VOTE LABOUR
So I genuinely have a dilemma.
If leave / remain is genuinely the biggest issue for you:
Don't look at the country, look at your own constituency. See who's the biggest threat to the Tories locally, hold your nose and vote for them whoever it is.
As I've said before, for me it's an easy choice. I'm in a Labour seat which for years has consistently held a majority over the Tories by just a couple of hundred votes. Everyone else is a long way behind. Doing anything other than voting Labour, including not voting at all, is effectively a vote for the Tory party for me.
Corbyn &Co.
Bollox. Anyone using this as an excuse to not vote labour is an idiot, especially when the alternative is a lying scumbag and his merry band of bigots and liars (the latest of which is someone who thinks disabled people should be paid less because they're a bit simple). Fair enough if you want to live in a country where you have to pay privately for everything, and you can afford that, but if not, there is only one choice.
On brexit, again there is only one rational choice if you're a remainer. If you want to stop brexit, there is only one way to do it, and only one party offering it.
If you want to be a self-interested **** driven by base reactionary instincts however, then again there is an obvious choice.
Bollox. Anyone using this as an excuse to not vote labour
Time and again I see posts from people who seem to be just looking for excuses (not just here but generally). Iraq war, tuition fees, Corbyn, etc etc.
You might think Corbyn is literally Beelzebub incarnate but this is a general election with stakes that could impact the lives your grandchildren's kids, not a popularity contest.
On brexit, again there is only one rational choice if you’re a remainer.
Yes. Vote tactically against the Tories.
If you want to stop brexit, there is only one way to do it, and only one party offering it.
Correct, but those two statements may not carry the same answer.
You might think Corbyn is literally Beelzebub incarnate
Good point well made.
but this is a general election with stakes that could impact the lives your grandchildren’s kids, not a popularity contest.
Absolutely. Vote for anyone but Beelzebub incarnate.
Yes. Vote tactically against the Tories.
Yes, absolutely, I was specifically referring to the case of solarider there.
Anyone using this as an excuse to not vote labour is an idiot,
Bit rich coming from someone who has consistently railed against brexiteers being labelled stupid 😉
I think two things get conflated with the dislike of Corbyn
1) A perception that he isn't a 'good' leader
2) A perception that his policies are too hard left - which may be rational from the more centrist blairite labour voter.
Neither things are necessarily idioit to belive.. whether they are correct or not is another question.
If you want to stop brexit, there is only one way to do it, and only one party offering it.
LibDem are the only big party offering it. But I don't think that's what you meant.
I'm in a tory held constituency which was leave at the referendum.
Have received one campaign leaflet - from the tories; wasted on me as I won't be voting for their candidate.
No doorstepping by any candidates; I'm wfh for a while so unlikely I've missed any campaigners.
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
If there was ever an election where parties should be out there campaigning and drumming up support, it's this one.
Good point well made.
Devil incarnate indeed....
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
Smugness on the part of the Tory party
Fear on the Labour front
Have received one campaign leaflet – from the tories; wasted on me as I won’t be voting for their candidate.
No doorstepping by any candidates; I’m wfh for a while so unlikely I’ve missed any campaigners.
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
If there was ever an election where parties should be out there campaigning and drumming up support, it’s this one.
Campaigners are volunteers. If you think there's not enough political volunteer action going on in your area, pick a party and volunteer for them.
If you can't be arsed, why should anyone else bother?
If you want to be a self-interested ****
Which party are you saying is the one to vote for in my own best interests and which are the ones that aren't in my self-interest?
You’re a strong remainer and are still conflicted on who to vote for in a Tory/labour seat???
Because…
Corbyn &Co.
And their Brexit.
You’ll get it eventually Daz.
If you are a strong remainer task no.1 is to reduce the number of Tory seats as much as possible. That means voting for the party with the best chance of defeating them in your constituency. Traditional party allegiances are irrelevant in this election. There will come a time for that later.
I’m in a tory held constituency which was leave at the referendum.
Have received one campaign leaflet – from the tories; wasted on me as I won’t be voting for their candidate.
No doorstepping by any candidates; I’m wfh for a while so unlikely I’ve missed any campaigners.
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
If there was ever an election where parties should be out there campaigning and drumming up support, it’s this one.
Is it a safe Tory seat?
If so many activists will spend the time in nearby constituencies that are more likely to switch. It's all about maximizing impact with the time they have.
oob, I know campaigners are volunteers but thanks anyway.
If any party wants my vote they should make an effort to earn it; are they campaigning on national issues? What impact will their candidate's party policies have in my constituency?
I can't be arsed, according to you; htf would you know?
Just thought why doesn't the BBC change the host for tonight's debate to Andrew Neil at the last minute and invite Corbyn to pull a sickie?
I'd Corbyn there, I'd just brief Neil not to ask him any questions until Johnson has squirmed for 30 minutes exactly.
Bit rich coming from someone who has consistently railed against brexiteers being labelled stupid
See my earlier reply to dannyh on this.
