[i]OK, fairy nuff[/i]
Urgh, its actually 'furry muff' 🙄
The rear mech cable looks like it will be a bit flappy, maybe another guide hole needed by the seat tube?
One on the side of the top tube, near the head tube, then two more under the top tube.
Lynskey must be confident in their construction methods as the way that seat stays join the drop-outs looks like one hell of a stress raiser.
1/4in thick Ti sheet. It's fine.
Have you ever seen a crud catcher boss fail, then?
I've seen frames fail from stress propagated from crud catcher bosses, yes.
No, it's Fairy Nuff. She has a wand and little wings and everything.
Keep your furry muffs out of this please.
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I've seen frames fail from stress propagated from crud catcher bosses, yes.
Glad I didn't get them put on my 853 Inbred when it was at t'menders then!
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Hmmm, those cable guides should look quite neat and with the first guide being on the side of the top-tube should stop any excessive cable rub.
It reminds me of one of your earlier creations, I think it was called Compo.
is the HT noticeably short on this new design ?
is the HT noticeably short on this new design ?
115mm on 16 and 18in
what clips are you using for the cables? with the position of the hole on the chainstay wont p-style clips hold the cable either into the tyre or into the crank?
Looks nice tho, apart from the chainstay bridge = cheapsville!
How about sending one to me in Tassie for testing. I'm sure it'll handle differently down here 😉
Honestly, I will buy one since it's designed for a proper fork with no slidey drop out nonsense.
what clips are you using for the cables? with the position of the hole on the chainstay wont p-style clips hold the cable either into the tyre or into the crank?
That exact thing occurred to me last night Stato.
But hey - that's what pre-production samples are for 🙂
What are the hats you planning Brant? Its about time someone came up with a decent crash helmet without it being a fortune. (one of my pet rants)
what about modding one of these?
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(that site also sells seatstay bridges if your intereseted ;0)
OOps might have taken the hats comment a little too literally, hadnt noticed the tongue in cheek about the dried meat products!!! 😳
what clips are you using for the cables? with the position of the hole on the chainstay wont p-style clips hold the cable either into the tyre or into the crank?That exact thing occurred to me last night Stato.
But hey - that's what pre-production samples are for
Fancy drop outs at the expense of proper cable routing? Sounds about right....
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It's nt entirely my cup of tea but it does look subtley different...no doubt given that, Brant's reputation and some keen pricing it will sell.
The principle of non-fixed cable/house guides doesn't bother me, but P clips do sound like a particularly abominable execution of the idea...
Fancy drop outs at the expense of proper cable routing? Sounds about right....
Its a shame he didn't prototype it first eh 😉
will the steel version come in white?
100 - what's the top tube length then ?
23, 23.5, 24in on the 16, 18, 20in model.
Seat angle is 73, 73.5 or 74deg on 16, 18, 20. Which is backwards to how it's normally done on road bikes (ie: getting steeper as you get larger), but it keeps the rider centred better and the weight off the rear wheel, meaning it'll climb better. Also makes the difference in tt length more than just the top tube length (as the seat angle "pushes" the front end forwards on the larger frame.
I like the overall idea and neither the BB plate or the seatstay brace bother me. Quite like 'em in fact. Nice clean lines, and could be a lot of fun to ride.
Cable routing via P-clips and rivnuts on a ti frame that isn't going to be cheap by any sense of the word? Just. No. That would be an absolute deal breaker. It'd be OK on a £200 gas pipe steel frame, but not on an expensive one. Not a fan of rivnuts anyway - they always seem to work loose and rattle. I'd rather have welded in bosses. I'd also slightly prefer the brake hose to route under the seatstay rather than sit on the chainstay. Most (all?) brake calipers would allow the banjo to point in the right direction to allow the hose to take a neat, tightish curve up to the s/stay.
The dropout design is nice, but a) no replaceable hanger????? and b) not a fan of the method of joining them onto the stays - would rather they were notched in. The bent end looks a bit agricultural. Caliper inside the stays is nice though.
Geometry is obviously the important thing. 67° ha, what about s/a, TT length and chainstay length?
I guess most of my -ve comments are cost derived, but if I'm going to drop a large wedge on a frame, I'd rather spend a bit more and have it *right*, than a bit less and have it compromised.
Brant, any future plans for 14" for the little people?
