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just fashionable for that de rigeur slacker angle
I don't necessarily agree completely. Sure some people want slack because the mags tell them it's better but some of us just prefer it. To me, it's just preference not wrong/right or better/worse but personal taste.
BTW, I have 36s on my 11 spot. I'd like to try them at 150 just out of curiosity but it's a bit of a faff particularly if I want to go back. The CS you mention was a MAJOR factor for choosing the bike.
Fair point, I'm just sure someone of my abilities wouldn't notice the difference. On CS, here's one of my personal Turner anecdotes; I was looking for a 2nd hand 5 Spot for about a year. I found a beaut in the US, but it had a dink on the downtube near the BB, so I emailed Turner with a photo of the dink and asked them for an opinion. They got their top frame welder to take a look at the photo and said it would be fine. They also sent me some 5.75" rockers for $75, delivered, as they had some "out back". DT+DW=YUMMY. DT also gave me chapter and verse on the development of the Hortst Link when AMP first developed it (hold on - don't shoot me, that's the story I was told!). It would take a lot for me to buy something else now; although, Ventanna, um, nice..(and they did make some early Turners). Now, a good troll; those Scott Genius bikes - if you were going to put a state of the art shock somewhere on a frame, tell me, would you put it there?
Where can you get those offset shock bushes and do they work on the dw link 5 Spot, I have a 2010 model?
What size bushes do I need and does it effect the suspension at all?
£799 on CRC at the moment for a 2010 frame
[url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=49579 ]crc turner[/url]
yeah amazing especially for this price http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=49579 😯
Where can you get those offset shock bushes and do they work on the dw link 5 Spot, I have a 2010 model?
What size bushes do I need and does it effect the suspension at all?
[url= http://dirt.mpora.com/news/slacken-head-angle.html ]OffSet Bushes[/url]This is an article to where to get the offset bushes, they work with 2009/2010 5spots (link c/o Hora, who has a set)
I have to re-iterate the legendary Turner customer service. I've never been happy with the size of my 5spot, i'm a [i]betweener[/i] and went for the med instead of large. Turner are sorting me out with a large front triangle, and a few other bits and bats at VERY reasonable rates as part of their Crash Replacement scheme..[b]Seriously their attitude to delighting the customer is world class[/b]. Oh and yeah I did get Mr Turner aswering the fone too 🙂
Check out those Kona Dawg Supreme Scandium frames on CRC. The geometry looks spot-on, and you will save yourself a few hundred notes too 8)
Burgtec do offset bush kits.
Anyone tried a 5spot with 130mm Magura Laurins? Not sure if they'd be okay on or a wee bit too shot A–C?
i had a 5 spot with 140mm magura thors and thought they were too short and made the handling well sketchy!!
i cant imagine 130mm would be any better?
150mm on mine seem to be spot on 😆 (pardon the pun)
Thanks, you have saved me 800quid 🙂 Very tempting at that price but couldn't afford new forks to compliment the – utterly lovely looking raw – frame.
I can't believe those CRC prices - I'm just wondering if the updated 2012 frame is actually worth double that....It certainly knocks a Transition Bandit out of the park.
Here's a question, I'm 6ft 1in (if I stop slouching) and I love my 17.5in TNT Flux. When I bought that frame the advice was to buy the frame with the right TT length and ignore the ST length. Do you reckon that advice still holds? I only ask because according to the sizing guide I should be on a 19"...but that's got a TT as long as my Five had and that felt like riding a super tanker 😉
Yep, 6ft on a large here (50mm stem). The medium would be too short for you I reckon.
I see the 2011's are holding their price for now 😀
Thanks wrecker - I might have to get the tape measure out later on the Flux and see how the two compare then!
I've had a 2011 as a crash replacement since september - Not very long, and I can only compare it to my old 2005HL. IMO it is a better all-round bike, despite being slacker, shorter in the TT and possibly a lower BB.
