[Closed] Trail dogs....NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

The abuse directed at those who dare to suggest that there is a problem with dog ownership in the UK just makes it pointless to complain.

It would appear that owners themselves are unwilling or unable to acknowledge the issue.

So we get an increase, year on year, in hospital admissions, epecially amongst children.
Lots of places are 'no go' areas with kids these days, due to fouling.

Responsibility is unfashionable and easily dodged.

Would any dog owner like to come up with something that doesn't boil down to 'I'm a great dog owner so I don't care'?

Mmm what about the really big dogs with the owners that sit on their backs then?

dont see them picking up 🙂

(I don't mind em really 🙂

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[i]Would any dog owner like to come up with something that doesn't boil down to 'I'm a great dog owner so I don't care'?[/i]

I don't think there is something other than "I don't care". Responsible dog owners realise that in public the place for dogs is at the end of a lead, every other dog owner just hasn't got that yet.

Maybe the demographic on here is not the same one that has dogs who kill children?

Maybe the owners who like to take their dogs riding with them and subsequently select suitable breeds and then have to train them better so they can both enjoy the experience and therefore there is a bias towards better behaved dogs/owners.

Alternatively this is the internet and we can say portray ourselves however we like without worrying about being caught out so maybe we all let our Cerberus clones leave ostrich sized dog eggs on blind corners just for our own bitter amusement.

On that basis maybe we are actually not mountain bike enthusiast at all and are really a bunch of perverts trying to groom middle aged men with a penchant for wearing Lycra tights...

The abuse directed at those who dare to suggest that there is a problem with dog ownership in the UK just makes it pointless to complain.

It would appear that owners themselves are unwilling or unable to acknowledge the issue.

So we get an increase, year on year, in hospital admissions, epecially amongst children.
Lots of places are 'no go' areas with kids these days, due to fouling.

Responsibility is unfashionable and easily dodged.

Would any dog owner like to come up with something that doesn't boil down to 'I'm a great dog owner so I don't care'?

equally, substitute 'parent' for 'dog owner'.

The number of parents who feel it's reasonable for their child to wonder up to my dog as though it's some sort of educational toy without even speaking to me beggars belief. a couple of of weeks ago, in the bar of the local, i looked up to see a toddler approaching my dog, which was on the lead attached to my chair, with some moon-faced tw4t looking around the door frame, obviously oblivious to the concept that either I or my dog may not relish the prospect of the interaction.

so, yes, here we are again, some people are dicks.

@Rusty Spanner...

Don't disagree with you but I think its not just dogs its
a whole culture of 'selfishness'.

When riding I pick my shit up/my dogs shit up and anyones elses shit up as I like ridin trails not garbage tips and dog turds arent much fun.

All children should grow up with dogs, there should be one in every family, they've got so much love to give its incredible. You will not meet a more selfless animal, people who dislike them are cold, abnormal freaks.

The poster who likened dog crap in the countryside to him curling one out?!....crack on, whatever floats your boat.
It's the woods and I expect (unfortunately) to come across horse poo, fox poo, bird poo, cow pats, dog crap and if somebody gets caught short then maybe (but not likely) a human turd....stick to places like Swinley if you want to avoid Mother Nature and the less pleasant aspects of having animals in society.

More STW hysteria about non problems.

Re. the part about unsupervised children. Spot on, the amount of idiots that just let their offspring approach dogs and start pulling them around is astounding.
Ban children from public places, horrible germ riddled, cry baby things that they are.

^^^ poor troll.

What about on trails that I build from scratch whilst having the dog out with me, which are then ragged the sh1t out of (pun intended) by Strava whores during winter ? Can I let him sh1t on those trails? Its my trail after all.

What about when my dog finds a new trail as he sniffs the deer scent going through some bushes, which after a while are then ragged the sh1t out of (pun intended) by Strava whores during winter ? Can I let him sh1t on those trials? Its his trail after all.

(I dont let him sh1t on the trail btw, I make him do it inside an innertube which I then throw into a tree.)

Some of the comments on this thread are really pretty ignnorant but irresponsible owners are letting the side down a fair bit.

It's pretty clear from the amount of dog mess left in parks, paths and trails that it isn't a few irresponsible owners, it's most of them.

i looked up to see a toddler approaching my dog, which was on the lead attached to my chair, with some moon-faced tw4t looking around the door frame, obviously oblivious to the concept that either I or my dog may not relish the prospect of the interaction.

perhaps I should start curling hefty logs out in the middle of the trail, "because thats what I do"?

Made me giggle loud enough to alert the whole office that I'm not actually working!

I think the issue people have with dogs is with some dog owners being selfish towards others on the trail. The same goes for some walkers and some cyclists. In public woods where anyone is allowed it is down to the individual to respect others whether thats picking up dog poo or slowing down to pass walkers etc.

