Don’t mention 6th formers this early, you’ll wake Binners up!
The press reporting seems to be from another planet:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50695198
A heavy pro Boris lean is my interpretation. I hope their sales keep shrinking.
That may be the only thing that saves us from the selfish and bitter over 45s creating such a horrible country.
lolz
So in the super Brexity area where I live my mum works in a carpet shop and a customer came in this morning and said the cash machine isn't working because the Polish are drawing too much money out.
That is what connects Boris to the electorate. That stupid, illogical, racist mindset.
Problem is youth don't vote in anywhere near the numbers older voters do
I'm guessing that's why we are going to be stuck with another 5 years of austerity & a decade more of these poisonous negotiations
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1203066744119709696?s=09
I reckon enough postal votes are in that they know the red wall seats are loat
lolz
Glad you find it funny. The first time voters I know are mad as hell about where the older generations are forcing them to go. Denying them all the chances, rights and opportunities we had at their age, but now no longer need for ourselves.
Glad you find it funny. The first time voters I know are mad as hell about where the older generations are forcing them to go. Denying them all the chances, rights and opportunities we had at their age, but now no longer need for ourselves.
kelvin, there's too many frankly derogatory assumptions made on here and wish it would stop. I watched the debate last night and, as a most certainly over 45 year old, saw right through Johnson and his "get it done" mantra. Am not convinced that everyone over 45 years old will be voting Tory, I've said on here before that I last voted for them some 20 years ago. People can see how extreme they've become, you've even got an ex PM telling the public not to vote for them.
Am not convinced that everyone over 45 years old will be voting Tory
If course not “everyone” is. But if you think there isn’t a generational divide when it comes to who voters are supporting, and what they want to happen as regards Brexit, you can go ahead and point us to any study, survey or polling that suggests otherwise.
Wonderfully written piece that sums up the awfulness of it all.
If you disagree you can go ahead and point me to any general election result in the past 9 years that suggests otherwise.
If you can point me in the direction of a study that shows all English people are the same, then go ahead.
The English are selfish bastards who would rather vote to keep another 1p in their wallets and purses than pay extra to fund public services.
If you disagree you can go ahead and point me to any general election result in the past 9 years that suggests otherwise.
The majority of votes did not go to the tories. Unfortunately thanks to FPTP, the majority of seats did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results
If you can point me in the direction of a study that shows all English people are the same, then go ahead.
Sure. Just after you've pointed me in the direction of a study that shows all over 45 year olds are the same.
Some really nice people donate to the tories eh?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50686045
A co-founder of Hargeaves Lansdown, one of the UK's largest financial services companies, Peter Hargreaves is estimated to be worth £3.3bn. He was a major supporter of the Leave.EU campaign during the EU referendum, donating £3.2m. He predicted the Brexit vote would be "the biggest stimulus to get our butts in gear that we have ever had….It will be like Dunkirk again."
FFS. I'm going to need to move my Stocks and Shares ISA now.
The English are
selfishbastardswho would rather vote to keep another 1p in their wallets and purses than pay extra to fund public services.
Aye, had my suspicions for a while now...
binners
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An interesting read from the GuardianThe Tories May think they’ve won – the stats tell a different story
Hopefully those 3.5 million young voters who’ve registered can overturn the wishes of the reactionary racist old Brexiteer giffers
See if you watch any of the debates, it's been very noticeable that the cheersleaders on either side have been very low, ie the ones that will clap anything that comes out of their favourites mouth. Been thinking for a while that that probably means there's an awful lot of floating voters out there too.
Thanks for that crazy-legs. Especially
Boris Johnson, who looks like something you’d keep your pyjamas in, and who no reasonable person would choose to lead them into a chorus, has a strangely hunched demeanour; perhaps from all the time he spends crammed inside married women’s wardrobes, like a randy jack-in-the-box.
BOINK!
This confused sex yeti...
ARGYARGHWHAT?
...has been booed by nurses: people who can remove a dressing, examine a festering wound, and still look up at you with a smile.
Bravo
With a delivery best approximated as a living checklist of stroke warnings, his bumbling posho shtick almost resembles buffering, a kind of 3G Wodehouse. He doesn’t even seem to enjoy it; throughout the campaign he’s sported a face that looks as if it’s been kneaded by a baker going through a particularly bitter divorce, and the irony that comes into his eyes every time he crowbars in a catchphrase means that he breaks the fourth wall more than Deadpool. We thought the office of prime minister was what he lived for, his consuming ambition. It’s all been a bit like hearing Tony The Tiger talk about his diabetes.
