[Closed] 6 Nations

Hows the gay squad coming on?

[i]Hope he does better than that Paul fella. [/i]

Plays for Leeds now doesn't he? 2 knock-ons in the highlights 🙁

Didn't think Hape looked anywhere near as good as he did in league, bits I've seen of him.

Going to be one hell of a dull game between england and wales at HQ unless the coaches have a change of heart which is unlikely

Wales v England is rarely dull because the welsh hate us so much.
Scotland also hate us but don't have the skill to make a game of it normally. Either that or the Welsh are getting more protein in their diet 🙂

Wales could be

Jenkins
Rees
Jones
AW Jones
AN Other
Ryan Jones
Williams
Powell
Peel
S Jones
S Williams
Hook
Roberts
1/2p
Byrne

what sort of team would we expect england to put out? Cant see their front row matching up to the Welsh. Backrow is a worry for Wales and the backs played like drains in the autumn

Annoyed that Geraghty (sp) isn't in and Hodgson is.
Our pack is inexperienced and lacks aggression which is where we'll be beaten. I'd like to see shaw and grewcock in. We don't have a "proper" fullback and have been lacking creativity in the centre.
On the plus side, JW is playing well!

Armitage seems like a proper fullback to me.

Lacks courage IMO.

bit harsh IMO and 15 is the least of englands worries.

Fair IMO. I preferred Cueto at 15, at least he can tackle and doesn't sh1t himself and pull back going into contact.
10 is currently the least of englands worries, like it or not.
Wanna make a swap, Armitage for Byrne?

double post

I'd swap my left testicle for a fit Gavin Henson 😆

I'd swap a left testicle for a fit Mrs Henson 😀

england wales is on at the cinema's, live and in 3d, gareth thomas bearing down on you in massive full cinema screen three d doesn't bear thinking about.

somehow I doubt very much doubt big gay Alfie will be playing

backhander - Member

Scotland also hate us but don't have the skill to make a game of it normally

Have a look at the record - its pretty even the last few years at the Calcutta cup and this year will go Scotland's way again.

My bet -
no grandslam.

France / ireland fighting for the championship and England / Italy for the wooden spoon. walse and Scotland in the middle.

Its a weak uninspired and uninspiring England team who got taken apart in the AIs compared to a strong and committed if limited Scotland team who beat Aus in the AIs

Does anyone have a spare stand off that Scotland could borrow? One that can both pass and kick would be nice.

we can give you a scrum half in exchange - we have plenty of them or a back row - we have plenty of them as well.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That's brilliant.
You've definately been on the Brandy.
Wooden spoon for the jocks as usual.

we can give you a scrum half in exchange - we have plenty of them or a back row - we have plenty of them as well

Ditto backhander

actually I think the jocks look quite strong. France are quality, Ireland are good and the rest are shite

Hang on a lucky result in dire conditions against austrailia B does not make a good team.

wales could be OK if they had a decent backs coach and the balls to pick Hook at 12. Shanklin and Roberts in the centre just doesnt work.

is there anywhere online that the 6nations can be viewed....?

presuming you are outside UK (if not check the beeb) try here
http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=rugby

I may get flamed for this but it is my opinion.
Wales and Ireland could struggle in a couple of years due to the fact that they're not fielding many young players. BOD etc aren't getting any younger and I've seen Bowe and a new 10 and that's it. Wales may struggle even more, they're resorting to peel, williams etc (who are great players) but they need to get some youth blooded and integrated ASAP. It takes a while. This 6N, I reckon Ireland and Wales up top, England/France middle, Scot/Italy trailing as usual.

alpin - justin tv has the games pirated usually and there are other places as well - usually links off rugby fora.

Backhander - - we don't want Goode thanks - we have our own players of that type. Unless you want to swap him for desparate Dan.

You really feel confident of winning at Murrayfield? you are a brave man. Its a while since England managed that. 2004 IIRC.

