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I think the conclusion there is simply that Mike needs to read the memos a bit more carefully
Mefty - have they now removed the ability to claim for small items without a receipt?
Its still a disgusting fiddle and the amounts some MPs claim are clearly inflated. same as a number are fiddling the "rental only" bit
Did anyone hear the bloke that earns 80k+ get angry about being labelled a member of the top 5% of earners to the point that he actually accused Labour of lying last night in BBCQT? Blatantly got wealth conflated with earnings it seems, and reminded me of a TJ vs the world thread on here a few years ago.
Sad thing was, he got applause for accusing Labour of being liars, and there will be a lot of people who will just remember that. It’s how fake news is born...
He’s an IT consultant apparently.
What he actually said that earning over 80 grand a year put him “nowhere near even being in the top 50% of earners”
He got cheered because, obviously, Everyone earns over 80 grand in Bolton 🙄
It is a hell of a trick, though, isn’t it?
I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer....TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WITH MORE MONEY THAN THEY COULD EVER SPEND.
And he is a philandering, lying, turd who would do or say anything so long as it furthers his ambition or gets his leg over.
Why doesn’t Corbyn just go for the ****ing jugular? Why doesn’t he shout De Pfeffel down about the suppressed Russian interference report? Why doesn’t he bring up the Arcuri thing over and over again?
You have to play dirty.
Did anyone hear the bloke that earns 80k+ get angry about being labelled a member of the top 5% of earners to the point that he actually accused Labour of lying last night in BBCQT?
Seen it on the BBC website earlier. What kind of roaster thinks £80k a year is less than what half the UK population makes?
He'll be fainting once he finds out that'll put him well into the top 1% earners of the world and therefore he is part of the problem. Prick.
I will never vote labour. They won't even admit to a problem with anti semitism, let alone deal with it. That issue seems to have been lost in all this.
It is a hell of a trick, though, isn’t it?
I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer….TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WITH MORE MONEY THAN THEY COULD EVER SPEND.
And he is a philandering, lying, turd who would do or say anything so long as it furthers his ambition or gets his leg over.
Why doesn’t Corbyn just go for the **** jugular? Why doesn’t he shout De Pfeffel down about the suppressed Russian interference report? Why doesn’t he bring up the Arcuri thing over and over again?
You have to play dirty.
Isn’t part of the problem that we don’t tax based on regional living costs? 80k in Bolton is a pretty much a **** tonne of money - 80k in London is still middle class but that can all quite easily disappear even if you are living in a shit box flat. So taxation creates a huge North/South divide in terms of what is and isn’t culturally acceptable.
Maybe the answer is more devolution and more regional taxation and spending power?
You have to play dirty.
Kinder, gentler politics. Innit.
Isn’t part of the problem that we don’t tax based on regional living costs?
I'm confused. Do you want to tax more or less the higher the living costs of the region?
Grandads getting a right grilling on QT.
Nice to get an update on the situation in Bolivia though
I’m confused. Do you want to tax more or less the higher the living costs of the region?
communities should be able to decide what level of spending and taxation is acceptable to them. It seems to me that some areas could tax and spend more if it weren’t for high cost living areas voting against it. That turns people against each other, I do not see the issue of taxing people based on their purchasing power.
It should be about what is right for the local conditions, if people in one area can afford to pay more tax then they can choose to do so?
Still confused.
I do not see the issue of taxing people based on their purchasing power.
Like having the purchasing power to live in a high cost of living area?
I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer….
De Pfeffel? Is that the Flemish princess standing in Middlesbrough for Labour?
No, hang on, that’s Lauren De Thibault De Boesinghe.
Grandads getting a right grilling on QT.
I thought he was actually very good, although I didnt see it all.
Nice to get an update on the situation in Bolivia though
It's the talk of every doorstep in Sunderland, didn't you know?
It wasn't Corbyn who brought up Bolivia
Rayban - even in london £80 000 is a lot of money and makes you rich. Again you show your complete lack of understanding of how those less fortunate than you live. Please be a little more aware.
What kind of roaster thinks £80k a year is less than what half the UK population makes?
Plenty on here think that riches like that do not mean you are rich. As one again shown on this thread and many others.
No TJ, your answer just shows up your own biases - I never said you weren't rich, I even stated you are still middle class on that income, you are not poor, however;
You would need around 4,635.34£ in London to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 2,700.00£ in Bolton (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation. b
So you'd need around £80k a year to have the same standard of living as someone on around £43k a year in Bolton. That dude in Bolton can objectively afford to pay a lot more tax than someone on £80k in London, what may seem fair to people from Bolton may not seem fair to people from London. If local government has more power to set certain levels of taxation and public spending, we wouldn't have such nasty polarization in this country and people would feel more connected to politics - it would be more local and more real.
You do realise that my taxation and devolution argument is much the same as the one you use to argue for an independent Scotland right?
Like having the purchasing power to live in a high cost of living area?
Or because they were born in Lodnon and had to earn that kind of money to have a family?
Having a high income doesn’t equal being rich.
Let’s say a couple owning two city centre flats and letting one out. Both earning slightly above average incomes. Say £25-30k ish.
And a single professional, renting in London and earning £80k
Who’s better off?
elefant^^^ - that's her husband's surname so your comment is disingenuous.
Why not focus on the (multi) millionaire champagne socialists - Corbyn and his closest acolytes.
Wealth is not the same as income. 80k is a fair whack though.
Wealth is not the same as income. 80k is a fair whack though.
You could be a billionaire in no time if you had a modest house.
modest house
Long, loose fitting curtains?
billionaire in no time
In geological terms, maybe...
