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If I join UKIP will they deport Tom_W1987
Ahhh deportation of political enemies, the resort of fascists. 
For all the posters talking sense on here (let's face it, Tommy is the only one who isn't), I'd advise them to check out the posts on Breitbart London. It seems sanity is slowly being restored and the country is lurching to the right, after 30 years plus of suicidal left-wing thinking.
I reckon if I was a bit racisty (just a little bit), a bit right wing, a bit bigoty, I'd wring my hands a bit more about political correctness and it being the cause of abuse continuing to happen. I'd probably take the word of those who allowed it to continue because they were afraid of the PC Brigade (whoever they are) at face value, without question. That would suit my agenda.
Breitbart London
A site run and owned by a tea party supporter, you're teh lolz.
DD nail/head.
I reckon if I was a bit racisty (just a little bit), a bit right wing, a bit bigoty, I'd wring my hands a bit more about political correctness and it being the cause of abuse continuing to happen. I'd probably take the word of those who allowed it to continue because they were afraid of the PC Brigade (whoever they are) at face value, without question. That would suit my agenda.
+1
I think we've outed some proper racists here. 😈
[i]DD nail/head.[/i]
indeed, a very convenient get out of jail free card (perhaps literally) for some.
The problem is Tommy, by using the racist-accusation, you're using an increasingly defunct language.
He's against mass immigration - racist.
He criticises political correctness - racist.
He dares question the wisdom of the cultural revolution - racist.
It's been done to death and people are increasingly unafraid of it.
The problem is Tommy, by using the racist-accusation, you're using an increasingly defunct language.
He's against mass immigration - racist.
He criticises political correctness - racist.
He dares question the wisdom of the cultural revolution - racist.
It's been done to death and people are increasingly unafraid of it.
For none of that, for saying that ****stanis are more likely to sexually abuse girls. An unfounded accusation which reveals his true self.
[i]He dares question the wisdom of the cultural revolution[/i]
I do love this phrase in relation to the changes in Western society over the past 50 years - is it something Fox News use?
I was about to flame Lifer till I saw the "/" 😀
Look, I'm as horrified by the stories as the next guy, but wwaswas ^ elucidates my point perfectly. It's an awfully convenient excuse for not doing one's job. "Oh, the PC Brigade was doing an inspection downstairs so I just sort of rearranged my "to investigate" list to make sure we were concentrating on taking children from white heterosexual smoking males instead of on ****stani Taxi Drivers raping young girls." I'm surprised it's being accepted without question by so many. 😐
For none of that, for saying that ****stanis are more likely to sexually abuse girls. An unfounded accusation which reveals his true self.
That wasn't my point back in the foggy mists of yesterday. My point was:
"the allegations were not properly investigated before because the abusers were asian and the white staff were worried they would be accused of racism."
You then went off into hysteria-mode, played the racist card, and bish bash bosh, here we are!
That wasn't my point back in the foggy mists of yesterday. My point was:
"the allegations were not properly investigated before because the abusers were asian and the white staff were worried they would be accused of racism."You then went off into hysteria-mode, played the racist card, and bish bash bosh, here we are!
A point you made to try and counter my UKIP racism troll, unfortunately it turned out I have some evidence to back up my claim.
"A study I co-authored last year with Matthew Goodwin and David Cutts took a look at the attitudes and preferences of a large sample of over 4,000 Ukip voters gathered just after the 2009 European Parliament elections - Ukip's biggest electoral triumph to date. We looked at British voters' attitudes towards immigrants, Muslims and ethnic minorities, and in each case we found the same thing: Ukip were less likely to hold intolerant views than the BNP, but more likely than the supporters of any of the three maintream parties. I'll take them in turn."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robert-ford/are-ukip-supporters-racist_b_2193055.html
Where as you made a claim that does not have any evidence to back it up, as such, it was derived from racist thinking.
I do love this phrase in relation to the changes in Western society over the past 50 years - is it something Fox News use?
"Cultural revolution" was used in my school textbooks (and I went to a very liberal comp), and I think it is a historical term to describe social changes which is used by those on the left and the right. It is an increasingly politically loaded term, I'd grant you - that's partly why I use it!
[i]"Cultural revolution" was used in my school textbooks[/i]
specifically in relation to China, I suspect?
It seems to be shorthand for unwelcome and enforced change imposed by radical left wingers in the context you use it.
Where as you made a claim that does not have any evidence to back it up, ergo, it's racist.
I don't think the founding fathers of Western philosophy would be too convinced by your "ergo". My point was about political correctness!
Btw, when you debate with someone, do you automatically picture them as Bernard Manning?
