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Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-16669297
There seems to have been an exponential increase in bull terrier type dogs where I live. I crap myself when they are off the lead in the park and I am there with our twins (3). Would be happy for them all to be destroyed.
Much as I would happily have a world where dogs don't exist; kids have been mauled by dogs of many breeds and it's not just pitbull's that have bad owners, so no. Plus there may be some practical issues to arranging such a cull.
iirc when the dangerous dogs act was introduced, figures from the RSPCA indicated that the most common breed in attacks was the labrador, and that when figures were equalised for numbers owned, collies was the breed deemed most likely to attack.
It's the owners, not the dogs, that are responsible.
That's probably true MSP. The thing that scares me most is that a terriers jaws are almost impossible to prise apart.
True nikk, but the op has proposed shooting both the dog and the owner. If we just take out the owner we would be left with a lot of pitbull's, just think of the possible cost to public funds looking after them.
Theres a difference between frequency or liklyhood of being attacked and how dangerous the attack.
maybe a collie attack more frequently, but which dog would you want to face off to, pitbull or collie?
Evey one of these dangerous dogs need culled and if you are caught with one you should be given 10 year min.
Modern society should not have to put up with these dogs.
Where in the article did it say anything about a pit bull?
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pitbull was in the bbc news this morning.
Don't blame the dogs - it is invariably the owners fault and TBH I'd be quite happy for some of the owners to be shot. The emphasis is on [b]some[/b], as most of these dogs I come into contact with are very friendly.
So OP, presuming your are seeking to make a serious point, how would you reduce tho risk of dog attacks?
Shooting an entire breed and all owners is of course ludicrous.
Just wondered if you actually had something constructive to say, rather than moan.
From BBC "The dog is thought to be a black and white bull terrier."
So not confirmed what kind of dog. If the attack wasn't sad enough the owner leaving the scene is disgraceful
The dog is thought to be a black and white bull terrier.
Were you starting a letter the the Daily Mail? Owner problem, not dog problem. Reactionary public problem as well.
culling an entire breed would be pointless as these irrisponcible owners will just latch on to another type of dog to train up.
i do beleive that dog licences should be brought back with mandatory chipping.
Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
Yes, all dangerous dogs should be controlled.
What I'd like to know is what is the difference between a dangerous Pit Bull and a child loving Staffy?
Because you don't see very many Pit Bulls out and about, and it would be a crying shame to simply destroy 100s of dogs through ignorance and jeking knees.
What on earth gives you that idea to make such an idiotic statement? I was quoting the BBC as that is the only evidence that the make of dog [b]is not known[/b]Were you starting a letter the the Daily Mail?
Agreed. Some sense then 😀Owner problem, not dog problem.
What we need to consider is that when i were a lad it was rotties that were the problem now its bull breeds (which are less aggressive towards people than gsd dobberman etc) which to me shows its the bloody owners that need shooting first. Round our way its american bulldogs and crosses between them and staffies that al the ****wits own.
Tragic for the kid and must be horrific for the parents, hope the owner is caught and put to sleep.
If we just take out the owner we would be left with a lot of pitbull's, just think of the possible cost to public funds looking after them.
I don't think we're looking at all the angles here.. large marauding packs of feral pitbulls would have a very welcome effect on the drunk kids hanging out on street corners in the evenings..
I would vote for a law to be introduced to provide a 1 year amnesty for owners of any designated breed of dangerous dog to be put down (the dog not the owner)
After that if you are seen on the street/public place with a dog the police should arrest you resulting in an automatic 5 year mandatory prison sentence with no chance parole.
Yunki maybe i'm feeling a bit tired this am but that seems in very poor taste given what the threads about.
Who needs a pitbull?
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poor taste
I like kids but I couldn't eat a whole one..
Get rid of them, sooner the better.
Seeing as dogs have the potential to be a dangerous weapon maybe it's time for proper licensing, too expensive to implement I suppose but dogs are expensive things to own so probably OK to put this cost on the owner. Could have a scheme were it's a lot cheaper to have, say, a labrador than a pitbull.
Could have a scheme were it's a lot cheaper to have, say, a labrador than a pitbull.
making them even more of a status symbol.. and therefore likely to be owned by bell-ends with even more skewed morals..
not a good idea
Dog and owner left the scene!!
Surely thats got to be viewed legally like a hit and run or even worse.
Its amazing the scum that exists in this world.
