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[Closed] Ti456 conversion to a 96er - would it / could it work?

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Thwarted in my efforts to get a 29er, I'm thinking about attempting to convert my Ti456 into a 96er but have no idea whether it'd work or ride properly.

So, apart from bashing a 29er fork & front wheel on, what other considerations are there? Any specifics for the fork, like loads of trail or none? Would the wheel catch the pedals?


 
Posted : 21/03/2009 7:50 pm
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rigid right?

think the standard advice is to run a 26er fork; you'll have enough clearance on a rigid.

i tried it on my inbred and it suffered from chopper flop


 
Posted : 21/03/2009 7:55 pm
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Didn't Brant send Dirt magazine a steel 456 test bike fitted with a 29" fork and front wheel ?
IIRC they liked the way it rode.
So you're idea might just work.


 
Posted : 21/03/2009 7:57 pm
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Hve a read of [url= http://www.on-one-shop.co.uk/?p=753 ]this.[/url]


 
Posted : 21/03/2009 8:00 pm
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Thanks for that, Simon - might just work! I can try it out with the RC31s I've got anyway - just need a wheel now.


 
Posted : 21/03/2009 8:50 pm
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With rigid = ok
With FS = badtimes.


 
Posted : 22/03/2009 3:59 pm
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ok, so whats the difference between 96er and 69er? I was very confused with the article in last month's mag because they all had big wheel front, small wheel back. That is what i'd call a 69er, a 96er being big wheel back, small wheel front...

am I wrong?


 
Posted : 22/03/2009 5:03 pm
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I think they're the same thing - big at front, small at back.

Thanks Brant - this is about making it my winter bike, so rigids it is. Best with 26er rigids or 29er rigids?


 
Posted : 22/03/2009 7:21 pm
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Farticus - bit at the bottom of this tells you how to get the right A-C in a rigid fork

http://www.dirtrag.com/print/article.php?ID=860&category=stuff_reviews

3x fork lengths available here
http://discobrakes.com/?s=0&t=4&c=43&

or if you find it will work the O-O 26" rigid fork is a great bit of kit.


 
Posted : 22/03/2009 7:25 pm
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Thanks for that, Stoner. Interesting.

So, it seems that running my Pace RC31s (440mm) with a 29er front wheel should work.

What I don't understand is all the geometry stuff that says it wouldn't work with a shorter travel 29er suspension fork. Being a simple soul, let's say I measure the ground to fork race height & axle - race length using my Pikes at 125mm, and assume 30mm sag. If I can sort things out such that a 29er set up has the same (sagged) ground-to-race height why won't that work?

I've tried MTBR but you have to know the answer to your question to work out who's talking sense & who isn't. Clearly Brant knows something & has given me the answer, but now I want to understand why it won't work.


 
Posted : 23/03/2009 12:46 pm
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If I can sort things out such that a 29er set up has the same (sagged) ground-to-race height why won't that work?

it would be fine but i doubt youll get that to work as the a-c (axle to crown length) of the pike is around 525mm?, the reba 29er is 515mm? so take into account the extra 30-40mm of height casued by the bigger 29er wheel and the 10-20mm of extra sag on the pike and your front end would be around 30-40mm higher leading to a fairly slack head angle all the time. (those are rough figures btw, i dont know the exact figures)


 
Posted : 23/03/2009 1:06 pm
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the new rebas are much lower A-C 486mm @ 80mm and 506mm @ 100mm before sag.


 
Posted : 23/03/2009 1:13 pm
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Let's assume ~30mm difference in tyre radius. That means I'd want ~30mm less fork length (post sag). Pikes are ~520mm (full lenght, so need to measure mine when I get chance), so Rebas at 80mm would be about the same length pre-sag. Post sag (40mm on Pikes @140mm, 20 - 25mm on Rebas @ 80mm) probably leaves the Rebas 15 - 20mm taller than the Pikes.

Doesn't sound too promising now. Maybe Minutes at 80mm are a bit shorter?


 
Posted : 23/03/2009 2:25 pm