Btw, when you debate with someone, do you automatically picture them as Bernard Manning?
Nope, I just automatically assume everyone else is wrong.
Look, I'm as horrified by the stories as the next guy, but wwaswas ^ elucidates my point perfectly. It's an awfully convenient excuse for not doing one's job. "Oh, the PC Brigade was doing an inspection downstairs so I just sort of rearranged my "to investigate" list to make sure we were concentrating on taking children from white heterosexual smoking males instead of on ****stani Taxi Drivers raping young girls." I'm surprised it's being accepted without question by so many
Of course it could be a convenient excuse, but the best evidence we have, the report, suggests it was a factor.
specifically in relation to China, I suspect?
Alas we didn't get as far as China. No it was used to denote the social changes in the UK in the late 50s and 60s (the pill, change to divorce laws, changes to crime and punishment legislation). I think the term "social revolution" was also used.
Nope, I just automatically assume everyone else is wrong.
Probably a good place to start from, I admit. I do love the similar Brian Clough quote!
the pill, change to divorce laws
Ahhhh it's a shame women got more power over their own bodies and lives.
I bet you'd love living in Saudi Arabia.
Also, don't take me personally. I love a good argument, the racism accusation wasn't entirely meant.
I bet you'd love living in Saudi Arabia.
I'd argue my negative attitude towards mass immigration stems from the fact I would rather not live in Saudi Arabia (unless I owned all the oilfields, naturally).
Of course it could be a convenient excuse, but the best evidence we have, the report, suggests it was a factor.
Factor. Indeed.
Which of course suggests it's not the [i]only[/i] thing at play here. And, as subjective an opinion as this is, I don't believe it's as big a factor as those who live under the oppressive shadow of the PC Brigade want to think.
I pretty fed up of the racism tag being used to block free speech and debate.
Racism means you discriminate against people because of their ethnicity/ biological makeup, e.g. colour of their skin, slitty eyes, ginger hair etc. This is clearly ridiculous and you would have to be very stupid individual to hold these prejudices.
What is perfectly acceptable is to judge or criticise people on their beliefs, that is after all what happens every day on STW. If I believed in the fairies and prayed to them every day and thought the rest of you were dirty infidels for not sharing my beliefs no one would think twice about taking the piss, but if I stuck my bum in the air 5 times a day to pray to Allah then no one would say anything for fear of being called a racist.
[i]I think we've outed some proper racists here. [/i]
We've just had to sack a receptionist because she was, well, just a bit racist. It was pretty shocking really, complaining that some "Indians" were looking at the next door cottage in her village. When Seema (duh) asked what the problem was her response was " well, they fit in in do they?"
There are loads of people who will say "I'm not racist" but haven't given any other thought to it and say some really terrible things!!
Shit thing to have happened to loads of kids, and nothing was done because it was too much like hard work, they're all a bit chavvy and into drugs and no-one gives a shit about them. There are people that need to go to prison for this
What is perfectly acceptable is to judge or criticise people on their beliefs, that is after all what happens every day on STW. If I believed in the fairies and prayed to them every day and thought the rest of you were dirty infidels for not sharing my beliefs no one would think twice about taking the piss, but if I stuck my bum in the air 5 times a day to pray to Allah then no one would say anything for fear of being called a racist.
That's all well and good and personally I don't think Badnews is actually racist. It's just that there is a fine line between attacking ideology/beliefs and making sweeping statements about an ethnic groups being more likely to do this or that based on you're own personal prejudices.
And if I want to be perfectly truthful with myself, it was only after saying that UKIPers are probably more likely to be racist that I found a bit of evidence for that. So I can be guilty of prejudiced thinking, everyone can, the difference being is that you should try to be aware of it.
That's my final sensible contribution to this thread, on with the hilarity.
Thanks Tom for your kind words, it's been good to debate on this, let's just hope that justice is served (I think the issue is attracting a lot of political, media and public pressure that it will do).
Time I did some work!
Exit badnewz, pursued by bear.
It's ok, Ernie would catch me out as being a hypocrite sooner or later. Had to come clean! 😉
I jest.
What I want to know is what measures are going to be put in place to help prevent this from happening again.
it's been good to debate on this
I think we've outed some proper racists here.
Easy on the self-congratulations all you ace debating society members. Remember the context a bit, perhaps.
I think we've outed some proper racists here.We've just had to sack a receptionist because she was, well, just a bit racist. It was pretty shocking really, complaining that some "Indians" were looking at the next door cottage in her village. When Seema (duh) asked what the problem was her response was " well, they fit in in do they?"
