[Closed] Specialized threaten to sue over Roubaix name!

good synopsis of the current state of play with Specialized here;

[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/specialized-roubaix-trademark-legal-threat-may-backfire-as-fuji-weighs-in-39260/ ]http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/specialized-roubaix-trademark-legal-threat-may-backfire-as-fuji-weighs-in-39260/[/url]

[quote=cynic-al said]Christ, like neither of you have missed updates on a thread in the preceding hours before you posted?

Not 23 hours, no - which is how long ago I posted this (I'm fairly sure some of the other responses were posted even earlier):
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/specialized-threaten-to-sue-over-roubaix-name/page/4#post-5583188

Really not trying to have a go, but the responses you claimed nobody had given had all been done yesterday.

[i]they gain from a bit of publicity (their facebook likes have gone up since this started) and it's business as usual [/i]

Have you seen their FB page lately?

Have you seen their FB page lately?

Ouch, that doesn't look good for them does it

[quote=slowoldgit ]
Have you seen their FB page lately?
There really are a lot of sad pricks on the internet.

"We win by working in a highly collaborative and transparent, [b]non-corporate[/b] and non-political environment with a mission to:

• Create a culture that attracts, develops and retains the best people on the planet
• Design and build the best bikes and equipment in the world
• [b]Foster social and environmental responsibility in the world in which we live[/b]"

Here's a hint Specialized: don't just [u]have[/u] a mission statement, try [u]being[/u] your mission statement.

Cha****ng, I don't know about any verdicts or ongoing stuff there as I've not followed it for a few years. Safe to say there's prior use of axle pivots before either Trek or DW used it though.
But that's off topic, just why I have a passing interest in the Spesh news, mainly the way the US and European Patent criteria seem to be different.

[quote=scotroutes said]
There really are a lot of sad pricks on the internet.

The ones posting on internet forums, or are you just including FB? 😉

[quote=jameso said]Safe to say there's prior use of axle pivots before either Trek or DW used it though.
But that's off topic, just why I have a passing interest in the Spesh news, mainly the way the US and European Patent criteria seem to be so different.

There's prior use of most patented bike suspension stuff - hence why most of it is only patented in the US. Of course Specialized also have history in this area with their Horst Link patent, which would likely fail if anybody ever decided to spend enough money to contest it (I understand either Scott or Giant considered it, but decided it wasn't worth spending all the money even though they were confident of winning).

There's prior use of most patented bike suspension stuff - hence why most of it is only patented in the US.

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[i]There really are a lot of sad pricks on the internet. [/i]

Californian Big Bike Co legals hit on Canadian LBS over alleged TM abuse.
LBS can't afford to fight, as BBC has lots of lawyers.
But BBC's TM Cert shows it doesn't cover wheels and cafe, the heart of the problem.
Original TM owners turn up, they say BBC only rented TM, and not in Canada.
BBC are saying nowt. Lots of ordinary bike riders turn up to put pressure on BBC's FB page because they don't approve.

Just who are the sad pricks here? Apart from the lawyers, of course.

It doesn't help that they chose to TM Roubaix, which is deeply embedded in cycling culture. I read about it when I was a teenager, yes that long ago.

Shame no one can put up a web site up to donate a small sum, to take it to court
has this is typical corporate bullying

It looks like we won
http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2013/12/09/cochrane-bike-shop-owner-may-have-won-his-case-against-specialized-over-use-of-word-roubaix/

...don't tell me that Mike was going to call and sort out the mess without the help of a social media campaign. Unlike some more generous souls posting on their FB page I reckon past history shows what would have happened had the shitstorm not hit.

War vet war vet war vet war vet war vet war vet war vet war vet. It's important to mention this part of the narrative as much as possible.

I'd have loved to be a fly in the wall at Spesh HQ over the last couple of days. Hopefully the outcome will be that they avoid behaving like bullying corporate bellends in the future. I'm rather partial to their stuff and it would be a pity if it became as socially unacceptable as a Livestrong jersey.

On the plus side, at least they'll be immortalised as a case study in dozens marketing and PR textbooks.

Apart from a few nerdy self appointed 'guardians of the spirit of cycling' nobody actually gives a shit about this though.

