I must say I don't buy the better control in the wet. You might have to learn to control it better in the wet but your fingers are more sensitive that your feet so if you learn how to use your brakes properly then you should be able to brake safely in the wet. even in the wet your front brake should do most of the stopping anyway.
Fixed is good in traffic, it makes you time your run into a junction so that you never quite stop and then you can sprint out of the lights before the cars get going
I do that anyway with brakes and freewheel.
As for the wet locking up wheels thing - I don't do that anyway. If I am applying retarding force with my legs then it's the same as if I am braking but LESS consistent because I can only slow down on the up stroke, and for the same reason there's a dead-spot in pedal power when pedalling at the 6 o'clock position, there's also a dead spot in braking power at the same position. So how can it be smoother than gentle braking?
You can slow down smoothly but not very quickly. If you can't brake that gently without locking your wheels you're absolutely terrible at braking. The engine braking thing on cars is different altogether - that only applies to super steep slippery slopes and it just saves the brakes a bit. Retarding force is just applied a bit more evenly - I am not sure if with modern ABS that'd even be an advantage anyway. The equivalent of that on an MTB would see you riding slowly and carefully down some muddy gully with your arse hanging back over the saddle - are you trying to tell me that's easier on fixed?
I think what you are talking about is an illusion. On the track it takes me a whole lap to slow down from pace - but then, I am going a fair bit faster than a commuter and in a longer gear.
If you like it, do it - no problem with that (doing it without brakes is suicide tho) but don't try and tell us it's technically better or you can stop better or have more control. Just don't believe you!
I'm not talking about "fixie" because that's for Hoxton tmats.
I'm talking about riding fixed wheel, with mudguards, brakes (front and rear) and a proper gear of 66", but then you don't understand as you've never done it 😕
I can only slow down on the up stroke, and for the same reason there's a dead-spot in pedal power when pedalling at the 6 o'clock position, there's also a dead spot in braking power at the same position. So how can it be smoother than gentle braking?
who said it is smoother? it's just that you can't lock a wheel if it's being turned by it's 'engine'and if the surface changes to one with less grip(manhole cover)the wheel would instantly lock if a brake is being applied but keep turning if a fixed wheel.
i'm surprised you have a dead spot, maybe you should work on your souplesse a bit more.
The equivalent of that on an MTB would see you riding slowly and carefully down some muddy gully with your arse hanging back over the saddle - are you trying to tell me that's easier on fixed?
dunno. never ridden fixed MTB never likely too. ridden down the shiny wet ramp to a car park plenty of times on the fixed road bike though and just resist slowly as there's a slippery metal grate at the bottom, i would have to be a lot more careful with a freewheel.
I think what you are talking about is an illusion. On the track it takes me a whole lap to slow down from pace - but then, I am going a fair bit faster than a commuter and in a longer gear.
i'm not dreaming it really happened i was there, have witnesses and everything. takes me a while to slow down on the tack too but then i don't want to stop half way round as my bag is the other side of track-center, i don't have a front brake to do 75% of the braking either.
If you like it, do it - no problem with that (doing it without brakes is suicide tho) but don't try and tell us it's technically better or you can stop better or have more control. Just don't believe you!
who is saying it's technically better? what is 'technically better' anyway?
if you have control over a wheel in both directions is that what you mean by technically better or having more control?
i'm happy for you that you don't have a problem with what other people ride, it's a nice attitude to have.
It is quite difficult to fart riding a fixie
Fartings easy, it's not following through that's difficult 😳
it's just that you can't lock a wheel if it's being turned by it's 'engine'
But you can stop the engine at any time. You're applying retarding force, aren't you - so if the tyre suddenly has less traction force than the retarding force you are applying, then you'll skid - as demonstrated by our friend on the right --->
So you are suggesting keeping turning the wheels to prevent skids - well fine, but the net effect is exactly the same as braking.
i'm surprised you have a dead spot, maybe you should work on your souplesse a bit more.
Everyone has a dead spot. Better pedalling technique lessens it, but it's still there. Brakes on the other hand are constant all the way round unless your rim's dinged or something.
if the surface changes to one with less grip(manhole cover)the wheel would instantly lock if a brake is being applied but keep turning if a fixed wheel.
If you are slamming on the anchors hard, then yes - but the same would happen on a fixie if you could apply that much braking force (which you couldn't I bet). I never have a problem with skidding ever unless it's a) icy or b) very very muddy off road.
i'm not dreaming it really happened i was there, have witnesses and everything
What happened? Were you talking about a specific case?
who is saying it's technically better?
You were saying that you wouldn't ever lock wheels when riding fixed but you would all the time when using brakes...
But you can stop the engine at any time. You're applying retarding force, aren't you - so if the tyre suddenly has less traction force than the retarding force you are applying, then you'll skid - as demonstrated by our friend on the right --->
exactly! but because the wheel is instantly moving again (fixed) it regains traction/grip quicker which means it can continue slowing the bike down. (i'm talking wet roads here)
So you are suggesting keeping turning the wheels to prevent skids - well fine, but the net effect is exactly the same as braking.
Yes! plus less chance of locking up over variable grip surfaces.
You were saying that you wouldn't ever lock wheels when riding fixed but you would all the time when using brakes...
Rubbish. i never said anything of the kind.
What happened? Were you talking about a specific case?
i'm talking about when you said:
"I think what you are talking about is an illusion."
i was telling you that my experiences were very real and were not influenced by drugs, hearsay, or something i read on the internet somewhere.
they may be different from yours but just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them wrong.
Although I've not tried a fixed on road, I can understand what's being said about the braking - sometimes if I'm slowing down and changing down the gears (hence pedalling) I can feel the back wheel lock up and stop it from happening more effectively than if I was just using the brakes and freewheeling.
Because a fixed wheel forces you to pedal all the time you are more aware of what the back wheel is doing.
Also I agree with the suggested 66" gear - ride about that on the road SS, have tried higher but there really isn't much point. A lot of people seem to think spinning is a bad thing, and straining against a daft gear uphill is manly, but training your legs to be able to spin so is part of the reason to ride fixed/ss.
To be excepted on this forum. I think Brant worship is the other option.
with a 700 wheel what gearing is 66"?
Depends upon the tyres you're using. Have a play with http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/
Depends upon the tyres you're using.
Road tyres ...
Do they come in different sies?
66 is a bit spinny but i guess if you have very big hills to climb.
i use 73 which is fine for north downs kent/surrey riding.
but everyones different and being a racing snake I don't have a problem climbing in that gear.
it's not the uphill that's hard work it's maintaining 30mph on the downhills
I've been riding one for two or three weeks now (road bike). It's the biggest laugh I've had for a long time, at the moment I'm enjoying it as much as MTB off road.
I can't put my finger on why, but I'm now looking for longer ways home which I never bothered with on my MTB. It might just be a case of road bikes being better on the road than MTB's, but I do enjoy the fixed aspect of the riding for whatever reason.