There are loads of people who will say "I'm not racist" but haven't given any other thought to it and say some really terrible things!!
Shit thing to have happened to loads of kids, and nothing was done because it was too much like hard work, they're all a bit chavvy and into drugs and no-one gives a shit about them. There are people that need to go to prison for this
+1
What I want to know is what measures are going to be put in place to help prevent this from happening again.
I wouldn't know where to begin, the report leaves me speechless.
Easy on the self-congratulations all you ace debating society members. Remember the context a bit, perhaps.
It's good that people can find common ground. Silly polarization can help to highlight each side of the debate but at the end of the day humanities problems usually stem from the fact that we can often never relate to each other and find a compromise.
I was interested to see an interview on sky news today, with a young muslim chap who's a youth leader (I think) in Rotherham - he was upset that the police/council had never asked their community about their views on racism and was angry at the presumptions that were made about their community. He mentioned something about the community not having a problem with the police targeting those who committed violent offenses (I think).
The point being, if someone had spent the time to actually create dialogue then this might have been avoided. Which leads me to believe, as others do on here, that the "racism" excuse is a little bit of a cop out although not entirely invalid.
I know loads of people who could be considered to be racist, that's their right, as long as their views do not impact negatively on other peoples lives that's fine.
You can hate black people, that's fine as long as you don't go around physically or verbally abusing them.
If someone does not want Indians living next door that's fine, and that's fine to say that. Not a lot they can do about it , if it happened they might actually like there new neighbours, or not.
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Is that point people keep making about "30 years of left wing thinking" sarcasm? If it's not, then you must think Thatcher was a pinko liberal, right? Fackin' hell!
You can hate black people, that's fine as long as you don't go around physically or verbally abusing them.
Or you know, mark them down in exams or treat them differently in a job. It's so easy to do all of this unconsciously, much easier to just try and change your subconscious attitudes a bit. If you really actually care.
Every person who allowed this to happen should be exposed and face the consequences.
Whether that's losing there jobs or facing charges.
There is no excuse, I would rather be branded for evermore a racist than stand by and let this happen.
People will have there beliefs. If they are afraid to air them, you can never challenge them.
Some of the nicest people I know are racist.
And would help anyone out in genuine need what ever colour they are.
But feel this country is being destroyed by mass immigration.
So there for racist in many peoples eyes.
People who chose to foster children, good kind people surely.
have children removed because the vote ukip.
[i]People who chose to foster children, good kind people surely[/i]
or people seeing an opportunity to indoctrinate children into their political/religious/whatever beliefs and get paid for doing it?
I still stand by them doing that chip, not because they are racist but because the bigger the cultural gap between the children and the foster parents the worse the mental health outcomes are for the children.
It doesn't mean they should be banned from fostering and I don't think they were. It just means that there are people more suited to those individual children. Fostering isn't a right.
The social services have to make a judgement based on the child's best interests, not the foster parents. If those children were damaged in anyway, then they would be responsible.
**** off it was a black baby who would have been put with a black family if one was available.
But this people chose to help because its a baby who needed love and interaction.
The baby was taken because the PC brigade branded them as racists.
If they were they would not have cared to help.
What I want to know is what measures are going to be put in place to help prevent this from happening again.
This is the real issue here and the reason I'm such a stubborn *
However, even the current government at the very highest level has played a part in covering up some very sinister activity:
[b]of course, despite it being unlikely under the circumstance, the 114 lost files could be coincidental.However, revoking the visa of a journalist who was going to investigate child abuse on Jersey shows complicity:[/b]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
[b]Given that a number of sources report a network of abusers within the care system trafficking children between Jersey, Islington, Lambeth and North Wales amongst others, not to mention a stash of extreme abuse images turning up in Belgium which appear to have been taken on Jersey, is it not fair to be a mite suspicious?
Of course, the fact that Jimmy Savile tried to avoid association with Haut de la Garenne (the Jersey House of Horrors) may be a source of further suspicion.
Given that there are several children who appear to have been sent to Jersey and gone missing (an issue raised in Parliament by MP John Hemming) you really have to wonder what the * was going on there:[/b]
This could in fact go beyond government, as ultimate authority over the crown dependency of Jersey is in the hands of the Queen...
The baby was taken because the PC brigade branded them as racists.If they were they would not have cared to help.
Free essay as you won't have access to many journals.
The baby was taken because the [s]PC brigade branded them as racists[/s] stuck to normal protocol.
You seem to be more worried about the foster parents than the child.
If they were they would not have cared to help.
Not everyone cares for altruistic reasons, even if they do, the subconscious comes into play.