[Closed] only 100 ml of fluids allowed if visiting the olympics

what to drink at the world's greatest sporting event

No flask of tea in what looks like perfect "tea in the rain" conditions.

I think you'll find, that the answer is [s]beer/coffee[/s] wine/pastis and it's in France not UK.

FTFY

Just wondering if you're allowed to bring 100ml of pastis in a 1 1/2 litre bottle and add water once inside. 😆

But what if someone is taking a baby and needs bottles of milk? Same applies to a plane. Is there an exception and you have to test it to prove it's okay?

I think you'll find, that the answer is beer/coffee and it's in France not UK.

Would this be the same liquid explosive that requires lab conditions to manufacture in situ as it is non-transportable?
All they need to look for is the water baths and calibrated thermometers

The stuff I witnessed was two commonly available products mixed in a jug, in a field. Compared to the c4 we were also using the explosion was very unruly.

You're only moaning beacuse you haven't got a ticket.

🙂

Sod the grumbling, I'm really looking forward to it!

(Then again, I have tickets, so nerr.......! 😉 )

I hate the Olympics and all it stands for

This however

Although, weirdly, my wife won't drink water from our bathroom tap even though she knows it's the same as from the kitchen

[b]Although she is from Brazil.[/b]

means I'm now properly jealous.....

Just take 100ml of squash, dilute with the rain.

Every music gig I've been to in the last 3-4 years that I've bothered taking a camera to I've been told to leave it outside/in cloths lockers as they aren't allowed due to exisitng obligations (to contracted photographers).

The fact its the only digital camera I have, and the fact I'm not affiliated with any tog/media contracts totally misses them.

I didn't get any tickets, so I'm miffed anyway, but I'm exceptionally glad that I'm not going. For all of the show of security, don't you think that any potential terrorist has already figured out a way of getting their weapons of destruction in?

After all, there'll be literally hundreds of trucks delivering goods every day (to McDonalds and the like) - do you[i] honestly[/i] think that every inch of every vehicle will be checked? All you need is collusion between a driver and a member of the receiving staff, and you can get stuff in. The major security screening areas at airports and the like are regularly bypassed by large numbers of people—maintenance staff, shop workers, airline staff, and security themselves. Almost all of those jobs are crappy, low-paid jobs with really high turnover. If you’re a serious plotter, don’t you think you could get one of those jobs? And look at the people G4S have hired – none of the people I saw yesterday on the TV filled me with any great confidence, and the only check that’s done is to see if they pass the standard police reconds review. Gosh, if only al-Qaeda had thought of using people without a criminal record, eh?

And then there’s the shoes. Taking off your shoes is next to useless. Saying that we all have to take our shoes off because they might contain explosives is almost as bad as saying that the terrorists wore red shirts last time, so we should probably ban all red shirts, and that’ll make us safer. If our beloved security services focus on shoes, it’s not beyond the wit of man to believe that terrorists will simply put their explosives elsewhere; the result is that a load of time is spent on the screening but there’s no reduction in the total threat.

What about those swabs they have, you know, the ones they rub over the keyboard of your laptop? This is a test for explosives, which would be excellent if you assume that terrorists are pig-thick. Apparently the idea is that al-Qaeda has never heard of latex gloves and wiping down with alcohol.

I absolutely understand that the purpose of terrorism is to terrorise, and nothing could be better for some bad guys than to disrupt the Olympics. But if terrorists really want to do this, and you lock down the Olympic Park that tightly, what’s to stop a committed terrorist from detonating something in, say, the Blackwall Tunnel? Certainly close enough to cause pandemonium, and it would inevitably be linked to the Games. Just fill a car with explosives, drive through it tomorrow, and job done. Total chaos, the Olympics is in panic, and your aims are achieved.

So what you’re left with in all of this security checking is a bit of pantomime. [Oh yes you are.] The message given is that we, the Government, are doing everything we can to protect you. Thing is, the actions that really make you safe – better intelligence mainly – don’t address public fears because they can’t be seen. But that’s OK, you can justify the pantomime because, to start with at least, a show of strength, no matter how pointless, has the effect of instilling that confidence. After a very short while, however, the message has changed. At first the additional security guard at Luton Airport reassures you, but after a while, you either continue to take it seriously, in which case you start to believe that air travel is really dangerous, or you become astonishingly cynical like me, and believe it’s a total and utter waste of time and money, a sop by a cynical government to pacify the gullible masses.

