Everything will be done on the cheap. My current force are using G4S to attend burglaries already.
Thank you to our colleagues in green who are also out and about every night. I hope things work out for you guys.
The speed limits were originally chosen to make collisions survivable. Hit a pedestian at les than 30mph and they have a chance of surviving, more and they have almost no chance. Hav e problem on the open road at 50mph and the chances are that by the time you hit anything you'll have slowed and little and will survive. The limits are too high in urban areas IMO.
But every job has its bad apples and to hold up one crap chief constable in a thread about the service in general is a bit poor IMO.
That's not what happened. Someone attempted to hold him up as an example of good police 😆
how is he a 'bad' apple-- compared to who---
Find it interesting that a progressive police chief is called a bad un
Current coppers will lament the change in conditions and pay but as there a plenty of people wanting to join as the pay,pension and conditions are still better than most.
Its the same in the forces, nursing, councills and big companies etc but people still sign up
have a good look around people in the private sector may get similar pay but the pensions can be vairiable or non existant and other benefits like sick pay can be very poor and job security is very poor
I hope the good coppers stay in post and carry on looking after the public
I find it staggering how many people seem to think they know all about policing because they once watched Panorama, an episode of the Bill and are annoyed that the guy who nicked their lawnmower wasnt caught. Its a profession requiring training, skill and experience. The same as any other. I wouldnt profess to know how to carry out an apendectomy or fly an Apache. The specialist job I do within the police is incredibly rewarding and important but it will never be recognised in public and the modest rewards I signed up for are being taken away from me. Funnily enough that annoys me, the same as it would all the self-righteous, mis-informed big mouths on here. I got a very good degree and offered a well paid job in the City. Instead I chose to join up to help people. The current government and the mainstam media are slowly eroding what is consistently regarded as the best police service in the world. Sure its not perfect, but its still the best.
Are you surfmat?
I wish
Nonsense-- that is true of all public sector workers, maligned, overworked and defo underpaid, the media are owned mostly by a few very rich individuals, he who pays the piper.......
self-righteous, mis-informed big mouths on here
Anyone who criticises the police is this? There are lots of more dangerous jobs and lots that help people and plenty that are harder and have worse pay and conditions. Just saying.
Nonsense-- that is true of all public sector workers, maligned, overworked and defo underpaid, the media are owned mostly by a few very rich individuals, he who pays the piper..
maligned yes
media owned by v rich with their own agenda yes
the rest no
Rudebwoy, you are the first person I have ever heard say anything good about him! Without exception the perception from the people round me was he was obsessed with speeding and even spent his spare time at speed traps, also earning the nickname traffic Taliban!. It may well have been undeserved but that was the perception and it really did not help with relations with the people I know and to be honest they were glad when he went. This is a real shame because this one element of his strategy overshadowed all his other work, you can argue all you like about the legitimacy of his actions but when the public don't support you it makes things more difficult...
he was evangelical in some ways, met him first at an open meeting, he took questions from all for hours, i went with an open mind, and it shocked me that i found myself agreeing with virtually all he said.
The fact that clarkson made him public enemy no1 should be in his favour.He was not on a popularity contest, perhaps he was wanted to do too much too quickly, but don't condemn him for that.
I find it staggering how many people seem to think they know all about policing .......
Sure I do........the present Tory government (and their LibDem lackeys) reckons I know so much about policing that I will have a say in selecting my local police and crime commissioner.
It's a well known fact that Joe Public is an expert when it comes to fighting crime and deterrents. String 'em up, arm the police, and zero tolerance, is the result of expert analysis and well informed conclusions reached whilst having a pint down the pub with equally well-informed mates.
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The current government and the mainstam media are slowly eroding what is consistently regarded as the best police service in the world. Sure its not perfect, but its still the best.
Slowly but surely all the things which once made Britain unique and the envy of the world have been eroded to a level that at best are now average. The two British institutions still remaining which provide a shinning example to the rest of the world are the BBC and British police.
But don't expect any commitment to those two institutions from this shower of ****s now in power, and their private/profit fetishes.
Marcus7, strangely Mr Brunstrom targeted motorists speeding and breaking the laws, as they have the potential to kill and seriously injure other road users,and often do, i would rather have a few officers manning a speed camera, than trying to track down a thief who has stolen a pair of trainers ,also it was north wales police speed camera team that spotted and charged the a neighbouring chief constable with speeding, the same chap was also the head of the ACPO roads policing unit.
At the present time to much of the polices time is taken up with dealing with alchol fueled incidents, and social service type requests, its about time families where forced to take comntrol of their problems, or just be ignored and left to fight it out between themselves.
Have a read of a book called wasting police time, written by a serbving police officer, and see the sort of pointless social services day he has to deal with.