[quote=grum ]Apart from a few nerdy self appointed 'guardians of the spirit of cycling' nobody actually gives a shit about this though.
It has given a few Specialized-haterz a new stick to beat them with, which is why I have to laugh at most of these folk saying they'll never buy anything from Specialized again. It was the same when Specialized launched their fatbike a few months back - MTBR Fatbike forum was full of comments about how that was "ruining" the spirit of fatbiking 🙄 Meanwhile, all the haterz will be searching around for CRC/Wiggle/Merlin discount codes, increasing the profits of big companies and putting the wee guy on the corner (maybe with a nice cafe in his bike shop) out of business.

It has given a few Specialized-haterz a new stick blah blah blah blah

😆 Excellent blowharding!! Chapeau.

[quote=grum said]Apart from a few nerdy self appointed 'guardians of the spirit of cycling' nobody actually gives a shit about this though.

Yeah - you keep coming on this thread to tell us just how much you don't give a shit.

That not what I said - I said people in general don't give a shit about this. Someone suggested that this might really hurt Specialized - I think that's massively overestimating the importance of opinions on twitter and internet bike forums.

There's a whole world of people who buy bikes who don't have the slightest interest in stuff like this.

The funny thing is I'm not even really defending Specialized - I don't really agree with their stance. I just think this is a massive bandwagon and people are buying into the narrative of the brave war veteran cafe owner war veteran war veteran war veteran fighting courageously against the evil corporate giant, maaaaaan. I suspect lots of the outraged people will end up buying Specialized gear at some point too.

Apart from a few nerdy self appointed 'guardians of the spirit of cycling' nobody actually gives a shit about this though.

I thought it was pretty shitty behaviour and like a sad nerdy git I posted on specialised Facebook page to let them know. I'm not a guardian of the spirit of cycling, I've had a specialised Roubaix for about 6 years which I like a lot so hardly a specialised hater either. Just thought it was poor form to be going after this guy and used an avenue open to me where my voice could form part of a larger collective to make it known to them.

I have no interest in seeing specialized damaged in the long term by any of this, they are a global corporation and it's in a lot of peoples interests that they continue to thrive and do well, from the senior management right down to the fellas making a living from flogging their bikes. I think it's important that these companies thrive, but they should do so in a way that is socially acceptable.

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The war veteran status of the bike shop guy doesn't really interest me either. For me it's really less about the little guy and more about asking the big guy to try and go about their business without being such a dick.

if this doesn't matter, why do specialized spend (I assume) a f*ck-ton on marketing/their company image? Why do they release vids like this one:

[url= http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Video-Matt-Hunter-Loose-in-Chile-2013.html ]http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Video-Matt-Hunter-Loose-in-Chile-2013.html[/url]

It's because they believe that brand image matters in the fickle world of biking.

They are either going to find out that it doesn't matter after all - being outed as top-level bellends will have no impact on their bottom line. In which case they have wasted rather a lot of time/money/effort on sponsoring riders, events etc.

Or, they are going to confirm what they suspected: that it does really matter, and they're going to have to invest quite a lot of cash in rebuilding their tarnished image.

I was never really a potential customer of theirs anyway - but that's mostly to do with their pricing vs Canyon and the like. However, it's really interesting to see the potential of a company being held to account by it's customers because of their corporate behavior rather than their products, pricing etc.

You're dreaming barfink.

Two brands that'll never buy again:

Endura- Crap quality
Specialized - souless products

The corporate muscling thing is additional.

Grim has a point there is a whole world of people who buy bikes who have no interest in cycling or it's history they are specializeds target market in many ways. Unfortunately for specialized their is a whole world of cyclists who either by nature or affection do view cycling as a group activity with shared values . They tend to want to defend that culture and appear pretty motivated to get off their bottoms and type stuff on the internet.

The campaign has a wider importance in an age when governments chose not to govern commerce and the law is geared to the advantage of the well resourced corporation the only true holding to account is reputational via social media and the like.

I wonder how different this thread might be if Spesh had a small bike shop in the Peak District in their sights.

cynic-al - Member
You're dreaming barfink.

I didn't get a call from their Chairman when my forks were recalled (although they dealt with it very well). I doubt the guy in Canada would have got the call if Spesh hadn't been very worried indeed by the implications of all this.

For what it's worth, I blame their marketing department. A brand as big as this should have a tight grip on what the legal people and everyone else in their international subsidiaries are up to, and I think it is extremely unlikely that they'd have let the letter go out untamed if they had.

cynic-al - Member

You're dreaming barfink.

'bout what?

Specialized don't spend money on maintaining their brand image? And it will be interesting whether this has an effect on the bottom line or not? Or that I'd rather have a canyon than a Spesh anyway?