Peel is 28 and Phillips 27 and wales have given caps to both Tom James and Leigh Halfpenny on the wings, if your talking about Shane Williams and Sam Warberton and Tom Lydiate if you are talking about Martyn Williams all of these players are very young and very promising. In fact the welsh team is significantly younger with more promising young players around the squad in comparison to England.

anagallis_arvensis

You guys got a stand off we can have? - pleeeeeeeeeeeze. Wales normally have some spare ones they don't need.

Its the one place that scotland look really short of players.

Our front row will mash all comers. Some true world class players who are also useful around the field not just in the set pieces. Some very skillfull and quick forwards in the rest of the pack as well.

Some good backs and a reliable kicker - the best in the world ATM.

A choice of world class scrum halves. We just need a stand off to be a decent team again.

I'm sure they are great players mate but Warberton ahs played part of 2 games and has Lydiate played any at all for wales? Which is my point. I'm not suggesting that Wales have no youth players but that they're maybe not getting game time early enough.
Put the Brandy down TJ. Its not clever and its not hard.

at 10 wales like many positions really are weak outside the first choice.
I suppose you could have Nicky Robinson, good season with Cardiff last year and doing well for Glos at the moment. GatWards seem to have decided Wales dont need him even if it means playing Dan Biggar if Jones gets crocked. Hook hasnt played 10 this season I dont think.

backhanders step away from the glasshouse.

Shaw
Vickery
Grewcock
Borthwick
That hooker Thomas is it
Wilkinson
Tindall
Cueto
Moody
Ben Kay
Julian White
Lea Mears
Chuter

Steffon Armitage
Tom Croft
Dylan Hartley
James Haskell
Courtney Lawes
Delon Armitage
Matt Banahan
Danny Care
Toby Flood
Ben Foden
Mathew Tait
All 25 or under (I think)

Jenkins
Rees
Jones
AW Jones
AN Other
Ryan Jones
Williams
Powell
Peel
S Jones
S Williams
Hook
Roberts
1/2p
Byrne

Vickery - out
Grewcock - out
Tindall - out
Kay - out
Chuter - out

as of today's Elite Squad

at 10 wales like many positions really are weak outside the first choice.
I suppose you could have Nicky Robinson, good season with Cardiff last year and doing well for Glos at the moment. GatWards seem to have decided Wales dont need him even if it means playing Dan Biggar if Jones gets crocked. Hook hasnt played 10 this season I dont think.

If by weak you mean that they've got 4 first class players, albeit one that's not currently playing at 10, and one 'confidence' player, then I love being weak.

vickery and Tindall are only out as they are injured.

I'm hoping for a No8 injury so that dan ward-smith gets a call up. It's about bloody time.

Steffon Armitage
Tom Croft
Dylan Hartley
James Haskell
Courtney Lawes
Delon Armitage
Matt Banahan
Danny Care
Toby Flood
Ben Foden
Mathew Tait

1 Shit
2. Good, very good not often picked.
3. Brainless gouging kiwi ****
4. As 3 less the kiwi gouger bit
5. Has he played for england
6 you dont rate him (i thinks he's very good)
7. Crap
8. Not as good as he thinks he is
9. Never played that well for england
10. Hardly ever picked
11. Hardley ever picked

WTF? relevance??
I'm looking at the age of these blokes.
BTW you're wrong on at least 6 counts.
For brainless see Andy Powell.

to compare:

Alun-Wyn Jones, test lion and half the age of englands second rows lots of experience and still very young. Adam Jones and Gethin Jenkins vastly experienced test Lions and both still half the age of englands Vickery and White brigade and are in there prime now after being figures of fun previously. Hook and Roberts both Lions and both well under 25. 1/2penny.... need I say more he looks about 12. Tom James has played a good few games for Wales, Biggar has caps and has only just turned 20.

For brainless see Andy Powell.

He's not known as Mongo for nothing.
Mongo run mongo smash, mongo like smash. Gatland like Mongo, Mongo like Gatland

Jenkins and Jones 28 and 29. Sheridan and Thompson 30 and 31, vicks 33 (he is old). Hardly half the age eh? Vicks and Thompson are world champions. Vicks, Thompson, White and Sheridan are vastly experienced lions.
James has played 8 games in 2 years. Hook is 24 (well under?)