I was worried about the slack HA in particular, since I'm just a trail hacker and don't really need raked out forks, but, I've not actually noticed a difference in handling speed. Oddly, despite being shorter in the TT - mostly due to a steeper seat angle I think - It climbs just as well/better than the HL, mostly due to the DW sitting up in its travel as the rearward weight bias increases.
The DW also makes it a perkier ride. On the inital powerstroke of the HL, it would squat and then roll forwards, giving it that classic FS mush and subsequent magic carpet ride. The DW feels slightly less smooth in comparison, but is a whole load more responsive and taut theres no real mush to speak of. It makes the 2011 more fun to ride on pumpy, rollery, pedally type trails, where instant pedal input is appreciated.
Its still unmistakably a 5spot, but better. Whats not to like?
I've owned both the large 2010 and 2011. Merlin are offering 2011s relatively 'cheap' now. I would honestly recommend buying a 2011 if its large you need. The 2010 large is gawky, tall and abit of confidence-shaker IMO. 2011 is subtly different in the crucial areas that add upto a different, more stable ride.
The offset bushes and works component headset only work to a degree. Literally 1 degree which isn't enough.
The headtube is way too long and the frame too tall. You sit on rather than 'in'.
Plus the 2011 has a 44mm headtube -this gives you more options, plus you can run a Hope integral/zero (almost) stack headset which drops the front by 20mm+ over the 2010 large.
I was relieved when my 2010 was replaced under warranty as none of my mods seemed to make any noticeble difference.
A medium 2010 however has a shorter headtube that means a 1.5-2.0degree works component headset can be used. Plus the 0.5 degree bushing.
I would not recommend using both bushing offsets in the shock as its too close a call interms of clearance (seat tube meeting seat stay/rear triangle contact on full compression.
Install the offset bushing in just the bottom shock mount and monitor if you blow off(!) The travel marker off the shock shaft. If you do you will need more air/psi in the shock but also running less sag equals counter-productive to what you were trying to achieve in the first place (if that makes sense?)
Spend abit more and enjoy the 2011 or 2012 IMO.
"Plus the 2011 has a 44mm headtube -this gives you more options, plus you can run a Hope integral/zero (almost) stack headset which drops the front by 20mm+ over the 2010 large."
Hora doesnt lowering the front of the frame steepen the head angle? 😕
Hora did you ride the 2011 frame?
Iv ridden a few Turners.
05 horst link spot
09 DW link spot Head angle 69 degrees
2011 DW link spot head angle 67.7 degrees (thats 1.3 degrees slacker)
The 2009 frames on CRC are bargain of the century! The shock is worth about £300 new!
There is a bit of difference on the head angle, not much, its not huge. The 2 bikes built up side by side (2009 &2011) you could see the newer bike has a slacker head angle. Im not sure if I can feel much difference.
Never had a problem with the way the old bike rode. Suspension feels very nice i like to run it soft its got loads of traction for climbing. Seldom use the propedal.
Did an uplift day at Fort Will DH track never thought OMG my head angle is way to steep. Dont find the frame high at front, still have 25mm of spacers under the stem.
Never felt the urge or need to mess with off set headsets or shock bushes.
I figure the guys at Turner know a great deal more about bike design than me. Thats why they build em and i ride em. Keep it simple! 🙂
But Hora had one for ten minutes, tried everything, read everything and still proclaimed that the geometry that few seemed to notice and furthermore, went unchanged for two years, was pretty much unrideable.
I honestly think some people just look at the numbers because they're easier to quantify over everything else and then convince themselves of an issue.
You say you've ridden a DH track? I've also ridden many a named trail. Doesn't mean I've actually done them justice. Do you have trailbadges that you show off on internet forums when arguing a point? 😆 Why have they revised their geometry after 2yrs? You tweak a setup/evolve a setup to perfect it. I see Turner worked on the 5spot to improve it. Otherwise why did he change it...2011 and 2012?
So yes indeed Turner knows better. Or do you think he was bored and tinkered as its just numbers and he convinced himself there was an issue? 😆
Originally the Flux build kits were sold with 100mm forks.
