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how do you know a bike is gonna have toe over lap?
always had a tourer, started on a galaxy in the 8o's, no overlap. changed to a 1st edition surly trucker when they came out, no overlap.
in the last 2 years I have bought and sold 2 x touring bikes, because they both suffered from toe overlap, even in a 62cm frame size.
1 was a genesis tour de fer and a jamis aurora. both very nice touring bikes, but terrible to ride.
so how to find out before buying?
The only time overlap seems to matter is during very slow speed cornering..
Have you ever fallen off due to overlap? Or just caught the end of your foot and had a bit of a wobble...
Maybe demo a bike before buying one if its an issue for you..
my wife has had 2 genisis and both suffer toe overlap.
I have a kona and dont suffer toe overlap.
id always put it down to her having a much smaller frame as was the case in the old days with road bikes.
interesting that even a 62 genisis has overlap. - annoying.
doesnt affect how it rides for her its just annoying.
I don't even get toe overlap on my current track frame but as cloudnine says why does it really matter? More of an issue on a track bike as can't stop pedalling but in 20 years of riding fixed gear track bikes it has never caused an issue.
A 62cm touring bike must have some strange geometry if toe overlap is an issue though.
interesting that even a 62 genisis has overlap. – annoying.
very annoying. might seem like a non issue until it becomes the norm.
also we venture offroad on steadier b/w's and it is a pain.
I have a xl ecr which don't suffer from it. fancied a new road only tourer, so a disc trucker looks like it may be the solution.
I'm in two minds about it.
From one point of view it rarely causes a problem so why get excited, however it can at low speed cause a fall, and I can see off road it would become a nuisance if not a significant problem.
I've got a fairly large (58cm) Cube trekking frame to replace a failed frame of another brand on my commuter, and now get no toe overlap running 700x35 and mudguards. It's nice, and the consequent slightly more barge like handling doesn't really impact my ability to ride to work, the pub, or the shops (or indeed to go for a bit of rough stuff occasionally). It might however limit the possibility for the manufacturer to claim that their "gravel bike" rides "just like a road [racer] bike".
A 62cm touring bike must have some strange geometry if toe overlap is an issue though.
Well, there are a lot of factors in toe overlap, and…
a disc trucker looks like it may be the solution.
…as you may know, I have a 62cm Trucker. Which can, sort of, have overlap.
My guards are set up for 2" 700c tyres, so they're as far from the axle as you'd ever have them on a Trucker. My cranks are 175mm and my shoes are size 47, though I can't recall how far forward/back my cleats are set in them. But I can just about clip the guards with at least some of my shoes. (Or maybe it's just with flat pedals rather than cleats…? To be honest I'm not sure of the exact circumstances.) It's really rare, hence me not being sure when it happens, but the point is that even with a big frame if you push all the factors then you're still going to risk catching something sometimes.
It would be a bit odd to have overlap with the actual wheel on a 62cm tourer though, granted.
Current XL Tour de Fer has 435mm reach, 55mm fork offset and a 71 HTA, Surly ECR XL has 433mm reach, 70 HTA and 43mm fork offset. If those numbers are right ECR looks to be about the same front-centre. The Wheelbase is 4mm shorter than the T de F, as is the chainstay.
Different pedal set up or wider Q-factor crank on the Surly than the Genesis?
Different pedal set up or wider Q-factor crank on the Surly than the Genesis?
surly OD crankset on ecr with 22/32 rings.
shimano tiagra triple on the genesis with 30/40/50 rings iirc
I had a problem with toe overlap with a Condor Fratello, which I eventually sold. No problems with my Cannondale CAADX, Pinarello Stelvio, or my fixie (an old Charlton frame). All size 58cm frames (size 46 shoes). A slight toe overlap where you slightly clip a mudguard I don't have a problem with, but the Condor had a large toe overlap with 23mm tyres and no mudguard. Nearly put me over the bars on occasion. Measure the distance from centre of bottom bracket to centre of front dropouts (front centre measurement?) to check for clearance.
You can fit pedals with toe clips to any bike and see right away whether overlap is an issue, though your feet may be further forward according to your cleat set-up.