100ml bottles? An utterly pointless triviality. If you think it makes you safer, you’re deluded. You should be angry about this, not just nod your head and meekly accept this tripe. But instead we'll all shuffle around, bleating about 'the common good' and 'the need for security'. How utterly British of us.

How can you not like drinking water ?? It's water !! It has no taste (OK except in London maybe but I hear you get used to it)

I was at a Crowd Management Seminar recently at a big stadium, v interesting, one presenter was saying that terrorists also line up secondary target e.g. the evacuation area in case of incident, so be careful not to put everybody in the same place if you have to clear an event. Chilling stuff.

OK except in London maybe but I hear you get used to it

they used to run tastes tests of various waters - spring/bottled and tap - and Thames Water regularly would win or be at the top - even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.

even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.

Really?

Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.

Drinking water is collected from rain.

Yes, rain does comes from clouds which may form over the sea, but in that case we're drinking the pee of everyone on the planet that ever lived.

I an aware that there is a plan to recycle waste water into drinking water in London, but it'll be a first.

Sorry Nick, i don't really get the point of your post. You're saying the counter terrorism measures don't work, so what? We shouldn't bother with them? Or that we should just carry on and let the deluded fools walk into Al Qaeda's trap while the smart people aren't bothering to go to the Olympics because they can see it's all a sham?

No measure will be 100.00000000% effective. I'm sure the majority of plots are foiled by people far smarter and braver than you or I, who are probably at this exact moment putting the finishing touches to a devastating attack on the Olympics/ an airport / the Underground but who in fact are risking themselves to make our streets safer as undercover operatives and are about to call time. If this 100ml bottle situation is just dotting i's and crossing t's to prevent the extremely unlikely scenario of some out of joint nutjob who's read something on the internet carrying out their own attack, I'm all for a little queueing to accomodate it. You're right, it probably won't foil an attack because there probably won't be one, but if it makes it harder for one to succeed, i think the cost benefit equation is tolerable.

Simply saying it won't do any good and refusing to participate because you think it's meek and british to accept it - if we all did that then the terrorists will have won anyway. An Olympics where no-one turned up because we think the counter terrorism measures are over the top - brilliant.

Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.

Drinking water is collected from rain.

In the Thames Water region 80% of drinking water comes from rivers, and treated waste water is pumped into rivers.

Nick f, well said, and sadly so plausible that those who get paid considerable amounts of money have totally ignored and failed to cover.

An Olympics where no-one turned up because we think the counter terrorism measures are over the top - brilliant.

More likely to be an Olympics where the counter terrorism measure fail to turn up, tbh. It's looking like a total shambles.

An article on the evening news just mentioned the total lack of security staff. For example, at a site in Manchester today 17 out of the 56 contracted G4S staff turned up. The police had to be used to replace them, at a cost of £30000 a day.
They also had another article on their management and the government's control of the situation. Apparently they know that there are going to be massive no-shows of staff. But Theresa May, or the G4S directors, doesn't even know the base figure of how many have been employed so guessing who or how many will turn up is almost impossible.

Sorry Nick, i don't really get the point of your post. You're saying the counter terrorism measures don't work, so what? We shouldn't bother with them? Or that we should just carry on and let the deluded fools walk into Al Qaeda's trap while the smart people aren't bothering to go to the Olympics because they can see it's all a sham?

My point is this - if you really think there's a terrorist threat, spend the money on intelligence. Don't spend millions on something that effectively makes the terrorists' points for them (i.e that they have significant power and can affect the lives of everyone in Britain) when it's not the case.

It's not just the Olympics, it's airports/stadia/ferries/museums(!)...you name it, there's a security goon there 'for your own protection' who doesn't actually deliver [i]any[/i] real protection. I'm not saying that queuing up to prevent an attack is a waste of time because there won't be an attack, it's that if there were to be an attack, this sort of checking would almost certainly not have prevented it.

As I said before, there are a multiplicity of ways to get dangerous materials through, and if we think that queuing up will somehow prevent this, we're at best astonishingly naive. And by acting as if the terrorists are a real, credible and daily threat, we're giving them the oxygen of publicity, [i]which is exactly what they want[/i]. Never thought I'd agree with Thatcher on anything, but she was right on this.