BBC Question Time for the leaders ... crikey. 😬
Swinson is having a shocker
No Rayban - you still do not get it. £80 000 per year makes you rich
communities should be able to decide what level of spending and taxation is acceptable to them. It seems to me that some areas could tax and spend more if it weren’t for high cost living areas voting against it.
As for this - how to increase inequalities and set folk against each other
Jambo - the guy in london still has a lot more money - that makes him richer.
Jeepers how can you guys defend this? Peopole earning multiples of the national average wage are amoungst the richest few % of the country. Just because you have no experience of others that does not mean they do not exist. When you earn more than 95% of the country you are rich.
I like Sturgeon, we need to move the capital to Edinburgh.
No Rayban – you still do not get it. £80 000 per year makes you rich
18k a year makes you rich on a global scale as well - considering the global median annual household income is $9,733. This is the logical conclusion of your argument.
As for this – how to increase inequalities and set folk against each other
I'm not saying London shouldn't help support the rest of the country, there should be a baseline national tax agreed by everybody - and then there should be more leeway to adjust for local conditions.
Do you think we should repeal all of Scotlands devolved tax powers then? I didn't take you for a loyalist TJ!
Jambo – the guy in london still has a lot more money – that makes him richer.
Are you sure about that?
£80k gross, net ~£55k
2* 30k gross, net ~£48k, plus income from that rental property.
Do you feel rich?
Swinson is having a shocker
😄 she looks desperate but me think her answers are to target Labour voters.
Oh here we go ... PM BoJo ... 😬
When you earn more than 95% of the country you are rich.
Worked hard, got paid well. Good for them.
18k a year makes you rich on a global scale as well
Yes it does. Which also highlights the bizzare notion that earning 80K in the UK doesn't make you rich hilarious. Are you so pampered and soft that you can't see how good you would have it compared to everyone else?
Yes it does. Which also highlights the bizzare notion that earning 80K in the UK doesn’t make you rich hilarious. Are you so pampered and soft that you can’t see how good you would have it compared to everyone else?
But the idea that someone scraping by on circa 18k with a family, in a zero contract hours job, is somehow rich is patently absurd and I think TJ would agree. Living standards are all relative to local conditions and purchasing power.
If you wanted to massively tax people on 18k and transfer that wealth to the developing world, I'd be down with that though - as I'd love to see the confused nativist outrage.
I would be greatly entertained by all the people who think that wealth should only be transferred to themselves because they are white British and are entitled to it.
Yes, Swinson had a shocker.
Sturgeon performed well - as she usually does.
Corbyn performed reasonably.
Johnson, so far, poor; usual bluster and disinclination to address direct questions.
tjagain
Member
Rayban – even in london £80 000 is a lot of money and makes you rich. Again you show your complete lack of understanding of how those less fortunate than you live. Please be a little more aware.
What kind of roaster thinks £80k a year is less than what half the UK population makes?
Plenty on here think that riches like that do not mean you are rich. As one again shown on this thread and many others.
80k in London is not rich. You'd be lucky to be able to afford a mortgage on a one bedroom flat in a crappy part of the city on that money. I'm not even sure that 80k down here in the Westcountry is rich - most of my friends earn around that and I'd describe them as no more than well off. They're not driving around in Porsches or living in mansions.
You can carry on using your own definitions of words, like Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass:
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
...but don't expect anyone else to agree with you.
JP
**** me! Are you really that unaware? Even scraping by on circa 18k with a family in UK puts you ahead of most of the world in just about every metric. I'm on 52k a year in the UK and not a day goes by without me knowing just how good I have it compared to well over 99% of the worlds population. Saying that someone on 80k in London with access to clean drinking water, transport, entertainment, healthcare, housing, heating and electricity and everything else that comes with that isn't that well off because they can't afford to spend the same as someone on the top 0.001% is insane.
CaptainFlashheart
Member
Worked hard, got paid well. Good for them.
What about the people who work just as hard, but don't get paid well?
Or do only the well off work hard?
**** me! Are you really that unaware? Even scraping by on circa 18k with a family in UK puts you ahead of most of the world in just about every metric. I
Of course it does.
Try telling people on 18k they are rich and should pay more tax to send aid to the developing world - see how that works out for you.
Saying that someone on 80k in London with access to clean drinking water, transport, entertainment, healthcare, housing, heating and electricity and everything else that comes with that isn’t that well off because they can’t afford to spend the same as someone on the top 0.001% is insane.
Objectively though, that person in Bolton can afford to pay double the amount in terms of taxation yes? What is your ethical reason for not taxing that person more than someone who cannot pay as much in London?
JJP the west country is one of the lowest wage parts of England. Lots of minimum wage work in tourism and rural work generally. There are also all the nurses, paramedics, teachers, care workers, shop workers etc etc
Jambo - of course I am and I know it.
JP
Utter nonsense £80 000 a year even in london puts you in the top 5% of earners in the country - that makes you rich by any objective standard. You may not feel rich - but you are.
This is how things are so distorted in this country. the idea that you can be amongst the highers earners in the country and not be rich. Some of you guys are so divorced from reality and whats worse you have no understanding of how skewed your world view is!
The reason for the high property prices in London is the high wages - not the other way round!
Objectively though, that person in Bolton can afford to pay double the amount in terms of taxation yes? What is your ethical reason for not taxing that person more than someone who cannot pay as much in London?
More utter nonsesne Of ourse the person in london can pay as much tax. they earn the same amount!
The reason for the high property prices in London is the high wages – not the other way round!
Oh, I thought it was the housing density and under supply!
Evidence that wages drove it? And how is that the fault of someone who was born into London?
More utter nonsesne Of ourse the person in london can pay as much tax. they earn the same amount!
Okay TJ, do you agree then that Westminster should revoke all of Scotlands devolved taxation powers?
I'll bet my balls the proportion of people living in Bolton on 80k a year is pretty negligible.