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There’s at least some symmetry now. Both sides of the pond have voted in bigoted dishonest clowns. Not that the other options left us with much choice.
Both countries left wondering - when there are so many amazing individuals out there, how did those ones end up being our options???
When the squirrels rule the world in a few millennia maybe they’ll look back to the early 21st century as the final decline of humanity...
And what’s the impact of that paragraph on the average UK person?
It is not doomed to failure but for the average UK person it won't be better. It will be like the last 9 years for the average person just a bit worse;
Stagnating wages
Benefit issues
NHS getting worse
No noticeable difference from less immigrants, not that there probably will be less
Well, I’m very disappointed.
It seems you can lie and deceive and be a right wing loonie, and racist, and the public vote for you.
The UK seems to be full of that type of person, thankfully I’m not one of them.
It comes to something when you have to question some of your friends decisions, and that’s what it looks like some of us will be doing.
🤷♂️🥴😡
Well that's that then, I couldn't watch, listen or read anything after the exit pole sank in. And we've still got Whittaker in Calder valley.
Irrespective we've got to try to help those who are struggling, do our best to stop any rolling back of environmental, social and workplace legislation, be an open community and be nice to folk. I guess we won't be looking at electoral reform or an examination of the responsibility of the press for a while. I'm going to try to be nice to everyone. And consider moving home north of the border.
Or you could just get on with, work, play, cycle and look after your family whilst being as philanthropic as you can without carrying a depression around in your head that you can have little impact upon.
The one thing about these threads I find very sad is how angry or depressed people get over politics, many of which they cannot influence. I can imagine how shit my life would be if I went around beating myself around the head mentally about that for years.
It’s done, move on and make the best of what we have around us.
Can someone write in a short concise non political paragraph of as few words as possible why the UK is apparently now doomed to failure?
The SNP now have clear control of Scotland and will now exert all force in trying to leave the UK.
Anyway who’s voting what in the summer 2020 General Election?
No chance. Five years.
<Desperately looks for positives>
The only smidgen of hope is that Boris Johnson has effectively been liberated from the ERG headbangers, and has an opportunity to be slightly more moderate in both his approach to Brexit and domestic policy. Trouble is he's surrounded by hardliners in his present cabinet, having purged all the sensible voices.
Well that’s that then, I couldn’t watch, listen or read anything after the exit pole sank in. And we’ve still got Whittaker in Calder valley.
Irrespective we’ve got to try to help those who are struggling, do our best to stop any rolling back of environmental, social and workplace legislation, be an open community and be nice to folk. I guess we won’t be looking at electoral reform or an examination of the responsibility of the press for a while. I’m going to try to be nice to everyone. And consider moving home north of the border.
I'm afraid I have always been of your mindset but have, reluctantly, moved on.
If the people of Calder Valley want Tory and Brexit and it results in massive investment in health and social care then I will be happy for them.
If, as I suspect, we will see a worsening of life here then I will not be putting myself out to help the people who voted for it; from today forward I intend to follow their lead and look after number one, sod everyone else.
Or you could just get on with, work, play, cycle and look after your family whilst being as philanthropic as you can without carrying a depression around in your head that you can have little impact upon.
Easier said than done for many people I think.
from today forward I intend to follow their lead and look after number one, sod everyone else.
Hard though it is, we need to go the other way. We now need compassion more than ever.
Or you could just get on with, work, play, cycle and look after your family whilst being as philanthropic as you can
Or you could adopt the Tory way which is now ok to:
**** em! Work harder for people who will abuse their position for less with the threat of loosing your job hanging over your head, sit at home too knackered to play whilst your children look at you disapprovingly like you are some abject failure, sell your bikes to feed your family, whilst digging in the back of the sofa for the change that was dropped there back in early 2016.
Or you could just get on with, work, play, cycle and look after your family whilst being as philanthropic as you can without carrying a depression around in your head that you can have little impact upon.
The one thing about these threads I find very sad is how angry or depressed people get over politics, many of which they cannot influence. I can imagine how shit my life would be if I went around beating myself around the head mentally about that for years.
It’s done, move on and make the best of what we have around us.
Best thing I’ve read this morning. Well said Kryton. Look after yourself and your friends and family. Be nice to other people. Try do do things that will help the planet. Try not to spit bile and turn purple over events that you have no influence over.
The language and hate from some on this thread is extraordinary.
I see the Nationalists are now a majority in Northern Ireland.
What does that mean in terms of re-unification of Ireland?
If, as I suspect, we will see a worsening of life here then I will not be putting myself out to help the people who voted for it; from today forward I intend to follow their lead and look after number one, sod everyone else.
This is the Tory way and I feel if you don’t adopt it, you will be a victim of those around you who will push you around.
Survival of the fittest, **** the rest of em.