Surely only the responsible owners would have their dog licensed and chipped. In any case how does licensing dogs prevent or minimise attacks? If an owner is irresponsible And the dog is capable of this then the dog being licensed will be of little consolation to the child.
just think, next time it could be a child's face!
I love dogs. However, I don't believe that any breed has an inherent right to exist. After all, all dogs are the same species - we don't need to protect genetic diversity unless the breed is truely wild. Pit bulls are essentially poodles with powerful jaws and necks which have been optimised by man for fighting. Why retain these traits if they are no longer needed? It is possible to breed a dog that logs like a pit bull but with the docile personality of a Labrador. Bad dog owners undoubtedly contribute to the aggressive nature of any dog of any breed through neglect. In Germany dog owners need to do a practical test and get a licence to own dogs. I don't want this to be imposed in the UK because of a small minority of people with a fetish for niche breed.
[i]docile personality[/i]
a dogs personality is a "reflection" of the owners.
In my experience of these dogs, my partner's chavvy brother and various inbred types near where we live all seem to love staffies, they're usually great with people but an absolute nightmare around other dogs to the point where its impossible to walk them off the lead if theres another dog within half a mile.
I now carry a 5 cell maglite when I take my dog out after being attacked by one a few months back. Luckily the owner grabbed it before it got hold but its not a nice experience.
Personally cant see the point in a keeping a dog like this, seems like a lot of hassle and potential trouble just to look like a hard man. Then again I'm not a chav so have no desire for a status symbol dog.
Surely only the responsible owners would have their dog licensed and chipped
You attach draconian penalties to unlicensed/unchipped dogs/owners. Random stop checks and some high profile cases to make examples of people.
Only licensed people can walk dogs. All dogs must be chipped with a corresponding DNA record. All costs covered by the dog licensing tariff. Transfers of ownership to be formalised like it is with cars.
Dogs on leads mandatory in public places where children are likely to be. All dogs liable to bite must be muzzled when in public or around children.
Owner is ultimately responsible for their dogs actions, whether they are present or not. This would mean of a dog rips a childs face off, they are tried as if they had personally done it.
6 month amnesty to become compliant.
Sorry if this offends, but recent personal experiences have left me feeling that something significant needs to be done. I know it punishes responsible folk, but so does the insurance industry and many other things we put up with.
Edit: I should add that I would hope the high penalties and initial costs would put off the numpties and that the eventual costs would be within a reasonable bracket.
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Owner is ultimately responsible for their dogs actions, whether they are present or not. This would mean of a dog rips a childs face off, they are tried as if they had personally done it.
this sounds like a good idea.. I'd vote for that
the concept of people using dogs as weapons in abhorrent.
society could aspire to a more dignified level of humanity if people were just tooled up with baseball bats instead.
Don't blame the dogs - it is invariably the owners fault
some dogs are nuts i had an Alsation put down as it would just attack folk without ..it was not my fault an dyou could not train it out of this mode.
Some doga are dangerous and some owners are dangerous
I assume we would like dog attacks to never happen but I see no easy solution to this problem
We has a boxer /american pit bull cross outside our ofice doors and no one would leave so i went out [ no one else would] and it went mental as soon as I appeared...wagging its tail and whimpering for attention it fair licked me to death when I went over to it....evil evil dog and its owner was unemployed and in a shell suit...go figure eh....should i wrtie to the Daily mail with my real life horror story ?
There's more jerking knees here than at the knee jerking convention at knee jerk city, in knee jerk county USA...
Put em all down..yeah right 🙄 more are killed by bikes, crush em all?
We don't need new rules or laws, enforcing the ones we have would do...
i have nothing constructive to say
Even for STW, this is about as daily mail as it can get.
I'm not jerking any knees. The sentiment has been building for years.
I imagine the problem is much worse in some areas than others, and I guess the cultural shift that's needed is that dog ownership shouldn't be entered in to lightly.
I'm not jerking any knees.
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I think threads like this should be banned and the owner of the keyboard that started should have some kind of training and undergo some form of psychological testing as these threads serve no useful purpose except in the form of trolling and allowing others people with extremist views to pollute the interweb with their intolerance and ignorance. If all keyboard users had some form of licence I feel the forum could be free of these intellectually challenged knee jerkers.
Saludos.
What on earth gives you that idea to make such an idiotic statement? I was quoting the BBC as that is the only evidence that the make of dog is not known
It wasn't your thread title but the sentence in your post:
Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
which clearly stands out as a potential 'letter-to-Daily-Mail'-esque idiotic statement.