Since then an mtbr forum member built up his flux with 120mm forks as an "all-mountain" flux - and I think Dave Turner had a go and liked it.
Now Flux builds are commonly 120mm forks and the Turner Flux build kits are 120mm.
This obviously steps on the toes of the steeper 5-spot so it is probably that, plus the fact that slacker is more in fashion, that caused the newer 5spots to be slacker.
Don't ever remember seeing anyone other than Hora complain that the older 5spot was too steep, and there seem to be some pretty decent riders on the mtbr turner forum, some with plenty of Turners in their arsenal.
I think a trip to see Jedi is in order...
Don't ever remember seeing anyone other than Hora complain that the older 5spot was too steep, and there seem to be some pretty decent riders on the mtbr turner forum, some with plenty of Turners in their arsenal.
There probably are some good riders on mtbr. However I've no idea how you can tell unless they display their trailmedal badges 😉
Or maybe they just own a bike long enough to have a valid opinion...
How long does it take you to figure out a frames strengths and weaknesses? 😕
Nobody on here values your opinion, that's just scientific fact.
You will agree I'm sure
BTW the Spot was really designed around a 140 fork but tubby trail warriors like yourself kept on slapping big gnar forks on (for the car park - gear off) Which is why he had to tweak it to stop the middle aged trail warriors from whining.
Nobody on here values your opinion
Years ago STW used to be a funny place. Now its attracted the type who are angry and cliquey. People who sit behind their pc's following and posting vitreous messages.
Tubby? Why the personal attack fella?
I agree it was great years ago, until certain people turned up...
BTW the Spot was really designed around a 140 fork but tubby trail warriors like yourself kept on slapping big gnar forks on (for the car park - gear off) Which is why he had to tweak it to stop the middle aged trail warriors from whining.
Ummmmm, I thought that you had Lyrics on your spot?
Nowt wrong with that, I have 36's on mine but I'm afraid I'm not
😀tubby
Lets be honest, there are an element who follow and post against others. A sort of online forum stalking. I've noticed by and large its the same characters. Wierd, really wierd. As apart from the odd poster I don't tend to notice whose who.
If I don't agree with someones opinion (say Junkyard or TJ who have strong opinions which may not be the same as my own but all folk are different) I don't post. Both good blokes (Junkyard met, TJ not yet).
Its also a real shame that SFB left STW. I've never targeted anyone. TBH I don't think I've got the level of concentration needed. 😆
There are a few on here though that follow and post. Its systematic of someone who is bitter, angry and a wee bit lonely in their life.
I hate to say it but hasn't Turner merely followed fashion with slacker angles, not necessarily because its better but because the market and the press say it is? Keith B used to post on rec.bikes back in the day and he always hated riser bars, as a bent bar compromises strength when a flat bar and the correct rise stem would give the same position. He eventually gave in to market forces and started selling riser bars and was pretty open about why.
Possibly my cynicism but when "sorted" bikes like the 5spot or Orange 5 get development tweaks I'm always dubious about the benefits, especially when they happen to follow trends.
I'd have one of those cheap 2010s tomorrow if I hadn't just paid twice that for car repairs 🙄 😯
No need for personal snipes, but Hora you do sound very sensitive/demanding to what you expect from a frame or fork whether they're genuine or psychological traits you find fault with. I've tended to like most of the frames I've had so possibly I'm just an insensitive lump, or my riding adapts to suit without me realising it.
However I've no idea how you can tell unless they display their trailmedal badges
For one thing, some of them post videos of their rides
As I said - the 2010 spot was a bit close to 120mm Flux so they have widened the gap.
i had a 2009 5 spot for about 2 weeks so not sure if my opinion counts or not.
ive got a set of steps that i set my suspension up on for every bike ive owned in the last 6 months (which is about 6 :mrgreen:)
the first time i sent the turner down the steps i ended up over the bars, this was with the cockpit set up the same as the previous bike which was a 2010 stump 140mm travel.
the turner felt nervous and a bit snappy at the front to me with the 140mm forks on the front and also was a lot shorter in the top tube than the stumpy too.