Jones (28) and Jenkins (29) both coming back from injury too so hardly in their prime

Sheidan - vastly experience lion? Balderdash. How many caps has he got? How many yellow cards has he given away? Is he the the most overrated player on the planet?

Vickery is vastly experienced in having his head shoved up his arse in south africa this summer

James has played 8 games in 2 years

and how many 22 year old england wings are there with 8 caps especially ones who only started playing rugby seriously in 2005/6 after being an athlete?

Matt Tait had more than that at 22 years old, having already played in a RWC final by then...

Scotlans have got a couple of 10s hidden away. Young Blair (David, not Alex) and i predict a couple more coming through. Look out for Alex Gillies in a couple of years time. Problem with D. Blair is he is still small, talented but small, and he would need lots of protection.

yeah Matt Tait is a great example of how to introduce young players to international rugby. I'd been trying to avoid mentioning Hensons handbag.

Ah, Henson - what a shining example of professionalism...

and yes he was too young then, but it took several years to get back in the squad after that, which he has now done and he has 31 caps so far and is 24

Ah, Henson - what a shining example of professionalism...

What has he done wrong now?

Since he walked out on rugby he has been living on beer and pizza and is now a claimed weight of 11 1/2 st down 3st from his playing weight

kevonakona

aye there are a few youngsters but not ready yet.

We seem to have a choice of:-

Desparate Dan - having a great season for Glasgow and playing well but never quite looked the part as an international.
Patterson - not experienced enough at 10
Godman - Mr Inconsistant.

Its the real weak spot. I might be tempted to go with Parks and do what Glasgow do - put him to fullback in defense

well seeing as how he's not playing rugby anymore and is not being paid he can do what the **** he likes..... beer, fags and pizza diet.... he will make a fortune.

Now I dont mind piss taking and banter but really an england fan accusing wales of not picking youngster please and then in the light of the england player banned for failling a test due to coke with an entire team refusing to take tests, I am expected to take comments on professionalism. Just stick to the players being shit and things like that.

TJ who is the consistent kicker you were on about earlier?

Christ the rugby expert, I expect the consistent kicker is Patterson who has a 90% success rate over the last few saesons and statistically has missed fewer kicks than anyone (although he doesnt do long range so I'll still have Dan Carter please)

Good to see New Zealand League players in white, isn't it?

😉

Good to see New Zealand League players in white, isn't it?

again and again

kevonakona - Member
Scotlans have got a couple of 10s hidden away. Young Blair (David, not Alex) and i predict a couple more coming through. Look out for Alex Gillies in a couple of years time. Problem with D. Blair is he is still small, talented but small, and he would need lots of protection.

And the guy who played 10 against Cardiff on Saturday looked pretty handy - although I was being put to sleep by an awful, turgid match so may have dreamt it.

Patterson as aa says. Far and away the most consistant kicker in teh worl the last couple of years

Its only partly true about him not having the range. There are several kickers in the Scotland team - some of whom have a bigger range so they take the longest kicks but Patterson goes up to 45 m usually.

Dunno if he will get a place tho

TJ, for range, just look at 1/2p.

How he gets such power out of his little frame is beyond me!

that big lump Lamont is playing pretty well at 13 for LLAnlli at the moment too and so to is Nicki Walker for the Ospreys

But Patterson inst the best at any position and struggling to get a game - it was an innocent question! He has good kicking stats agreed but he is not 1st choice at the moment anywhere

TimP - Member
Since he walked out on rugby he has been living on beer and pizza and is now a claimed weight of 11 1/2 st down 3st from his playing weight

Which is a load of crap as anybody who has seen him around town would know.....

joking aside about Gavin he was always a player who seemed to keep himself in very good shape. I wonder about him though and all the bulk he put on when he lost his ability to kick through injury, the only way you could loose weight that fast is if it was put on in a shady manner.

Must not get involved, must not get involved.

Agreed CFH - I think he might be the longest I have seen - outrageous.

pigface, go on its all harmless pub talk.

now this was a kick, none of those light balls and kicking tees either, bosh!!!!!