Good thread here
I do think Corbyn has been crap but Tories ability to monster Labour leaders via the rw press cannot be underestimated
Corbyn has more baggage to pin on him than most though
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1202982273483718656?s=19
I can't see anything other than a Tory majority now, even if the labour youth vote holding up its not going to be in the right place (too metroplitain)
Just as a point of interest, scrolling through this one page of this thread I have been served 11 identical ads for the local independent hard Brexit gammon candidate. Everywhere I go online I see his odious face. I wonder who’s paying for that?
British diplomat resigns over having to 'peddle half-truths' on Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50693537
That is the truth about where the Conbrexit parties have put us
Good point well made.
Devil incarnate indeed….
Maybe not. Monbiot, on the other hand, is a supremely annoying, virtue-signalling hypocrite, so I'm not certain that his endorsement is worth anything.
JP
Monbiot, on the other hand, is a supremely annoying, virtue-signalling hypocrite, so I’m not certain that his endorsement is worth anything.
In your opinion, which you are entitled to. What is a fact is that when he writes and article, he nearly always puts a fully reference version on his website. That makes his journalism far more transparent and verifiable than all the rest. I'm sure I've heard of a journo who just made stuff up and reported it as fact, the exact opposite of Monbiot, the name just won't come. I'm sure I've heard it a lot recently
Monbiot has written some great stuff.
I don't agree with everything he says but he's one of the decent journalists/authors with a moral compass.
I think, but i can't be sure, that his name may have been slang for a male appendage?
Morris… something?
Bojo seems on his best behaviour in that picture, I have no doubts that every instinct he has is compelling him to burn money in the homeless mans face while shouting LOSER!!!! Just like in his bullingdon days.
The local candidates attended a debate at Jnrs 6rh Form college today, then a "vote" was held, something like 600 kids took part
Labour - 44%
Green - 35%
Tory - no idea, apparently an idiot
LibDem - no idea, also came across badly
Independent Change party - 0.5% quite a nationally known idiot
Sounds like it got a bit feisty, the right wing people started having a go at the kids questioning them, the Tory caved in when a 17 year old asked him why Universal Credit had destroyed her family.
As for "not voting for Corbyn", I don't like strawberry creams, but I still prefer Cadbury Roses
Strong words from Pie. Even for Pie. I feel pretty much identically the same way with another 30 mins tacked on about Blair, Cameron, Clegg and Farage, tabloids, antisocial media and How The **** We Got Here Now While Watching It Happen
Jezza did will there (sticks in the craw a bit)
Bozza got the soundbytes out though, and that's what will get parroted the media and the ****osphere
Five more years of sliding further in to the mire
Get Brexit done solves everything. Everything. Tampons etc.
Corbyn covered a wide range of topics whilst Johnson simply kept coming back to his "let's get Brexit done" mantra irrespective of the topic under discussion.
There you go, twice in two posts
“Monbiot has written some great stuff. I don’t agree with everything he says but he’s one of the decent journalists/authors with a moral compass.“
When “moral compass” includes reportedly retweeting entirely false child sex abuse allegations about someone and then naming them on Twitter.
Johnathan Pie sums it up perfectly
When “moral compass” includes reportedly retweeting entirely false child sex abuse allegations about someone and then naming them on Twitter.
Yep. He admits that was stupid.
An interesting read from the Guardian
The Tories May think they’ve won - the stats tell a different story
Hopefully those 3.5 million young voters who’ve registered can overturn the wishes of the reactionary racist old Brexiteer giffers
Jezza did will there (sticks in the craw a bit)
I really noticed he stuck to his ethos of not taking personal cheapshots. Shame because BoJo left a few open goals for him and he didn't go for them. Might have been more effective if he had.
I really noticed he stuck to his ethos of not taking personal cheapshots.
It’s okay. If you watched Have I Got News For You straight afterwards, they threw all the cheapshots you could want at the Johnsons.
People know what Johnson is… there is no point Corbyn wasting time reminding people of that in a debate format (I didn’t see this one), he’s better of using the time to reassure viewers about how he would act if he was PM himself.
People know what Johnson is… there is no point Corbyn wasting time
They know who he is and they still plan on voting for him.
I suppose I'm so used to the usual mud slinging that the absence of it really struck. Johnson would leave an opening like talking about how he would support business - Corbyn could have quoted Johnson's f**" business back at him - didn't. There were a bunch like that.
People know what Johnson is… there is no point Corbyn wasting time reminding people of that
Your conclusion is correct, but your premise isn't.
Some people know what Johnson is, some think "eh, lovable rogue, my kind of guy, he really speaks to me" whilst queuing up at the food bank.
Hopefully those 3.5 million young voters who’ve registered can overturn the wishes of the reactionary racist old Brexiteer giffers
You, relying on the vote of 6th formers.
But yes, everyone under 30 should be forced to vote. That may be the only thing that saves us from the selfish and bitter over 45s creating such a horrible country.