i see turner have slackend the head angle off a bit on the later model frame which could help i guess but i didnt really get on with the way it felt.
now riding a 2011 pitch which feels awesome in comparison.
just my 2p worth.
i also agree with hora about the way the forum is going.
when i first joined back inthe day before the new forum and i had a completely different username this forum was a place to come and get help/ info from like minded bikers.
now it just seems to be a piss taking contest and a chance for key board warriors to have a go at certain folk.
so what if hora changes his bike all the time, thats up to him isnt it??
peace everyone, lets just get out and ride !!!!!!!
Got a 2010 5 Spot and very happy with it. It's set up with 140mm Pikes. Brilliant trail bike for anything rocky in the Peaks and Lake District or trail centres like Gisburn or Llandegla. I'd like to try it with 160mm forks sometime, but I don't get all the obsession with headtube angles myself.
Took my 2010 XL 5-Spot (with 140 32's) out for it's first ride on Saturday. All I can say is that it was ace. Pro-pedal off and could not feel any bob at all. Probably running the shock a little bit soft, but it seemed to work for me. Tracked perfectly up the hills and through the mud and didn't at any stage feel as though I was going to be pitched over the bars coming down hill.
Only the first ride mind - I was worried that I wasn't going to like it - so need to ride it more and in different environments to see what it can do, but as they say, first impressions count, and mine were fantastic!
I was quite cautious about posting on this thread for fear of it all becoming personal, but as a Turner rider I thought my comments may be useful to the OP.
I don’t have trail badges or claim to be a great rider.
I just enjoy riding bikes. I mentioned the fort William track as a reference point that more people may be able to gauge rather than something local to me.
I bought the Turner as a 140mm travel bike as that’s what I thought suited my requirements. I don’t think I need 160mm of travel or the associated extra weight.
I also think running the bike as it was designed is a good idea. I respect the guys that designed it. I assume they tried a lot of options to get from prototype to the market place. I also realize that like everything changing tastes, fashion and development drives the bike industry.
Hora please don’t take my opinions as aggression towards you, I Was merely trying to give the alternative view that the 2009 frame was actually rather good and the 2011 doesn’t feel that different (to me anyway).
I always find when tweaking set up its best to try things back to back. If you buy a new part hoping it will make the bike feel better, there’s a good chance you will convince yourself it is better.
Why not come up to the lakes and we can go for a Turner group ride?
Not sure if there will be badges available though?
😆
I agree with Hora's assessment of the 2009 / 2010 frames in Large. I had one and liked it, but never fell in love with it like I did my old HL medium. I ended up selling it for a Medium Mojo HD.
My mate, on the other hand, has a Medium 09 and fitted one of the Angleset rip-off headsets from the guy in Israel along with a CCDB and it's totally transformed the bike.
PS Also worth noting that based on his posts on MTBR, Dave Turner isn't beyond tinkering with frame geometry based on what riders demand rather than what he personally feels is best!
Northcountryboy, no offence taken. I just wanted to shake the tree alittle as I didnt/dont want anyone to buy into a frame that's not potentially for them.
Its quite a distinctive ride zippy ride isn't it with a sharp techy feel. I admit I struggled with it. I'm more used to the blur4x and I was out of my comfort zone as that was more a lower longer-feel. I admit I'm more of a nervous rider who will have a go at most trails so out of my zone I feel abit 'lost'.
BTW I ran my 115mm blur4x with 140 Fox 36 floats (internally set). No 160 carpark warrior forks on mine 😉 🙂
All this guff about the head angle and no talk about how brilliant the rear suspension is! Its so good it pushes you to go at things hard and harder. In my humble opinion the 5 spot needs a bigger fork just to keep up with the rear, I have a Fox 32 140 and it is well under forked for my riding. I 150 Rev at least is needed!
Yep! Next time you freewheel through a techy bit sit down and you'll feel the traction/lack of kickback etc!
70 degree HA and 100mm forks is where it's at...