Back of the net. All well and good, but let’s be honest this just makes the naughty cuddly Bumps and Trorises of the world even more popular with the man in the street. Teflon. Any publicity is good publicity. Populism works like that. Acerbic and clever comedians either missed that memo or are simply cashing in on the wave like every other cynical grifter,
I wish I had 10% of the dignity shown by David Merritt.
I just cannot begin to comprehend how anyone could vote in such a way that supports Boris.
….It will be like Dunkirk again.
One of the most humiliating defeats in British history? Sounds roughly correct.
Am not convinced that everyone over 45 years old will be voting Tory,
Of course they won't but around 45 is the tipping point where more than 50% are Tory. Once past that age it just gets worse and worse.
As I said, a lot of that is selfishness (they have done alright by then so bring up drawbridge, cut public services as they don't need them - although they are in for a surprise when they are 80)
Kerley, what's your problem with over 45's?
To quote you.....'As I said, a lot of that is selfishness (they have done alright by then so bring up drawbridge, cut public services as they don’t need them – although they are in for a surprise when they are 80)'.
There is no evidence to support that ill-informed assertion.
Why are you so bitter?
kerley
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Of course they won’t but around 45 is the tipping point where more than 50% are Tory. Once past that age it just gets worse and worse.
You realise the graphic you posted disagrees? At 40-49, more people vote Labour.50-59 is where the tipping point is. And getting older, interestingly.
One of the most humiliating defeats in British history? Sounds roughly correct.
Might want to re-read your history.....
Even Churchill described it as a disaster. 60,000 killed or wounded, complete German supremacy, thousands of French troops slaughtered to buy us time, all the BEF heavy equipment abandoned..
Only a tactical cockup by the Germans allowed our evacuation.
kerley - do you know who owns YouGov? There is a Tory connection!
45 years old here and absolutely no chance of voting Conservative. If anything, I’m more vehemently anti-Tory than ever. I’m also happy to pay more tax for better services too.
You realise the graphic you posted disagrees? At 40-49, more people vote Labour.50-59 is where the tipping point is. And getting older, interestingly.
Well, I tend to disagree with this. Somewhere between 40 and 60 must be a point where we are at 50/50. The relative closeness of the scores in the 40-49 cohort and the wider gap in the 50-59s suggests to me that this tipping point happens somewhere in the mid to late 40s. I suspect that more detailed data is out there somewhere.
It's not an generic insult to all over 45s anyway, as even at 50/50 half of them are still supporting Labour, it is just that more of them are 'tending' to support the Tories than younger people. For whatever reason.
45 years old here and absolutely no chance of voting Conservative. If anything, I’m more vehemently anti-Tory than ever.
I share this position, I'm 49 and are more vehemently anti-Tory than ever, and I can't see that trend reversing into my 60s and beyond (unless I go senile, obviously) - I wonder whether, after the experience of the past few years, the trend of older=more Tory will reverse and you'll get a substantial and persistent Labour vote emerging.
A wee theory I've built- its Johnson's team that are doing the recent leaks, via Corbyn.
The latest this week was NI, and the border, which we all knew was the way it was going to go. This report, like the others before it, was suppressed.
So why is it out there now?
Simple- BJ doesn't need the DUP any more.
See if this makes sense to you- he's needed them up to now for supply and comfort, and its cost him politically (and financially). Clearly, he's rather dispense with them- but can only do so if the parliamentary arithmetic works out.
Up until very recently, this wasn't certain. But now that TBP are on the retreat, and its high-profile members (Annunziata Rees-Mogg and others) are advising members to vote for the Cons as an avenue to hard Brexit*, the DUP can be sidelined.
So why release the report? Simple. To convince the faithful that he's serious about delivering a hard Brexit- they all know, deep down, that NI is the obvious cost of HB, and by getting this report out there he shows that he's up for doing it.
Corbyn, sadly, has to run with this and make any capital that he can.
*TBP is now revealed for what its always been- a pressure group designed to whip the Cons into line.
Further evidence- when Gavin Williamson spilled the Huawei report this year, May instantly flushed him out via an internal inquiry. No such inquiries have been forthcoming on any of the recent 'leaks'.
For whatever reason.
Fear, the tories are masters at creating, selling and capitalising on fear.
Labour sell hope.
It's after 40 that all the hopes you had when you were young are squeezed out of you by experiance, and fear starts to take a more prominent role in your psych. At least for most people IMO.
