[Closed] The price of being a cheating, bullying liar? $10,000,000 (so far)

Poor chap.

Boss of that company (Bob Hamman) is a world class bridge player - the Merckx of the card table. Playing a long game there - bet he knew he'd be seeing that money back the day he paid it out.

I seem to remember reading he was worth 100 million...that's like me having to give up £2oo 🙂

Oh dear. Can he bully his way out of this one?

For gods sake give the guy a break, will the media not be happy until he's killed himself
He's cheated at sport, not comitted mass murder

Cheated, lied, careers shortened, mislead, fraudulent, bullied men and women and now a drink driver.

No not a mass murderer. Just a nasty piece of work that profitted and still kept himself in the media due to his ego.

If he 'killed himself'. Whose fault is that?

What about all the other pro cyclists who cheated and took drugs at the same time
Give the guy a break, have yiu never done something yiu regretted

If he'd show an ounce of regret I may have some sympathy for him.

It's his lack of regret, the hardship he caused others through bullying and ability, to have seemed to be reverting again to denial, which is why I couldn't care less what happens to him from a financial or sport point of view.

I've not lied, threatened, bullied and taken false legal action against people who questioned if he was clean.

I'd have given him a break if he worked with the authorities and paid back all the money.

NOT having to be taken to court. Even now.

Now everything is catching up with him.

The others? What about those who never made great money due to the cheats. The female pro rider who made 50k in her best year whilst her doping competitor pulled in 250k and now makes money on the back of her confession.

He called Emma O'Reilly a whore and tried to stop her getting work through slander.
No sympathy

easygirl - Member
What about all the other pro cyclists who cheated and took drugs at the same time
Give the guy a break, have yiu never done something yiu regretted

As others have said my utter contempt for him is based on his treatment of those who stood up to him.

He's firmly the author of his own destruction

I'll echo what easygirls says, many more blatant and prolific cheats have been welcomed back to sport with welcome arms. Time to move on

I'll echo what easygirls says, many more blatant and prolific cheats have been welcomed back to sport with welcome arms.

I am struggling to name any, so do tell.

I seem to remember reading he was worth 100 million...that's like me having to give up £2oo

His modern art collection was valued at over 100 million a few years back.

Going to agree with easygirl here. Bullying lol? That's part and parcel of the psychological warfare that goes on in all sports at the top level.

His modern art collection was valued at over 100 million a few years back

Bullying lol? That's part and parcel of the psychological warfare that goes on in all sports at the top level.

so, it's OK to spread rumours that a girl is a prostitute? It's OK to tell newspapers to sack journos, or face massive law suits?

I suggest if you don't know the background you do a bit of reading

Lance shows all the classic signs of a psychopathic personality type.
If he wasn't riding bikes he'd be in banking or politics.

Love a good Lance thread.

its a great place to observe the self-righteous personality types.

I don't care about his cheating.
What gets me is the way he ruined other peoples lives to fill his own pockets.
Ask yourself, how would you feel if someone bullied one of your children into taking drugs?

Hopkins don't troll.

I don't think the ruling against him goes far enough.
1. it doesn't cover the real cost of what SCA paid out, $9m + $2.5m in costs and that's before anybody mentions interest.
2. LA was under oath when he gave evidence to the court, sorry I mean when he lied. In the UK you can get jail time for lying to the court over a few speeding points.
Fail, not good enough.

If he wasn't riding bikes he'd be in banking or politics.

love how the typical STW banker bashing manages to squeeze itself into a thread about lance....

FYI...i work in banking. I've never met anyone even vaguely psychopathic...

 

But this is money he committed fraud to get. Why should he not pay it back?

Lance is most definitely a sociopath. Also, I used to work in Asset management/private banking and it is a profession which undoubtably draws them in - however these days they tend to get found out and removed.

FYI...i work in banking. I've never met anyone even vaguely psychopathic...

i've met 1 ceo. The one that ran my very big bank.

He wasnt remotely psychcopathic. Likewise i've met and worked for many of our directors, all actually quite decent folks

Don't believe everything you read...