I suspect there will be a few years of this very hardline attitude and you will now need to look after yourself in what will be a smash and grab society.
**** em! Work harder for people who will abuse their position for less with the threat of loosing your job hanging over your head, sit at home too knackered to play whilst your children look at you disapprovingly like you are some abject failure, sell your bikes to feed your family, whilst digging in the back of the sofa for the change that was dropped there back in early 2016.
I’m neither a Political revelation or someone unusual but I manage to maintain an element of control and have achieve a level of success above that having been brought up in exactly that background. Ive gotten on with things, worked hard and tried to make the right decision.
What I didn’t do is spent my life bemoaning what my boss is earning or rebelling against my employer that’d put my job in jeopardy. You can carry that attitude bike bouy or you can get on with living. Like I said, I’m not going to have a mental war with myself for the next five years. If I need to queue in the Foriengers line when entering Europe so be it. If I have to wait longer for a small op, so be it. If I lose my job, I’ll look for another etc.
Get on with things, continued moaning is just self destructive
and she’ll probably be out of a job 🙁
Well I take that back, Cardiff North MP Anna McMorrin held onto her marginal seat with an increased majority . I put it down to all the canvassing she did with the adorable Cadi 😍 who couldn't vote for her 😁😁
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You can carry that attitude bike bouy or you can get on with living.
Well, I respect you for the changes you have made recently to your own personal situation, your outlook and your home life. You’ve certainly made the right changes.
I wish you well. Whatever decisions you make.
I will make my own decisions, at the moment I feel that there is nothing to celebrate, nothing to look forward to and only see a worsening of the UK s social attitude. I am in the minority in know that now. People have voted for a social Wild West environment and there will be a few who succeed but many that won’t.
What I will stand by is my core personal ideals. If that means I have to tell lies and deceive then so be it, it’s the Tory way now, toe the line or loose. Simple.
It was close in Wimbledon - from a 5.5k Tory maj to one just over 600 from the LD..
Frankly I’m surprised it was that close!
“this is a 30+ year project”
30 years of Tory rule?
Hopefully the foolishness will be clear to all after the next election. It won’t be before then I fear. Prove me wrong Labour… please.
Momemtumtards busy rewriting history already, while Labour supporters look on in despair.
"Twas the Falklands war Brexit wont dun it."
Jezzbags off to Morecambe again, is he? Some where nice till the heat dies down? Possibly putting some fencing in, eh? But one side of it painted red with a broken gold star on it?
So where did the Labour vote go?
Did it go to the Libs? The Greenies?... The Brexies?...
Shurely it went to the Brexies?
No!...
Tell me it's not true!
It went to where?
Like in 1983, etc? Wow. Or not wow, actually.
I did bump into a lady (or bloke, or lamppost - it doesn't matter) that pondered that if Labour had been a remain party at the start, you know, bothering to turn up for the referendum, rather than navel gazing, politburo bureau purging and s****ing behind it's hand, maybe, just maybe, a different group would be cheering this morning.
If you're a Momentumer, your remembering of that period of history will be, what non Momentum folk call, doublethink.
Oooh! I forgot! The centrist! There's one on here how's mad keen on "blaming" the centrists, isn't there? Similar b011ox was spouted after the Attlee government lost power, but you wouldn't know that, what with, you know, the rewriting of history, doublethink and everything.
wwwooowWWWOOOOWwooooowWWWoooo....
But wait! What's this? It's the Ghost of Elections Past...
"We need to be MORE socialist!"
"We need MORE nationalisation!"
The Ghost of Elections Present is a lump coal (Ha! Miners reference.)
Ghost of Elections Future is another 8 years in the wilderness.
Ta. Thanks. Cheers. Now get back to blaming the Liberals.
The only smidgen of hope is that Boris Johnson has effectively been liberated from the ERG headbangers, and has an opportunity to be slightly more moderate in both his approach to Brexit and domestic policy. Trouble is he’s surrounded by hardliners in his present cabinet, having purged all the sensible voices.
Hopefully this. Might be smidgen, but it's all we have I think.
So it seems that the Tories managed to convince people in the working class heartlands to hold their noses sufficiently to vote for them and getting Brexit done better that Lab/Lib Dems managed to persuade folk in the other direction. Tory majorities in those areas are down but not by enough to win the seats. BoJo reflected that in his speech ('loaned me your vote')
Has Corbyn been a factor - yes he was in place in 2017 but I think we've had 2 years now of seeing what an ineffective opposition he has been and as a result what a poor PM he'd make, and that's now crystallised in the vote.
I really thought this was heading another way but I clearly don't know my own country from my safe seat in the home counties. Am i happy to have had the referendum result rammed home again; no, but it's answered in my mind the question of did/do people (think they) know what they voted for and are they still OK with that choice. I can't pretend to agree or understand still, but maybe I'm wrong in my views. Time will tell. They won, we lost, time to get over it.