Or do you just disagree in a generic....3 word kinda way?

I wonder how different this thread might be if Spesh had a small bike shop in the Peak District in their sights.

Wouldn't and can't happen. US patents don't apply here, outside North America. Which is why all the Euro brands use the Horst Link.... they don't have to pay for it.

It was more of a hypothetical comment PP, ie. if something like this happened closer to home, the tone may be different.

Wouldn't and can't happen

Could and can happen, you may want to check out the trademark registration EU002931533 😉

The funny thing is I'm not even really defending Specialized - I don't really agree with their stance. I just think this is a massive bandwagon and people are buying into the narrative of the brave war veteran cafe owner war veteran war veteran war veteran fighting courageously against the evil corporate giant, maaaaaan.

I think you're over-reacting to a headline.

Most people just know the difference between right and wrong, unless they work for Specialized perhaps (or own their bikes).

The STW account of this (on the front page) is awful. An apologist piece for $pesh which harps on about this chaps wheels. Barely a mention of the fact that it's a cafe nor that they offered to rename the wheels very early on in the proceedings. ASI should make $pesh remove the Roubaix from Canada just for being liberty taking twunts.

wrecker - Member

The STW account of this (on the front page) is awful. An apologist piece for $pesh which harps on about this chaps wheels. Barely a mention of the fact that it's a cafe nor that they offered to rename the wheels very early on in the proceedings. ASI should make $pesh remove the Roubaix from Canada just for being liberty taking twunts.

They are just stating the facts.

Apart from the selective quoting of the trademark text from their own link.

Bicycles, bicycle frames, and bicycle components, namely bicycle handlebars, bicycle front fork, and bicycle tires.

becomes

Bicycles, bicycle frames, and bicycle components

in the article, suggesting that a quick search would have warned him against making wheels with the Roubaix name, which of course it doesn't specifically.

wrecker - Member
The STW account of this (on the front page) is awful. An apologist piece for $pesh which harps on about this chaps wheels. Barely a mention of the fact that it's a cafe nor that they offered to rename the wheels very early on in the proceedings. ASI should make $pesh remove the Roubaix from Canada just for being liberty taking twunts.

Ooooh, the rage! Do you get this angry about every trade mark dispute, or just those that get extensive coverage on your chosen social media outlets?

Seems like probably the most balanced article i've read on the whole thing.

The whole thing would never have happened if the Specialized statement…

"We win by working in a highly collaborative and transparent, non-corporate and non-political environment with a mission to:
Create a culture that attracts, develops and retains the best people on the planet
Design and build the best bikes and equipment in the world
Foster social and environmental responsibility in the world in which we live"

…was written on the wall of their legal department, rather than just a load of puff on their website.

Hilarious. Just hilarious.

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/battle-of-roubaix-treaty-announced/

Is that article for real.
Commenting on places names like Worcestershire sauce and marin bijes is total bikx as specialized are not associated with roubaix in any way other than a name on a frame.
As for the rest of the article err just odd

The whole furore was odd!

Thank god that was over. I was considering looking for a 2nd hand Enduro carbon frame to replace my Tracer but would have felt awful looking like I supported the fascist bully boys.

Phew.

All this was about was the perfect storm combining:

Roubaix's history and mystique in cycling legend.
Large corporation seen as bullying a small shop owner.
War vet
Ability of social media to allow (us) ordinary people to participate in the fun of poking at Specialized as they have history of picking on small businesses (whether right or wrong and just like other large companies).

The public reaction was taken seriously by Specialized and ASI hence the final outcome. However without the social media explosion the outcome would have been different and Specialized would have squished the little guy.

Of course you will now see established web sites begin to write 'balanced articles' scribed in such a way as not to offend the big players who provide the freebies. 🙂

Hey DezB & Kimbers....tell ya what's funnier, the rubber shock absorbers in forks and seat-stays, connected by high modulus carbon links thus directing the majority of the shock force erm, along the tube??

Hence bikes, not aircraft - I've always hated Specialized bikes, can't bring myself to even look at that pig-ugly...what was it called 'intelligent rear shock system', or 'reactive',...I forget, but it placed the rear sus next to the seat stay. Like I said, pig-ugly.

Never even want to hear the name again, let's talk about in-house hand-crafted bikes as opposed to mass-produced 'tat'.

Erm......................my old rocky mountain then 🙄

oh, and this company?

http://www.colnago.com/m10s/ oh god, something has just happened 😯