[i]no replaceable hanger????? [/i]
what, exactly, are you planning to do to break plate titanium? I'm sure your rear mech would catastrophically fail first.
Yep, steel to Ti don't need replaceable hangers, do they? Couple of adjustable spanners and job done.
Couple of adjustable spanners and job done
I suspect it would need to be a bloody big set of adjustables to bend that Ti plate back into shape.
what, exactly, are you planning to do to break plate titanium? I'm sure your rear mech would catastrophically fail first.
No idea, but I'm sure it's possible, (I've put 45° bends into 1/4" steel plate ones before, totalled the rear mech, wheel and chain at the same time), but I *know* I'd be p!ssed if I did it, and the frame was then a right off as a result.
I've bent steel hangars loads. Just bend em back.
Since my Pace 130mms are as long as Fox 140s, they'll work. I'll take one. Steel or Alu.. hmm.
Numpty mechanic cross-threading the hanger when fitting the mech? Not something that should happen, or that I'd worry about on the kind of frame I can afford, but I suppose it could be a stress on a super expensive frame.
So, a bunch of features which seem to be different, just for the sake of being different, to the detriment of the aesthetic appeal and possibly weight of the frame...
And Brant's added things like the chain stay bit, which although very nice, won't even be very visible on a built up bike, and mean that things like proper cable guides have to be sacrificed. And that seat stay bit is proper ugly, and looks like a bodge. I'm with JonEdwards on the rivnut thing. Cable guides are traditionally welded on, because that's the best way to do it. If it ain't broke...
I'm all for innovation, but when it offers an advantage. None of these new features seem to.
Why din't you just go for a more 'conventional' design, with your own tweaked angles? You'd still sell 'em, and they'd look loads better.
The geometry is a no-no for me personally. Head angle's too slack for my liking, and a 23' top tube on the smallest size? Christ, who's riding these things, gibbons?? No wonder you see 6 footers riding 16" frames! And as you're using a more conventional seat tube angle, won't the slack ht angle and long t t make for a 'long' bike? And a larger turning circle radius?
Not a bike for smaller people, then. 🙁
I guess most of my -ve comments are cost derived, but if I'm going to drop a large wedge on a frame, I'd rather spend a bit more and have it *right*, than a bit less and have it compromised.
I'd second that.
What about that gearbox?! Keep your hardtail (though it looks nice) I'm interested in gearboxes? Are you building a frame for the Suntour box Brant?
TT length sounds about right. My med Soda is 23.25 vs the 23.5 on this and mine is *just* a fraction short with a 70mm stem. Another 12.5mm would be perfect and/or allow a shorter stem to speed the handling back up.
The funky chainstay plate probably allows for really short stays too, so you can pull some of the wheelbase back in there. That said, I would think it's a bike designed for a very specific type of riding (steep up, steep down, not much flat), so the longer wheelbase probably adds some stability, and you'll be mostly going through/over stuff rather than round it.
The Ti456 continues, as far as I know, but as I didn't even design (or redesign) that, and with it being such a part of the on-one character, I left it there. It's also really expensive to make.
If you Brant did not design/redesign the Ti456, so that must mean that Lynski's built and designed the frame and was re-branded for On-One?
If you Brant did not design/redesign the Ti456,
As previously corrected - I was rather tired/emotional and referring to the wishbone, not the frame.
No, because someone else designed it long before Brant got involved.
DeKerf made it a signature frame feature, though.
I guess most of my -ve comments are cost derived, but if I'm going to drop a large wedge on a frame, I'd rather spend a bit more and have it *right*, than a bit less and have it compromised.
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I'd second that.
Well I reckon I'm spot on then. Can't be doing with prissy f*ckers who want dolled up bollocks for the sake of it.
If Lynskey would sell me them raw off the welding bench, I'd do that, as for me this is about function, not form.
LOL!
Very apt description 😉
ho ho
Brant - Final(ish) important dimension for me : BB height ?
Rudeboy in "armchair expert" shocker!!!
Nice, Brant. People try to offer helpful advice/constructive criticism, and you call them 'prissy f*ckers'.
That's showing respect. 🙁
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Hmm, aesthetics obviously ain't your strong point, are they, love?
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Rudeboy in "armchair expert" shocker!!!
Hardly. Been mtbing for over 20 years. Owned a fair few bikes, worked in 'the trade'.
Just tried to offer some honest and hopefully helpful input, that's all.