One of my kids is going through a really bad time, and I give them advice that i need to listen to myself. Sometimes life is like a dark scary forest, that you have to cross. You can stand and look at it for ages, but it'll still be there in front of you. You can take tentative steps through it and it will take time to cross, or you can stride into it and try to walk positively to the other side. But above all, once going you can't stop, because then the only place you'll be in in the middle of that forest. I'm going to try and walk positively, be good to the people I meet on the way and hope they'll be good back to me.
30 years of Tory rule.
Don't worry - If my daughter and her friends is anything to go by the anti-capitalism indoctrination of kids at school is well under way. In another 5 years they'll be eligible to vote.
The one thing about these threads I find very sad is how angry or depressed people get over politics, many of which they cannot influence.
How can I not be angry or depressed? There are people sleeping in doorways right now in the cold and rain because no-one has the money to help them. Because Tories. I can't just pretend they're not there.
When we have sufficient homeless services, when our NHS is well funded and effective, when are schools have the money they need to educate my kids, when our poor and vulnerable are looked after and helped, then I'll feel better. But I can't ignore any of this.
Or you could just get on with, work, play, cycle and look after your family whilst being as philanthropic as you can without carrying a depression around in your head that you can have little impact upon.
Things ever been a bit tight in your gaff - you know, not the great avocado drought of 23 June, but really tight?
You remember what it was like in the house in 1983, when the factories were closing, there was no other jobs, no chance of moving and no help coming and all you had to look forward to was another 5 year of laissez faire politics?
People remember that time. It was utter 4uc7ing 54it for many.
Hmmm, not sure how I'm gonna cope/deal with my raving Brexit in-laws on Christmas day now...
People who have moaned about life in the UK as long as I've known them, how hard done by they are, how they never get helped out (they're on disability benefits with a motobility car and are at the doctor's/hospital more often than I'm in the supermarket).
People who moved to Spain for about 5 years as they were so fed up with life here and ended up in a 'little England' town in Spain with all their over-tanned wrinkly friends.
Every time they moan about how long it takes them to get a doctor's appointment, how they have virtually no pension, why 'brexit' is taking so long, why there are still immigrants on our streets I will remind them that they wanted this and actively voted for it...
67% turnout, utterly depressing that almost exactly a third of the electorate just couldn't be arsed to get out and vote.
I hope as our rights are slowly eroded that no one finds themselves in the position I was in a few years ago where thanks to changes in the law made by the Tories (assisted by the Lib Dems) was days away from becoming homeless. I was only saved thanks to the generosity of my family and some luck with jobs. If that had happened I've no idea where I'd be now.
Things ever been a bit tight in your gaff – you know, not the great avocado drought of 23 June, but really tight?
You remember what it was like in the house in 1983, when the factories were closing, there was no other jobs, no chance of moving
My parents had 4 jobs between them, an 18% mortgage and I was brought up on either baked beans or mince with mash potato for dinner on alternate days every week. All my clothes were from jumble sales until I paid for my own pair of jeans age 16 with money saved from my paper round. We had no car, my Dad used his counci van once a week for the weekly shop which was our day out. At 16 I was a pinch away from joining REME with no qualifications.
So, yes. I'm not of the privaledged background some assume I am.
Corbyn is not an amoral man. He can never tell a lie: pretending to watch the Queen’s Christmas message in the morning showed he’s not used to fibbing. He is a man without any qualities required of a leader, mental agility, articulacy, strategy, good humour or charisma.
LOL
Oof
It's all too depressing. The utter madness of leaving the EU and now this. At least I'm not working today so I'm off on the bike and then out walking the dog later. Should make me feel a lot better for a few hours at least. Suppose I should be making as much use of our rights of way before the Tories get rid of them.
Oooh! I forgot! The centrist! There’s one on here how’s mad keen on “blaming” the centrists, isn’t there? Similar b011ox was spouted after the Attlee government lost power, but you wouldn’t know that, what with, you know, the rewriting of history, doublethink and everything.
Hah!
Nailed it.
67% turnout, utterly depressing that almost exactly a third of the electorate just couldn’t be arsed to get out and vote.
I've heard a lot of people say they won't be voting this time round because of a lack of trust, or total despair with the options. Yes, they could have voted Green, or whatever. Would the end result have been any different?
How can I not be angry or depressed? There are people sleeping in doorways right now in the cold and rain because no-one has the money to help them. Because Tories. I can’t just pretend they’re not there.
Indeed. It's heartbreaking. People are literally dying. It gets said on the news, it's repeated, and the figures are appalling, yet unless people experience it first hand, friends or family suffering from the lack of support available to them, I don't think it sinks in. Sad times.
