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[Closed] Struggling with value- ti456

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Ok, posted the frame up for sale at £600 (paid fullish price for it new 2 years back, whatever that was) but no nibbles- is this too high? I'm not somebody who tries to extract the last penny of value out of things (see some of my previous form!) but I don't want to give it away to somebody who's going to flog it on ebay or similar 10 minutes later. So, what's it worth? Can't find anything or don't know what, to benchmark it against.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 9:08 am
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If it was a 16" and around £500, I'd have probably gone for it.

In my mind, these are £1,000 frames and looking for anything above half cost is being a little optimistic.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 9:11 am
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They're now only £800 new, and while I know that your frame is a Lynskey manufactured model rather than Taiwanese, most of Joe Public won't be concerned with that, just with the bottom line price.

I'd suggest trying for £500 on here or £525 on eBay on a 30day listing. that way it'll appear in Google shopping search.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 9:12 am
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Thanks. I thought I'd have had some folk offering £5-550 for it if I'd advertised at the £600, but nothing.

If it was a 16" and around £500, I'd have probably gone for it.

I thought you had a bit of a thing about them, going by previous comments, wouldn't have thought you'd have been interested?


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 9:18 am
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I think 550 is realistic, if it's mint and comes with a few add-ons.

A few weeks ago I'd have been interested at that, but I've just bought a new ti frame 8)

Sales are subject to randomness though. Sometimes stuff goes straight away, sometimes it takes a while.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 10:38 am
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About half what it would cost to buy now, so £400 would be about as much as I'd be prepared to pay. Second hand is a risk IMO so I factor this in to the cost of things I buy.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 11:38 am
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I would always reckon on frames losing half their value in the first year then another 10 - 20 percent of the new value for each further year, unless they are especially sought after.

so a 2 year old 1000 quid frame would be 400-450 quid after 2 years


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 11:43 am
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I think the "half value" thing is only really valid for FS frames,

Chameleons regularly sell for £350-£400 and Souls for £300+ the same as P7s.

Hardtails hold their value better, so I'd think £500+ (considering it will have cost upwards of £1000) is about on the money if it's in good condition.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 11:48 am
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Chameleons and souls come into the "sought after" bracket that bucks the trend. The hype around on one has been dying out, and they are no longer so sought after.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 12:23 pm
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The hype around on one has been dying out, and they are no longer so sought after.

I know the mesigha has left, but I'd still they they were as big if not a biger brand than ever! The only reason not to have one for most people is that someone else in their group already has one!

On a budget : inbred/456
Feeling flush: carbon of the above
Feeling racey: scandal
Feeling like rubbing everyones nose in it that you have more disposable income: Ti

If the entire hardtail industry collapsed leaving just On-one, I dont think many people would feel hard done by when buying frames, maybe not the best, they never where, but they do their job very well and cost peanuts.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 12:34 pm
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On One also sold the Lynskey ones at £800 in their pre-Xmas sale - so yes £600 is probably too much, although it bid upto there.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 12:37 pm
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eh? on-one do do nice bikes, but they miss out the vast jumpier side of the market, they don't have anything more beefy then the 456 (which isn't a problem in itself, but is for those of us who throw themselves down things).

if you take ns for example, they only have one bike in their range which overlaps the on-one range.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 12:43 pm
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two 16" ti456s have gone on here in the last couple of weeks after being put up for £500, pretty sure they went for the asking price as they didnt stay around long (my finger hovered a bit too long both times 🙄

Given the price of the new ones I reckon thats a fair balance of bargain for new buyer and cutting losses for the vendor, 600 is getting too near the new-with-lifetime-warranty price.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 3:55 pm
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Yeah, fair enough. Buying full suspension frames secondhand can be a bit trying- there's bushes, and wear to moving parts, and you need to budget for shock servicing unless there's a recent receipt.
On the same note, I'm not sure that just because something was reduced in the end of line sale is quite enough to use that as the benchmark for secondhand prices.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 4:10 pm
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It'll be worth the best part of £600 to someone if you're prepared to wait. Depends how much of a hurry you're in.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 4:19 pm
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>vinnieh said

>On the same note, I'm not sure that just because something was reduced in the end of line sale is quite enough to use that as the benchmark for secondhand prices.

I disagree, and youve obviously never had the pleasure of owning a Kawasaki then. 🙄 (pricing strategy seems to be to knock £2K off a bike 18 months into its 2 year model life cycle, with a commensurate effect on second hand values).


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 6:08 pm
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What m-c says. That's why we at tbc offered a partial refund on the Ragley frames when the prices plummeted a couple of weeks back.


 
Posted : 16/08/2010 6:11 pm
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but they miss out the vast jumpier side of the market, they don't have anything more beefy then the 456

Seen the latest on-one sponsored rider? 9 meter doubles on a carbon 456, very much doubt it needs beeting up much, especily when there are lighter dirt jump bikes out there!


 
Posted : 18/08/2010 10:23 am