Brant - Final(ish) important dimension for me : BB height ?
20mm drop from wheel centres at ride height with 140's.
Clears the top step on mmmbop all being well.
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Seems to be a design trend going with the "plate" drive chainstay....
Heh!
Can I have the pink fluffy one, please?!
People try to offer helpful advice/constructive criticism, and you call them 'prissy f*ckers'.
I think he was talking about customers in general. If you're a prissy ****er, don't buy the frame. If you want something functional, get one.
Easy, no?
Just tried to offer some honest and hopefully helpful input, that's all.
Well, thanks for your input, but I don't do design by committee. I can only offer what I consider to be right and true, or I don't believe in it.
Happily, as you want a contemporary (rest of the world) angled bike, with conventional cable routing and conventional seatstay bridges, there are many many manufacturers out there doing that. And may you be happy with them.
Well I reckon I'm spot on then. Can't be doing with prissy f*ckers who want dolled up bollocks for the sake of it.If Lynskey would sell me them raw off the welding bench, I'd do that, as for me this is about function, not form.
I'm with you there. But only up to a point. That point being the price. How cheap are you going to do them then? "Raw" finish (whatever that means in Ti terms) could look quite cool... I'd also argue the point that welded in bosses function far better in the long term than rivnuts, and if you ain't making a Ti frame to last a long time, then why are you bothering in the first place?
Seems to be a design trend going with the "plate" drive chainstay....
That photos does a good job of showing the chainring clearance. The shedfire* version does away with a couple of fiddly welds, as well as simplifying the plate design, reducing wastage and increasing tyre clearance.
* Shed Fire? Shedfire?
I'd also argue the point that welded in bosses function far better in the long term than rivnuts
Unless you strip them/get the thread galling/get a bolt stuck.
That photos does a good job of showing the chainring clearance. The shedfire* version does away with a couple of fiddly welds, as well as simplifying the plate design, reducing wastage and increasing tyre clearance.
Ta dah!!!
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Maybe you could buy a bog-standard Taiwanese Al frame and sell it as the Shedfire Prissy****er?
Rudeboy's post is the definition of a prissy ****er IMO.
If the cap fits ......
If you're a prissy ****, don't buy the frame. If you want something functional, get one.
It woon't be 'functional' for me. I've ridden On-Ones; too long for me, wrong angles. Ok, fair enough; that's a character of their design, the same way that other makes differ slightly. But I'm sure many others will love them. I'd hardly say that suggesting tried and tested ways of doing stuff is being 'prissy'. And I am aware that Brant is trying to bring a really nice, well made frame with a good pedigree, down to a more affordable price point. And well done to him, for trying. I just thought I'd voice my opinions, like everyone else is doing.
(Makes note to never, ever question the Mighty Zak Tempest, ever again...)
So, do we know the prices yet or not? I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife 😉
I need to know whether or not I will need to eBay my wife
Post some pics and I'll give you a quote 😉
I think he's well within his rights to call Rudeboy a prissy f*cker. Sees a picture of a frame and proceeds to slag it off at length to the designer without ever having ridden or even seen it. Clearly Brant has way more experience of designing frames than Rudey does. I'm an argumentative b*stard and I'd never ever consider slagging something off THAT much on the basis of a photo and a load of half-baked theories about aesthetics. Did you really think that wasn't going to cause offence? Or do you think that the personal matters nothing?
I'd hardly say that suggesting tried and tested ways of doing stuff is being 'prissy'.
Telling anyone how to do their job is frigging annoying at the best of times - even more so when they've a lot of experience and industry success, and you're just a big gob who rides.
What's she like? Any good? Good cook? Fit? Healthy? All own teeth?
What sort of warranty does she come with?
Any free gifts included?
A royal pain in the kiester, bitching and ranting a lot. Lets me buy bikes if Sean Bean is on telly and her coffee is sweet.
Loads of body fat and few grey cells.
Oh, and looks like:
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RB, any good?
Could rudeboy be the new Hora?
[i]and you're just a big gob who rides. [/i]
LOL
But you're assuming he rides 😉
molgrips - 9/10
[i]'A dead man walkin', here's a dead man walkin'.[/i]
Time to cook lunch and hoover the carpet, may the redheaded Goddess be merciful.
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Molgrips; chill out.