It’s not an generic insult to all over 45s anyway
Of course it isn’t. And you also get plenty of youngsters (some privileged, some just right wing) who voted for Brexit and will vote Tory. But, when it comes down to it… it is mostly the older generations that voted to close Europe off to young workers and will vote Tory despite the further effect it will have on the education system and other services that so many young people could benefit from.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203347824789856256?s=09
Come on!
I don't trust any of the polls but I need the hope!
Cock up and humiliating defeat are not the same thing. The battle for Western France was a defeat and a cockup. The battle for Dunkirk was anything but. They were successful in fighting to the sea, in maintaining a beachhead against incredible odds,the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" held off 5 divisions with a battalion to allow 370,000 troops to escape. The ordinary people who took their pleasure craft into a war zone to exfiltrate those troops with no thought for themselves. No one involvwd in that shoukd feel either humiliated or defeated. A little bit more of that attitude and maybe brexit wouldn't be a thing. Nor would the Tories.
I don’t trust any of the polls but I need the hope!
I think quite a few of us will take any hope we can get, me included.
Another 40 something that’s never been more anti Tory than I am now.
If anything, it’s fear of what the Conservatives will continue do to the poor/vulnerable that have driven that.
Dr Bob Gill's latest film "The Great NHS Heist" and worth a watch.
Can I just say 65+ and as above? I know a lot like me too.
I'm in my 40's too and am more anti-Tory than at any stage in my life
I'll be voting tactically to try and get rid of the Tories from my seat (~1800 majority currently)
I can't ever foresee a situation where I would consider voting Tory, I cannot forgive them for what they've done to this country
I'm in Fife where the SNP beat the LibDems by just 2 votes in 2017. I'll likelyu vote SNP this time rather than LibDems as I think there's less risk of them getting into bed with the Cons. Plus the LibDems revoke Brexit policy seems immature & their dodgy campaign leaflet figures made them look like they were joining the current fashion for lies. Plus Sturgeon seems like an adult politician compared with the rest. I'd consider Labour if they weren't a distant 3rd here, but FPTP makes voting for them pointless.
I just wish the SNP would tone down the IndyRef2 talk a bit & not be so pushy about getting it in 2020; I voted no in IndyRef1 but would probabl vote Yes in IndyRef2 - but only if the UK had already Brexit'ed. I guess it'd be a bit politically muddy for SNP to campaign this election like that though. Ho-hum, interesting but worrying times.
I'm 60, never voted Tory in my life and definitely not going to start now. They disgust me, and I just cannot understand why anyone would vote for them. I'll be voting tactically in the hope of keeping them out in my constituency.
kerley – do you know who owns YouGov? There is a Tory connection!
For a polling company, letting political bias skew their results is commercial suicide. It's just bad business. So they don't.
The English are selfish bastards who would rather vote to keep another 1p in their wallets and purses than pay extra to fund public services.
Scots are no different. The SNP went nowhere while they had their 'Penny for Scotland' policy. As soon as they dropped it their vote picked up dramatically.
Plus Scotland's had tax raising powers for yonks now and they *still* haven't put income tax up to be significantly more than the rest of uk.
The Lib dems have a 1p increase in income tax policy this time (I've voted for it) and their leader is highly likely to lose her Scottish Seat.
So it's not an exclusively English/Welsh/Irish problem by any means.
Stereotypically I should vote Tory. I'm probably one of the top 1% richest people in the this country, let alone the world.
But I work for charities, pet cats, play guitar and ride bikes and vote for who I think will help poor folk best, not me - I'm pretty much insulated from anything a government does.
For a polling company, letting political bias skew their results is commercial suicide. It’s just bad business. So they don’t.
+1.
And as with all crazy conspiracy theories you have to explain how it's been kept secret. Yougov must employ dozens of professional actuarial types. How you going to keep all of them quiet when they swap jobs and go to a competitor?
Stereotypically I should vote Tory. I’m probably one of the top 1% richest people in the this country, let alone the world.
Yep, and mine is all down to luck (genetics, finding high paid jobs that suit my ability) but we are clearly not selfish and would like life to be better for the less fortunate.
A lot of people don't.
A wee theory I’ve built- its Johnson’s team that are doing the recent leaks, via Corbyn.
Nah, it is the Russkies again.
This destabilization of other countries and blocs is the stock in trade of the likes of Vladislav Surkov. Keep everyone guessing, chasing their own tails until no one knows what is true and what isn’t. That way Putin et al get to play the ‘it is a dangerous world out there, fellow citizens, but you are uniquely lucky to have steady hands like us to look after you’ card.
They will often do things that seem counter to their own interests, but you have to remember it is the uncertainty they cause outside of Russia that is their true aim.