the carbon whippet frame is available for £400 but the carbon 29er is £800? What makes the 29er twice the price? Am I missing something obvious?
The 29er price includes a stupidity tax.
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The 29er price includes a [s]stupidity[/s] clown tax.
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Smaller number made and the tooling maybe.?
Demand.
When something is going out of fashion as quickly as 26ers you have so sell your stock off
Seriously, possibly....
Short production runs
Different source
Different design
Stock paid for before recent production cost increases and weaker exchange rates.
stupidity tax 🙂
interesting, double the price seems such a big difference.
its cus 29ers are better innit !
To keep the riff-raff off 29ers
Define 'better'.......
do the on-one carbon frames (especially that hideous 456) come with a complimentary appointment at specsavers?
do the on-one carbon frames (especially that hideous 456) come with a complimentary appointment at specsavers?
harsh! 😆
I think they have had to put a lot more R&D into the 29er.
The Whippet uses their existing scandal geometry and looks quite a conservative design coming in at 1300g.
The 29er was pushing the 1kg barrier so has probably had more optimisation and required a them to develop new geometry which is a lot more expensive to do in carbon than steel which is just cut and welded.
Also add the forecast of lower sales and you easily get to the double price.
That is my thinking anyway.
Or, they totally over did the orders for Whippet and are now having to fart them out to avoid having loads sat around
Wasn't the Whippet discounted due to an issue with some chainrings fouling or something?
The Whippet has always been £400 inc discount as I recall, the rrp of £499 is the typical on-one sales strategy.
Re the chain ring fouling, the whippet frame design was for a double not a triple, however on-one admit to selling complete whippet builds with a triple to keep them at a 'price point'.
I asked them this very question at Dalby. The 29er is a race specific frame and manufactured to be stupidly light. They said something about the construction and materials used make it more expensive.
They are developing the Lurcher at the moment, another carbon 29er, which will be aimed more towards general trail usage and will bring the price down.
yeah I think the lurcher is a bit more robust (ie weighs a bit more) and has swapouts.
They probably used more high modulus carbon in the race version which will cost a bit more.
Just wait and it will probably get cheaper.
Clink - Memberharsh! 😆
But ultimatly fair...
The Whippet looks great in the flesh FWIW
Whippet has *always* been £399 since I've been watching it, not sure about the pre-order amount. I've heard about the triples fouling, which is one of the main reasons I haven't bought as it would mean a new chainset, as well BB, front mech & headset to swap from my other XC bike.
I'm not sold on 29ers, though I would really like to try one out just to see.
I was trying to understand why the 29er version (which I thought it says it is based on the scandal 29ers geo) is double the price. If the lurcher is out soonish, trail orientated and cheaper I reckon most people who want a 29er will go for that....
I really like the whippets graphics - but I think they are a bit marmite. Now one in white / green or white / blue or black / grey would make it even more difficult to resist.
DT78 - if you are on facebook then 'like' their page and paint samples pop up quite often. But mainly in 18".
Have you seen one in the flesh rocketdog? I didn't like the pics and o-o are certainly never gonna win a style award for it but they aren't that bad, starting to grow on me actually, but how well it rides could well be making me biased.do the on-one carbon frames ([b]especially that hideous 456[/b]) come with a complimentary appointment at specsavers?
the carbon whippet frame is available for £400 but the carbon 29er is £800? What makes the 29er twice the price? Am I missing something obvious?
Hi DT78. The Carbon 29er Race is an out and out premium race frame, made from absolutely top end carbon by the world leading factory (who also make frames for the likes of Merckx and De Rosa). To be honest we thought it was expensive too- huge tooling costs, high QC fail rate, very fine tolerances, premium everything… escalated our costs and we had to pass that on… For this reason we came up with the forthcoming Lurcher Carbon 29er frame- using the same design with a slightly lower spec, with a price much closer to the Whippet- this is the frame that most of us will be riding going into the Autumn and beyond.
Thanks for your comment, jon I look forward to seeing the lurcher and the new whippet colour schemes! Will the new whippets be tweaked in anyway to accomodate a triple easier?
Will try to remember how FB works when I'm home this evening......
Have you seen one in the flesh rocketdog?
yep black ones, that hideous skull one and a white one at MM last year
The Carbon 29er Race is an out and out premium race frame, made from absolutely top end carbon
I see, so the Whippet is made from an inferior carbon?
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rOcKeTdOg - Memberdo the on-one carbon frames (especially that hideous 456) come with a complimentary appointment at specsavers?
I like to think of mine as "reassuringly ugly". You just take one look at it and you know not one penny of your £400 was wasted on cosmetics.
Can't you buy the same frames on ebay for some 326 quid?
So they can punt it out in the next on-One Sale at "40% off" or something
I see, so the Whippet is made from an inferior carbon?
Yep, just like the steel on-ones are made from an inferior material to the Ti ones...
I've heard about the triples fouling, which is one of the main reasons I haven't bought as it would mean a new chainset, as well BB, front mech & headset to swap from my other XC bike
I'm thinking of one of these at the moment but I'll go 1 x 9 and take an angle grinder to the chainset so I'll only need a headset and BB with it.