I was assuming this was a prototype. and therefore possibly changes might be made. I thought that was the point of Brant bunging the pic up on his website, to get some feedback.
I'm not slagging him or his designs off, just offering my opinion. Asked questions as to certain aspects of the frame.
WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don't agree with every decision someone else makes, I'm a 'prissy f*cker'?
Woe betide anyone who does not in any way jump on the 'Brant is God' bandwagon, eh? Sorry, I din't see the 'Never slag off Brant's products' clause in the forum rules...
I apologise if any of my comments caused offence. That was not my intention.
S'fair enough; I've questioned Brant, he's answered my questions.
If he really does not in any way want his products to be questioned, why come on an internet forum to discuss them? Seeing as how Brant uses STW to gain feedback, I can't see as how he can complain, if someone criticises his stuff. He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for 'free'...
As a potential customer, I think I have every right to speak up and voice my opinions. If the person/company supplying the products does not in any way consider my opinions valid or worthy of consideration- fine. I'll take my custom elsewhere. That's how the market works. I'm pretty sure Brant won't lose a lot of sleep over this!
Having worked in bike shops, you'd be surprised just how much aesthetics does actually influence people's purchasing decisions. A bike is not ust a tool, it's a thing to cherish and appreciate, for many people.
If that were not true, all bikes would be simply functional, and just come in black.
Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick's lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren't important...
I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw. But if people want to just have a pop at me, then I can't help that.
Typical response from a PF
...He is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for 'free'....
I think you've got your quotes in the wrong place there.
WTF is wrong with that? Just because I don't agree with every decision someone else makes, I'm a 'prissy f*cker'?
You were pretty damn negative, that annoyed me and I'm not even anything to do with the bikes - don't own one, never ridden one.
I was actually trying to be helpful here, btw.
Fair play - apologies for offence cause in that case. But still, you came over as just slagging the thing off. You have to be sensitive to the position you're in - ie a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he's wrong. At least, that's how it came over. Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order? 🙂
'He' is, after all, getting this bit of R+D for free...
like this?
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Very nice looking frame, IMO. I like the seat-stay plate very much.
Wouldn't presume to pass judgement on it otherwise, at least until the price is revealed.
Brant - Do you have a sideline as a cheesy TV illusionist? You certainly look the part on your new website...
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Keep telling Brant he's wrong. He's far too happy with his lot these days and needs people moaning and picking at his pre-production things to even him out a bit.
Perhaps some work on your tact and interpersonal skills would be in order?
LOL!
Well, I really din't think my comments would cause that much of a fuss (I'm thinking of getting a second login, so's I can make comments without people thinking 'oh look, it's that RudeBoy, let's all have a pop at him..).
The work I do involves aesthetics. That's the main part of it! Ok so, maybe aesthetics is not high on the agenda of Shedfire or it's customers. But it is a consideration of many people. That's all I was saying.
a punter trying to tell the experienced designer that he's wrong
I have people disagree with me, quite often. I try to listen to them, because we want to have the best possible end result. They may well have something valid to say. Or, I might dismiss their opinions, If I am confident enough about what I'm doing. But there's ways and means of going about that. I don't call people 'prissy f*ckers', as I don't think that would endear me to people who might want to give me money...
All's well. I'm sure Brant understands the point I was trying to make, even if some others don't...
Oh come on, you've had multiple logins and are capable of lasting about three posts before writing "wazzent innit vahn babylonian geezer" and getting into a fight. No-one gets in your face because you're you, they get in your face because of what you post. 😉
I think that the weird hand signal reflects the chain stay detail.
BD; it's 'vayn'. 🙄
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There is a hell of a lot of criticism of all manner of people/products/companies on this forum - much of it very amusing - but whenever anyone seems to direct that criticism towards anything that Brant is involved with - be that On One, or now Shed Fire - it often seems to generate a disproportional backlash that you don't find with other people/products/companies.
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Frame looks quite nice, BTW.
Funny how people were oohing and aahing over Foxychick's lovely new Indy Fab, recently, and now suddenly, aesthetics aren't important.
I think it's a very pretty frame. Aesthetics [i]are[/i] important, we just disagree on what is pretty.
Chainstay bridge reminds me of the baby lock things I put on the cupboard doors.
Its serpantly different, I like.
I like Arcade Fire- shed fire is a crap name for a band... Shed Explosion now your talking!
How much are these frames gonna cost?