At trail centers its still a grey area. I do however respect the guy above who takes his dog before most people get there and picks up the poo.

I just thank the good lord that most of the people on this thread don't exist in the real world. 😆

bearGrease, the dog has a brain/personality and can have off days like any person, throw into the mix a dog's limited intellect and unsolicited 'petting' could be met with a bite....people don't stop to think that the dog might be tired, unwell, sore, previous bad experience with kids etc....they just assume the cute furry creature is fair game to approach and do to it as they please.
Assuming I had the dog on a lead and a child started interacting with it out of my vision or behind me then yes the child (or more specifically) it's parents would be at fault....who lets their children behave like this?...where are the boundaries?...don't parents teach their children to ask permission before touching something?

When kids approach my dogs I tell them they bite....stops them dead and the look on the parents face is priceless.

It's pretty clear from the amount of dog mess left in parks, paths and trails that it isn't a few irresponsible owners, it's most of them.

If the amount of crap my two dogs require me to clean up after them is anything to go by then its not as many dog owners as you might think.

There are 8.5 million dogs in the UK if each has 2 craps a day (mine must have about 20 so this feels like an under estimate) that's 17 million poos per day and according to something I just read on the web (there fore must be true) it takes a year to decompose that means that if most owners (i.e. more than half) leave the poo out and about then we are talking at least 316 billion poos in varying states of decomposition on the ground at any one time.

If it really was most dog owners who left their dogs mess lying about then there would be a hell of a lot more about than there is.

[i]Assuming I had the dog on a lead and a child started interacting with it out of my vision or behind me then yes the child (or more specifically) it's parents would be at fault.[/i]

You don't really think that, do you?

So, let me get this straight - dog are more important than kids - have I got that correct?

I don't take my dog to trail centres because I am not brave enough to deal with anyone off here in the real world.

It's quite simple, I'm at the bar, the pub has a sign saying dogs allowed. My dog is on a lead and sat next to me, to all intents and purposes 'under control'....a child comes up from behind both me and the dog and starts touching my dog, dog is startled and snaps at the child.

I've done all that I consider reasonable in that situation.
Where are the parents?....who is supervising the child?

It works both ways.

nickc - Member

Would any dog owner like to come up with something that doesn't boil down to 'I'm a great dog owner so I don't care'?

I don't think there is something other than "I don't care". Responsible dog owners realise that in public the place for dogs is at the end of a lead, every other dog owner just hasn't got that yet.

I am struggling not to write something personal about you here as your opinion astounds me, but hey you are entitled to think it, just like Hitler was entitled to his views on race.

Seriously seems like some people would rather we just send all dogs to a gas chamber.

I am a dog owner, I know I am in no way perfect and neither is my dog.

I understand the presence of my dog may disturb some people.

I understand my dog, IFF allowed to do so, may disturb some people.

I try my hardest to minimise this, to the point of affecting my own enjoyment.

Other than putting a gun to my dogs head I cannot do any more. A dog needs exercise. I will exercise is as responsibly as I can. It will wee on the ground, I cannot pick that up (despite what some walkers seem to think!!!!), it will poo and I will pick it up.

My dog is well trained, she doesnt bother people or other dogs and will normally ask for permission before chasing anything but neither of us are perfect.

I hope that by doing our bit and cleaning up other peoples rubbish we are helping in some way and making where we walk a nicer place. I can't remember the last time I saw ANYONE else do likewise. Unfortunately I cannot control other peoples dogs, believe me I wish I could most days a lot more so than most people who don't have a dog with them as my dog doesn't like getting pestered any more than you do.

Some peoples dogs annoy me

Some people annoy me

Some peoples children annoy me

Some peoples do things (eg driving) that put my life in danger

I have no doubt I annoy other people

etc etc etc it is called life. If you are that afraid/upset by things then lock yourself up in your house and don't go outside.

I resent being given a label or told what to do by dog haters because they think they have some right to do so and refuse to think otherwise. I will try and see things from your viewpoint and try and understand why you feel the way you do but you just seem to be ignorant and have no desire to see any other viewpoint than your own. Spend less time worrying about other people (and their dogs) and get on with your own sorry little life.

And for some dog owners: if you can't handle your dog then don't have one. If you are not going to train it properly then don't have one. If you are not going to clean up after it then don't have one. And if you are not going to give it a decent life then don't have one.

No doubt someone will take great offence to something I have written and pick up on one little thing, or one big thing, and reply telling my dog should be locked or never walked in public or something else or I should be doing this, or that. You now what, I don't care any more. (wait for the "typical dog owner, doesnt care about anyone else....")

I'll bite - in that case your dog needs to be destroyed as it's dangerous.