I didn't get any tickets, so I'm miffed anyway, but I'm exceptionally glad that I'm not going

I award you the award for talking the biggest load of tripe on STW this year!

You wanted to go so you applied for tickets, but because you didn't get any now you're glad you're not going.

Right

I see.

🙄

I award you the award for talking the biggest load of tripe on STW this year!

You wanted to go so you applied for tickets, but because you didn't get any now you're glad you're not going.

Right

I see.

I wanted to go. I support the Olympics.

I don't think the security programme is anything other than window dressing, but I'd have put up with it (because I'd have no choice). That's not the same as agreeing with it. As it is, I got no tickets, so at least I'm spared the charade of G4S 'protecting' me.

Tripe? If you say so.

Tripe? If you say so.

I do say so.

Thanks for agreeing. 😛

Thank god the whole bloody balls up will be over soon.

In the Thames Water region 80% of drinking water comes from rivers, and treated waste water is pumped into rivers.

And how many millions of gallons of rain water are collected by those same rivers do you think ernie?

Ah yes, that famous closed system, the Thames.

Our courier is DPD but they won't be delivering anything within the London Olympic zone during the Olympics. Everything is to be delivered by UPS (the official logistics company of the Olympics apparently). This means that all parcels can be checked outside the zone and that only one courier company's personnel will have to be security checked.

Please feel free to put me right on this one as DPD don't have a clue and we are trying to let our London based customers know what the hell is going on!

the whole security thing is a farce of the highest order. Missile batteries on tower blocks, no liquids to be carried in ETC etc Just window dressing intended to make people think that everything possible is being done but actually wasting money on useless gestures

I would rather Olympics go to N.Korea ...

And how many millions of gallons of rain water are collected by those same rivers do you think ernie?

Why ? ......how is that relevant ?

As I said, Thames Water pumps treated waste water into rivers. It also collects water from rivers. How many millions of gallons of rainwater I think enters rivers is completely irrelevant.

Although if you are interested I can tell you that 80% of the water in the River Wandle (which is what Wandsworth is named after, and where it enters the Thames) comes from Beddington Sewage Farm. So presumably 20% of the water in my local river comes from rainwater. HTH

even though it has on average been through the human body 7 times.

Really?

Waste water is treated and sent to the sea.

Drinking water is collected from rain.

[url= http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070520045921AAwt7aQ ]Someone from Thames Water told me the average glass of tap water in London is recycled 7 times?[/url]

however:

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572840/Tap-water-beats-bottles-in-taste-test.html ]Tap water beats bottles in taste test[/url]

If you are working there I have heard that using the wrong brands of phone can get you escorted from the venue.

If you are working there I have heard that using the wrong brands of phone can get you escorted from the venue.

That sounds a bit tinfoil-hat, even to my jaundiced ears.

There is one way to find out...

That sounds a bit tinfoil-hat, even to my jaundiced ears.

I does doesn't it ? So I checked, and presumably they won't be escorted from the venue for using a non 02 contracted phone because apparently they won't be able to use them in the first place :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/london-olympics-business/8857497/London-2012-Olympics-chaos-for-mobile-phones.html ]London 2012 Olympics: chaos for mobile phones[/url]

[i]"a combination of an O2 sponsorship deal and signal-blocking technology could spell chaos for mobile phone users at the London Olympics"[/i]

It all seems very outrageous at the moment but I dare say that, given time, it will eventually be accepted as the norm. Like so many other things.

That is worrying.

What else is banned?

This one is interesting

[i][b]Objects or clothing bearing political statements or “overt commercial identification intended for ambush marketing”[/b][/i]

Wonder how they decide if something is political or not?

Wonder how they decide if something is political or not?

Presumably the person doing the security check. Personally I think it's a very necessary decision as it is a sporting event which shouldn't hijacked by people who want to make a political point. And I'm sure there are plenty who would like to use the Olympics to express opposition to British foreign policy - as an example. Unlike the Chinese at the last Olympic Games Britain has very wisely insisted that the Olympic Torch remains in the UK, it would make no sense to allow someone to stroll into the venue with a "British Get Out Of Afghanistan" banner/tee shirt. Although I do know the worry is that people will be refused entry for wearing a "Che" tee shirt. Presumably the staff employed by G4S, if they exist/turn up, will be far too sensible to be guilty of such a thing.

it would make no sense to allow someone to stroll into the venue with a "British Get Out Of Afghanistan" banner/tee shirt.