What about taking all the profits that trek made on the back of armstrongs success, let's take all that back, and all the charity money he raised, let's take all that back.
He is ruthless, driven, but then again so we most top athletes, that's why they are at the top, he only done what countless other pro cyclists did, and he's paid for it, but let the guy have a little hope in his life

he's paid for it

Has he? when was that, again do tell.

What about taking all the profits that trek made on the back of armstrongs success, let's take all that back

Well if there is any evidence that they were part of his cheating in order to profit from it, they maybe they have a case to answer. Is there such evidence?

As for his charity, that's hardly a charity at all, just another part of his lie for money portfolio.

He can't race any more, anywhere......is that not punishment enough for a man like Armstrong
He's been stripped of his tdf wins

So his charity has not helped anyone, is that what you are saying

Say for instance you went out partying with guys from work, they all get coked up including you. A year later one of the guys get caught doing drugs and tells your bosses you do them too, effectively bringing you down with him. Are you gonna deny it or say he's a loser drug addict talking crap...... Now let's say your job you now could loose paid MILLIONS of pounds a year and if sacked you would be on the front page of every newspaper.

I'd have done exactly the same, doesn't make it right at all but don't pretend that most of use wouldn't have done the same.

I am saying his charity has helped Armstrong a lot lot more than it helped anyone else.

Easygirl if gave back all the money he wrongly earnt, completely gave the authorities everything he knew, who else was in collusion within management then disappeared to a ranch in Texas and shut up then he'd be on the road to redemption of sorts.

As it is he lied, threatened, bullied and defrauded.

Oh and NO most top athletes aren't like him. Ruthless & driven can mean focused on winning it doesn't mean 'at everyone else's costs'

Is that the charity that 'raises awareness' or 'ploughs money into R&D'?

Genuine question...

What about taking all the profits that trek made on the back of armstrongs success, let's take all that back, and all the charity money he raised, let's take all that back.

Careful with the chat about his 'charity money'. A careful look at what actually went on might not support your case as much as you think!

hora - Member

If he 'killed himself'. Whose fault is that?

Given recent threads on this very forum related to the nature of depression, one would think you'd be a little more sensitive.

Was Lance really all that bad?

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so easygirl because he was competitive he should be allowed to keep his ill gotten gains and continue to profit from them?

Perhaps he should be let off drinking driving too because hasn't he been punished enough?

what a load of shit. he deserves everything the lying scumbag gets.

Daffy your taking that out of context. It was in reply to a poster who said that implying that he's almost being victimised /leave him alone . He's the author and architect of what he did systematically. He's not a victim. He's also said post-outed that 'everyone else did it'. Two greats left the sport when they saw the EPO crowd powering away. Boardman quit clean etc. Would Lemond have had another title if he had cheated but no he stayedclean.

He would have gotten away with it but did decided on a return.

When is he marketing the photos?

joshvegas - Member

so easygirl because he was competitive he should be allowed to keep his ill gotten gains and continue to profit from them?

TBH I'd be more up for taking away his cheating winnings if they also took away the winnings from all the other cheats, and more importantly imo the profits from the race organisers and teams who allowed and facilitated the cheating. As it is, it tickles my sense of unfairness to go after one guy as if he's all that counts when you've got an entire guilty industry which created him.

That's lessened a bit by the fact that the man's a shitehawk but it seems to me, that going after him harder for the cheating on the justification that he's a shitehawk is a bit weak. The offence wasn't shitehawkery after all.

There's an awful lot of guilty people in cycling that are delighted every time Armstrong gets villified, and that's basically shit imo. And I think a lot of road cycling fans who're happy to have a whipping boy too rather than admit their sport was a joke. And there's no fanatic like a recent convert eh.

Oh and NO most top athletes aren't like him. Ruthless & driven can mean focused on winning it doesn't mean 'at everyone else's costs'

Yes, yes it does.

For example, Ayrton Senna was almost as big a dick as Armstrong. The only thing that counts is winning and you do that by doing everything that you think you can get away with.

Lance shows all the classic signs of a psychopathic personality type.
If he wasn't riding bikes he'd be in banking or politics.

Or he'd be a surgeon, special forces, a Michelin starred head chef or any other number of professions that need high functioning coldly calculating types. Psychopaths have their place in society.