So if your dog had bitten the child it would have been the child's fault or the "moon-faced tw4t" but not yours as owner of the dog?

when I spotted the child on it's approach, I restrained the dog [i]further[/i], and asked 'who's child is this?', and on getting a response, i asked that it be removed [i]from the public bar[/i]

I don't believe I was behaving irresponsibly or unreasonably? what further action should I have taken? apart from, obviously, not leaving the house with the dog in the first place? 🙄

Or is it your responsibility to consider the above situation might happen and take necessary steps to make sure the annoying child doesn't get bitten, a muzzle perhaps?

In 35 years of dog ownership I've never known one that would choose to shit on a path or trail. The last 3 I've had like to back up to bushes or trees well off the beaten track. I'm happy to let them and leave it there. Apart from the one time one mistook a park bench for a tree. I had to pick that up natch. It's kind of not busy here either as I ride in woods where the few dog walkers outnumber any other users by far. Very few dog egg incidents so far but there is never a good time for one. I took the lurcher of ultimate fitness for a quick 30kms round a trail centre the other day. We never saw any one else out on bikes. He did 2 poos both in places I'd get lacerated trying to pick them up. Is it ok to leave them there? I just wonder whether I should maybe make more of an effort so I can fill landfill sites with a non biodegradable bags full of cack and air instead of letting 2 weeks worth of weather, insects and bacteria get rid.
I think I might start collecting bags of shite and depositing them on trail centre paths though if it gets rid of the tosspot mountain bikers who think that they have a right to an uninterrupted hi speed blast to the bottom of a trail as recompense for having to slog to the top.

I'll bite

when I spotted the child on it's approach, I restrained the dog further, and asked 'who's child is this?', and on getting a response, i asked that it be removed from the public bar

But children are allowed in bars at certain times of the day...

Dog license is a no go so what about a tax on dog food?

But children are allowed in bars at certain times of the day...

really?

anyway, dog was still on the lead and under control.

So you would be happy for your dog to bite a child?

do you have to wear a beany hat if you take your dog to a trail?

when I spotted the child on it's approach, I restrained the dog further, and asked 'who's child is this?', and on getting a response, i asked that it be removed from the public bar

Too right. Also, if women were banned from the public bar, we wouldn't have these brats littering up the place, drinking shandy.

Loving the 'keep your dog under control' sentiment on here but seemingly children can do no wrong, apparently they can just wander about unsupervised touching whatever they like and it's someone else's fault if things go tits up!....um, parents!?

Some people shouldn't be allowed children let alone animals!

I agree some kids on trails running around are a problem when the parents are nowhere to be seen.

Basically its down to the parents/dog owners/bike owners to respect each other and have common sense. Personally I have more issues with walkers on wide paths insisting on walking 4 or 5 in line across the path and not budging until I stop even though theres plenty of room for me to pass.

There are many places with signs that suggest you find a stick and flick?
Llandegla being one such place and quite a number of FC car parks have signs.
I suppose it saves filling landfill with plastic bags.

deviant - Member
Loving the 'keep your dog under control' sentiment on here but seemingly children can do no wrong

children shouldn't be let loose to walk on trails either lol

so what happens if your kid needs a shit in the woods?

do you bag it?

children can do no wrong, apparently they can just wander about unsupervised touching whatever they like and it's someone else's fault if things go tits up!....um, parents!?

EDIT - Parenting's not easy, but it's good community sense to be tolerant and encouraging of the next generation, who will be keeping the world spinning once we're trundling around looking to enjoy our retirement.

Reading stuff on here recently makes me feel good, as I seem to be getting more tolerant, while others can't stand it when folk don't agree with them.

Take Whinlatter - whine about paying to park while they go for their PR run down a man made descent (for nowt) but woe betide any child or beast interrupts them. Oh and parking on the road side on the bend down from the visitor centre causes a traffic hazard - but hey, that's your choice.

Let's plant privet hedges along all trails to keep them to ourselves.

So you would be happy for your dog to bite a child?

The last 3 I've had like to back up to bushes or trees well off the beaten track. I'm happy to let them and leave it there

don't stray from the path then,,,,, 😉

don't worry about the habitat degradation and the disturbance of local wildlife

What happens if a dog, a child, and a walker frighten my bike thats not under much control under me and the bike hits all 3?

I get the feeling the persons complaining about dogs as unexpected hazards are the sort who try to sue if they have a tumble if trail maintenance is not up to scratch. I get the concern with dogs at trail centres but the bloody dogs were running around woodlands way before all the city dwellers and golfers decided they want to ride their bikes in the woods. Cannocks follow the dog would not even exist if it wasnt for a dog

back under your bridge.

It's easy to call troll. However, in the discussion above the poster seems to think that it's the childs fault if they get bitten. Surely, a dog that is well trained and under control wouldn't bite a child who snuck up on it. And if it did then it wouldn't be under control or safe.... Seems logical to me.

Lot of anger.