Practically every time someone is attacked by a dog and its in the news they say its a Pitbull. There have been times they have said that and it wasn't even a terrier, let alone a Pitbull.
It wasn't your thread title but the sentence in your post:Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
Exactly when did I make that comment please? 🙄
The owner of the dog is described as a white male, aged approximately 38 to 40 years old, with cropped blond hair.They had left the scene when the Metropolitan Police and London Ambulance arrived.
Responsible dog owner that!
Exactly when did I make that comment please?
Indeed. You didn't. Your post was perfectly reasonable. I don't know why it was attacked and misquoted. Perhaps an untrained poster.
Quite DD. 😀
do you mean yappy and annoying? 😀
Yeah probably Junky - anyway not worth adding insult to idiocy. Previous post edited
The owner of the dog is described as a white male, aged approximately 38 to 40 years old, with cropped blond hair.
Just about a description of me, no mention of tattoos though, so I'm off the hook. 😀
I may not like dogs, but the issue is not the dogs themselves, it is the sort of person who chooses certain breeds of dog.
Around here i see a lot of bull terriers with the chavs, i also see a fair few malamutes although the owners tend to be wealthier, neither of them are dogs i really want to be near, but i could expand that to Collies, Alsatians, Dobermans, Rotties, etc etc. Basically any dog that i know the owner can only control through respect.
The owner may be in control, just i know there are too many people who can't.
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these threads serve no useful purpose except in the form of trolling and allowing others people with extremist views to pollute the interweb with their intolerance and ignorance.
What you mean just like you, pmsl oh the hypocrisy.
What you mean just like you, pmsl oh the hypocrisy.
Where's the hypocrisy? Is that a synonym of pointing the finger and laughing?
No just the usual pish trotted out when someone dosnt like a thread topic of a view expressed in one.
After all you have to remember its just a mountain bike forum not a UN debating chamber. i.e. its hardly serious or important.
No just the usual pish trotted out when someone dosnt like a thread topic of a view expressed in one.
The definition of pish;
Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
No just the usual pish trotted out when someone dosnt like a thread topic of a view expressed in one.
I do worry that people think that views like this...
Isnt it time all dogs like this were shot along with their owners.
Are not only normal and acceptable but that anyone who criticises them is somehow made to feel to be the odd one. I tend to feel that anyone who would want the mass killing of a group as being somewhat extreme.
I would also consider a dangerous dog attack on a 6 year old child as being both serious and important.
But hey, each to their own I suppose.
I still haven't been told where my hypocrisy is... Hang on it's pish and not hypocrisy. I hope that you're lucky enough not to be on the receiving end of illogical and badly thought out prejudices.
So perhaps the idea of shooting the dogs and their owneres is a bit ott. Even the doggy mob cant object to licences surely? £50 say, adhere to certain standards, no licence no dog.
Less children attacked and probably less chavs carrying knives to protect themselves from chavs hanging on to dogs.
I hope that you're lucky enough not to be on the receiving end of illogical and badly thought out prejudices
yes there is nothing worse
Like you I prefer the well thought out and logical prejudices like ......erm like....erm ...erm ....
All Dogs worrying children will be shot!
A 12 year old girl in the states suggested a compulsory DNA database for dogs to reduce fouling. She was ignored.
Now some mayors round the world are considering it.
Combined with an incentive scheme where owners get paid to register and placement of sheperds with rifles and some sheep in urban parks, I reckon this could be a good incentive and deterrent.
Even the doggy mob cant object to licences surely?
I personally have no problem with licences or background checks, I do have problems with baseless generalisations and jerking knees. I assume that we could have licences in other areas of life too for things that cause me problems loud noise, tail gaters and particularly loud and tasteless shirts.
Like you I prefer the well thought out and logical prejudices like ......erm like....erm ...erm ....
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You know what? People get run over by cars, they fall off ladders and cliffs and roofs, scald themselves with kettles and baths, burn themselves while ironing, get crushed by falling trees, squashed at football matches, bitten by dogs, shot by others, shot by themselves, injure themselves with DIY tools, drown while swimming, drown in ferry accidents... the point is, bad things happen, that's life. You can't ban everything and you can't keep making laws (because lots of laws encourage people to abdicate responsibility for their own actions).