67% turnout is indeed a travesty, totally incomprehensible to me how so many people can decide that the future direction of this country is not worth 20 minutes of their time.
I'm struggling to see how my, and my peer group's, political view of the world is so diametrically opposed to the rest of the country. All this talk of Brexiters being narrow-minded and refusing to see other people's points of view - are they in the right and me in the wrong? I've tried to do everything correctly:
* reading the manifesto's and arguments form all the parties, researching the background and making my own, informed descision.
* talking about things with people of opposing sides and trying to understand why they are making the choice they are.
* reading multiple media sources to get a broader picture, refusing to just read articles that reinforce my view.
* putting the needs and aspirations of others ahead of my own personal opinions at times when it can make a difference.
Am I the one that needs to step out of my little world, accept that my opinion is wrong and join the majority? Or just abandon any interest in politics and let the rest of the country decide my world for me? I know which one I feel like doing right now after years of political war in this country.
I'm seriously worried about what lays in store for the next 5+ years.
On the bright side, for all of us who live south of the Watford gap, we won't have to listen to northerners moaning anymore, they're all going to starve.
Well I take that back, Cardiff North MP Anna McMorrin held onto her marginal seat with an increased majority . I put it down to all the canvassing she did with the adorable Cadi 😍 who couldn’t vote for her 😁😁
That was the one saving grace for us this morning.
Everytime I think of any positives from last night, I come crashing back down to earth with the fact that people voted for Rees Mogg.
FFS.
Some good news.
67% turnout, utterly depressing that almost exactly a third of the electorate just couldn’t be arsed to get out and vote.
Couldn't be arsed? Some. An awful lot more though utterly frustrated at the piss poor offerings on all sides. The race to extremes of right and left, the lies, division and hatred.
There is a huge swathe of people in this country that long for moderate, centre ground politics and are so horrified by right wing Trumpist populism on the one side and hard left leanings on the other, that they feel politically bereft. Many of them won't have been able to bring themselves to endorse any of the shit choices they've been given.
I very nearly didn't vote myself but in the end, very reluctantly, voted for the losing side but only as the least worst option. As a retired career soldier I have lost a few lifelong friendships because of it.
A sad, ****ed up state of affairs.
67% turnout is indeed a travesty, totally incomprehensible to me
As above, the lack of real alternatives made a lot of people see it a forlorn hope.
And it was raining.
the least worst option
As a country, is that the best we can do?
Brilliant result. Britain comes to its senses and rejects the Corbyn Communist abyss.
Some good news.
I know I know it is a bit optimistic but so be it. 😄
The good news is that Labour is slowly being eaten inside out. If they get it wrong again in the next GE Labour will become insignificant forever. Forever.
Jo Swinson losing 🤣. Knew that is going to happen as she risked it all.
SNP will get a surprise in the 2nd referendum ... 😀 Go if they wish.
In the meantime Tories will have to watch their back if they don't deliver Brexit, coz it will be a new opposition party that will challenge them in the next GE.
67% turnout is indeed a travesty, totally incomprehensible to me how so many people can decide that the future direction of this country is not worth 20 minutes of their time
Because for millions of people, due to FPTP, it isn't?
RM.
<Desperately looks for positives>
There are few, but:
Brexit Party / UKIP are done, purpose served. Farage will be unbearable, but he once again failed to get any MPs elected, of course that wasn't his goal, his goal was to draw voters from Labour. His prize will be handed to him very soon, Peerage probably. He'll go to the Lords, Gloat at bit, then not bother to turn up.
Brexit is done, yes I know there's lots to be negotiated but I honestly think a bad decision is better than no decision and I think we're all completely fed up about it. I hope to see a lot of flag waving Leave voting 'ex pats' crying into their beer and fried egg stained vests as they blame "The Spanish" for denying their applications to stay in their Country.
The UK, just might, calm the **** down a bit. I mean the Tories called for the Referendum in 2015, and since then it seems like the UK has been at war with itself. We're more polarised than ever before in my lifetime and there's no tolerance to speak of. It seems like we've all retreated into our own little echo-chamber bunkers.
It's going to be tough, but it's not going to be Armageddon, just yet anyway.
You never know, Trump might lost next year and the Western World might just step back from the Far Right Brink.
As above, the lack of real alternatives made a lot of people see it a forlorn hope.
And it was raining.
Our station reported being the busiest they’ve seen but we had no rain most of the day, even when it did it didn’t put people off.
coz it will be a new opposition party that will challenge them in the next GE.
Will it? Do you mean a re-invigorated Labour or something else?
Because as someone pointed out a few day ago (could be daz, not sure) the Blairish, smoother, more electable Labour will struggle to get a foothold in the current party. I can't see who could lead them who would appeal to anti-Corbyn types and the New New Labour
Eddie Izzard maybe.