You're taking the piss, right? Please say you are.

If a T-shirt is offensive, fair enough, ban it on the grounds of decency. But if I have the right to walk around the UK with a 'British Get Out Of Afghanistan' T-shirt - and I have - then why on earth shouldn't I be able to do that at the Olympics?

You're taking the piss, right? Please say you are.

No I'm not taking the the piss - sorry if you are disappointed.

The Olympic Games is an international sporting event. I strongly support the opinion that it should not be used as a vehicle to promote political causes all vying for publicity.

If you want to make a point concerning for example, the withdrawal of British troops from Afghanistan, then you have plenty of platforms where that can be achieved. There is absolutely no need to use the Olympic Games.

I suggest you buy another tee shirt if the only ones you have are political. However inconvenient you might feel that is.

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ive been told you are not allowed to take in 'professional looking' cameras. so leave your dslr at home kids.

If you want to make a point concerning for example, the withdrawal of British troops from Afghanistan, then you have plenty of platforms where that can be achieved. There is absolutely no need to use the Olympic Games.

So you support the view that the state should be able to censor freedom of speech just because it makes Britain look all nice and neat? I'm gobsmacked, I really am.

We don't live in China, so let's not adopt their human rights practices.

I'm gobsmacked, I really am.

A slight overreaction, if I may say. As is your suggestion that the state is censoring freedom of speech through the banning of objects or clothing bearing political statements at the Olympic Games.

You are perfectly entitled to your freedom of speech, just not at an Olympic venue. There's no need to get hysterical and start making comparisons with China. Why would you need to make a partisan political statement at a sporting event ?

ernie_lynch - Member

Why would you need to make a partisan political statement at a sporting event ?

Because there's a lot of people watching?

Why would you need to make a partisan political statement at a sporting event ?

I don't [i]need[/i] to, but I might [i]choose[/i] to. The whole point of a democracy is that we should be allowed to make our point whenever we wish to, peacefully, without restriction by the state.

And when did it become acceptable that democracy is partial - that it's OK to say/do/wear something elsewhere in the UK, just not, God forbid, in front of the cameras in the Olympic stadium?

The comparison with China is entirely valid, and not in the least hysterical - China, the hosts of the last Olympics, was (rightly) criticised for clamping down very hard on any political messaging, particularly around the issue of Tibet, and especially in the stadium. But it's OK for us to do the same, it appears.

In any case, the Olympics as a non-political spectacle? Really? Look back at the actions taken by governments over the years, and tell me the Olympics is in any way politics-free.

And when did it become acceptable that democracy is partial - that it's OK to say/do/wear something elsewhere in the UK, just not, God forbid, in front of the cameras in the Olympic stadium?

The UK hasn't staged the Olympic Games since 1948, during that time people have enjoyed some fairly extensive democratic rights. The Olympic Games are not intrinsically part of the democratic process.

As for when did it become acceptable to ban the use of the Olympic Games as a vehicle to promote partisan political statements, well from the beginning I would reckon. The guys in Lifer's photo were expelled from the 1968 Olympic Games.

And the issue isn't as vague as you suggest, concerning what people wear, it's very specific, eg, "clothing bearing political statements" are not allowed. Most people have a set of clothes which don't bear political statements, they would be the ones to wear at an Olympic event.

If making a political statement is [i]that[/i] important to you, then the obvious solution is that you trot off somewhere else to make it, rather than attend an Olympic event. You are very free to make that choice. The Olympic Games weren't set up to act as your personal soap box you know.

Likewise the wearing of "oversized hats" is very wisely banned from Olympic Games, despite the fact that it is perfectly legal to own an oversized hat in the UK. This does not however signify that we live in a totalitarian fascist state........if always wearing a oversized hat is particularly important to you, then don't attend any Olympic events. It's that simple really.

Its clearly a commercial decision justified by perception of fear.

Exactly the same as at airports. I bet they charge WH Smiths a lot more rent now water sales are up 1000%.

If you were a terrorist and wanted to put a liquid bomb on a plane you would just get on one from any less developed country than our own where they dont give two hoots what you carry on.

I got stopped in Baku a month back where they made me open my bag as i had a 1l bottle of water in it just before i boarded the plane. They said "whats that"?, i said "water", they reply "ok". They didnt even question the other one i had in my hand.

Its a all a big commercial con.