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[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jan/12/gavin-henson-ospreys ]Guardian article[/url]

this suggests it is pretty easy to put on 3st in muscle, but it does seem an awful lot. Such is the way today though, although Paterson is supposed to be about 11 1/2st

and I would take issue with the comment of professionalism, as Lipman was also playing for England so I would count out 2 Eng players in that farce. I would be dispointed if he ever puts on the Eng shirt again.

I would also agree with the Rolling Maul email saying that the 2 previous Kiwi RL players have hardly added to the game. If I saw Wales picking a similar I would not complain, but line them up all afternoon. Sadly MJ will pick who he picks and as an Eng fan I will choose to support his decision (or not) once the result is in 😉

so what teams would people like to see their teams play, for wales I would like; Byrne, 1/2p, Roberts, Hook, Williams,S Jones, Peel, R Jones, Williams, Thomas, Ian Evans, AW Jones, A Jones, Rees, Jenkins. I expect Cement head and Smiler to pick Roberts and Shanklin (or Davis if shanks is out) in the centres thus giving us no attacking threat, Cooper at 9, Powell at 6 (he's a useful 8 but shite 6) and Charteris at 4.

Got to get past Ospreys v leicester before i start thinking about 6 nations. Duw duw mun I can't multitask 🙂

its clemont this w/e isnt it? Could be a good game or will the Ospreys implode as usual. I tell you even if they manage a loosing BP this w/e the leicester game will be an absolute cracker. Shame Gavins not around to beat up their roughfty tuffty props. Tuquri certainly looks like a good buy for them.

Scotland

Murray
Ford
Dickinson

Hines
Kellock

Barclay
Strokosch
Beattie

Cussiter
Godman

Grove.
Evans
Evans
Lamont

Patterson

Not really sure. There are a few positions were is pretty much a toss up but I am going for pace and flair

Tight five should hold their own in the set piece and be very mobile around the park/;. Fastest front row on the planet?

Back Row - a lot of debate about who is best / what is the best combo.

I can't find a place for White except on the bench to cover all the back 5 positions. I'd like to find a place for him.

Stand off - I dunno - is Godman the best of a bad bunch?

3/4s - picked on pace and flair - lets score some tries FFS!

Unfortunately I think Robinson will go for a more power based game so we will lose some of the speed and flair

like you say thats a strong pack. White is broken isnt he?

Vickery is vastly experienced in having his head shoved up his arse in south africa this summer

avoid mentioning Hensons handbag

A young inexperienced player got tackled by an older more experienced player. Hardly news was it.

Yes, it was huge news actually.

Except in the 3rd test (the only one we won) he didn't. Quite the reverse in fact.

You mean the one after the series was lost and SA made numerous changes to the team

backhander - Member

Vickery is vastly experienced in having his head shoved up his arse in south africa this summer

Except in the 3rd test (the only one we won) he didn't. Quite the reverse in fact.

I think you can safely blame the ref for Vickery's lack of scrummaging ability in the first test. How a player can be penalised for standing up when his feet have been lifted off the ground is beyond me.

Pigface - Member
Got to get past Ospreys v leicester before i start thinking about 6 nations. Duw duw mun I can't multitask

I'm in a quandary there, Pigface....! Half English (Leicestershire, I still have a life membership at Welford and Grace!) and Half Welsh (Swansea).

As Max would say, Duw it's hard...!

However, the Welsh side of the family was the real rugby playing side, so I count myself a Welshman for internationals. So, I suppose I'll be supporting the Os for that one!

I think you can safely blame the ref for Vickery's lack of scrummaging ability in the first test.

The commentators are starting to make a fuss about the ball being put in straight. Obviously with the massively crooked feeds the front row don;t need to strike and can push instead. If refs made sure the ball was straight then the scrum would be a proper contest again. I wonder whether it will be reffed in the 6N?

How about progressive binding? The two front rows bind, then the locks join, then the back rows join then the feed and the push. No pushing till the ball goes in the middle