How many dogs are there in this country? I don't know - millions I expect. Every now and then there's an accident. I am very very sorry about the little girl, a very bad thing to happen, but accidents do happen. I bet you dog biting accidents are very low as a percentage of how many dogs there are.
Also, when do we get to hear about the good dogs do? Ah, no, that doesn't sell papers. We never hear how dogs help depressed people back to health or how autistic children respond to dogs where they cannot respond to other humans, what about assistance dogs? or companion dogs? Nope, we never hear about all that.
Shouldn't we be examining society to see why some members feel they need to project their hostility/rage/violence through their dogs? In any event, this should be dealt with individually, not with a scatter-gun, let's shoot 'em all strategy.
I blame the personification of dumb animals
Karinfonine- could not put it better myself.
An owner problem not a dog problem? Like gun violence in America is an owner problem not a gun problem? Take away the dogs, take away this particular problem.
Then shoot the owners.
Whats p1sses me off most is these fekwits (& you can see them coming, all macho posturing etc) think having a dog like a pitbull et al makes them more of a man. Frankly I feel sorry for the dimwitted twits.
I wouldn't describe a child being bitten by a dog as an accident.
if she'd tripped and fallen into it's mouth, that might be an accident.
but a dog biting a child is not an accident.
dog = accident waiting to happen..?
An owner problem not a dog problem? Like gun violence in America is an owner problem not a gun problem? Take away the dogs, take away this particular problem.
As guns are banned in the UK, the people have knives. As knives are being banned the people have [i]dangerous[/i] dogs. Banning the dogs sounds like a great idea. I just wonder what will be used as the next measure of machismo.
Perhaps I need to think this one through a bit more carefully...
Blimey stevewhyte goes quiet when he's challenged..at least he accepts his views are unimportant.
I bet you dog biting accidents are very low as a percentage of how many dogs there are.
Did the dog bite the person by accident or did it do it on purpose?
There are no examples of someone being bitten by accident by a dog to the extent they nearly loose an ear and require plastic surgery. That is not an accident it is an attack with multiple injuries sustained.
FFS a young child requires plastic surgery and you call it an accident.
Dogs are great but not them all or all their owners.
Status on internet forums, it's for sure the next big thing...As guns are banned in the UK, the people have knives. As knives are being banned the people have dangerous dogs. Banning the dogs sounds like a great idea. I just wonder what will be used as the next measure of machismo
Anyhow, shouldn't the guns be banned here? The knives? Why not the dogs too?
And then, yeah, some kind of control of big hitters too 😉
Why not the dogs too?
Because the people who are responsible for this violence will just find another weapon?
Apart from the police saying it was "unprovoked", does anyone have more details of this particular attack before we slaughter innocent animals?
And then, yeah, some kind of control of big hitters too
I don't think he's seen the thread yet, but it won't be long before we get the [i]dogs must be under sufficient control to pacify me and my dislike of dogs[/i] speech. 😛
dont you think its time these pitbulls were made to wear a lead permanently / i hope a new law comes into force for this type of dog ...
ive said time and time again "dog owners just dont understand the mind of a dog = 'people are people' and 'dogs are dogs' thats it, if dogs have tthe sudden instinct to attack = they will.. reguardless if the owners think thier dog is normal and well behaved at home...many dog owners i come across always say 'oh my dog is friendly-he wont hurt you or your dog..
cough cough ( a dog is always hunting ! thats what they do....
im not saying all dogs are like this : but your dog has a different brain to humans (im just saying (YOU CANT THINK FOR YOUR DOG).... dogs will be dogs ... 😉
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And that means that people shouldn't be banned from carrying weapons? Just because they'll find another?Because the people who are responsible for this violence will just find another weapon?
Apart from the police saying it was "unprovoked", does anyone have more details of this particular attack before we slaughter innocent animals?
And that means that people shouldn't be banned from carrying weapons? Just because they'll find another?
Only insomuch as treating the symptoms rather than looking for a cure is seen as being acceptable and by some a solution. It simply demonstrates that people are the problem and not the weapons that they choose. Fine ban dogs, what will we ban next? A plastic knife, I think you will agree in its current state is quite harmless, in the wrong hangs... Fine let's ban them!!! Where would you like to stop?
dont you think its time these pitbulls were made to wear a lead permanently
they are supposed to be muzzled when in public at all times, we have a law that should deal with the problem of the breeds labelled dangerous. Problem is proving whats a pit bull or part pitbull. Another law would seem to me to be not the answer if we already have one that isnt working.