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Laggan Wolftrax (not fun - too rocky)
Are we talking about the same laggan? The one you took me too for Jo's 30th?
I would say it's rocky but not THAT rocky.
Hmmmm liking that Santa Cruz pic above........ponders if I can get a proper fat wheel/tyre in the ML8 😕
Woody-no, but a bloke on mtbr did a conversion.
You can get a fat front wheel into Maverick forks easy enough...
Just need to space them out to be 29er...
Tim @ Sideways has done this....
cynic-al - MemberI can confirm full suspension fat bikes are where it's at.
And how the **** would you know that.
The one you built exploded within moments of you even siting on it. 😛
Haterz goan hate...
Hatterz goan hat..
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Quiet night, stu?
Just got back from the pub kind of night Al. 😆
Nobody has mentioned the real reason Coastkid has a Pug, cider storage. He gets about six pints in each tyre, hence the reason he had to get the Moonbuggy, to get up to 15 pints total. You have to be pretty skillful to keep it in a straight line after all that as well, that's why he likes the beach so much.
Pissed by 9pm...you some kind of athlete?
Pissed by 9pm...you some kind of athlete?
Yes I'm a full on athlete.
I finished my training session at about oneish then retreated to the boozer to make sure i rehydrated on adult recovery fluid. 😳
Fat tyres are AWSUM for riding back from the pub with.
Red light, no problem just stop pedlin and sit there. No need for any track stand skillz the fatness will allow you to balance even when pished. 🙂
stevenmenmuir - Member
Nobody has mentioned the real reason Coastkid has a Pug, cider storage. He gets about six pints in each tyre, hence the reason he had to get the Moonbuggy, to get up to 15 pints total. You have to be pretty skillful to keep it in a straight line after all that as well, that's why he likes the beach so much.
Damn, been rumbled... 
I'd quite like a go on one, just to see what they are like for myself, but no shops near me (that I know of) have any in to look at, let alone demo! And +1 on the on one looking good!
If anyone has one and is in Harrogate and wants to convert me to fat bikes...
FFF
rumbled...
nah, that's just the sound a Pug makes on dry woodsy singletrack 😀
CharlieTheBikeMonger and/or Ison Distribution should bring their test fleet over to Hebden Bridge for the UK Premiere of "Reveal the Path"......
That should be the best film to go see since Klunkerz 🙂
I'm thinking of going down to Hebden for the premiere. If not, there's a showing in Newcastle the following week. I could take a van-load.....
Roadtrip! 😀
I'll try and pop over then!
If I lived near sand I would love one. Can we have a vid of one clearing something that a semi skimmed bike fails on.
Riding up a bloody big sand dune would do fine.
Heres an SD Tachyon camera film riding along dune tops, a bit long but around 5mins 15 secs riding real soft stuff in places...
And HD film...
Is that the route you were telling me about? ^
2nd film is below the Nature Reserve Loop 🙂
Here is some of your suggested loop 🙂
[/u]Coastkid[u].....where are you riding? Can I see Bass rock in the background?. Looks like a stunning place. What where the concrete pillars for?....left overs from WW2 or costal defences?.
These films are in East Lothain, 30 mins drive east of Edinburgh 🙂
The blocks were indeed part of the "Coastal Crust" Anti Invasion defence network constructed in 1940 when Ze Germans wanted to come here on their summer holiday and stay... for good
Anti tank blocks, minefields, Machine Gun Pill Boxes, and very nasty things called "Flame Fourgase" traps were all along the coastline.
Anti glider poles were across flat sand beaches, constructed in their thousands on the east coast of the UK...
A 2nd strenghening of defences were added in 1942, German POWs were used as well as the REME and Irish navies 🙂
POW under armed gaurd on the Gullane road...
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Aberlady Bay 1940
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Some blocks have dates on them...
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There is loads of WW2 stuff to see around here, inc remains of Airfields and a couple of ROC Cold War Bunkers 😉
Loads of live fire ranges where 20mm spent Hispano shells can be found with the metal detector. luckily all fired
I have this Nazi spoon that my dad found out by those blocks at Aberlady 😯
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How are fat bikes in snow? Would they be a significant advantage on winter walking trails (includind some substantial climbs) with well compacted snow? What about 10 or 15 cm of uncompacted snow? What do I need to look out for in a fat bike to ride these sort of conditions?
Sooo...
Sorry if this has been answered on other fat bike threads. I'm not dissin' dem or anything; I'm unlikely to ever have one and hey, ride WTF you like. Given that we've always been told to save weight on wheels first, because of rolling resistance, I'm thinking those tyres look mighty heavy. Does this not make a difference to the ride?
Given that we've always been told to save weight on wheels first, because of rolling resistance
Wheel weight and rolling resistance are completeley seperate things.
Does this not make a difference to the ride?
Yes it makes a big difference but you're missing the point of what these bikes are about.
It's not a speed thing.
It's a smile thing. 😀
Given that we've always been told to save weight on wheels first, because of rolling resistance
I think you probably mean rotational momentum, its uses more energy to change the speed at which the wheels rotate (accelerate and brake)
Wheel weight and rolling resistance are completeley seperate things.
Ok.
It's not a speed thing.
It's a smile thing.
Ah right, fair enough. Just asking.
DD - as you would expect, the heavy tyre/rim combo does take a bit of man-handling. However, we are already seeing much lighter options in rims (single-walled, driller) and tyres (e.g. Husker Dus) that are making significant inroads into weight. On the up-side, you have a lot of momentum which means that tree-roots, large rocks etc. are rolled over without slowing the whole plot down too much.
Thanks druidh. Clears it up a bit. 🙂
Do you have the option of tube/less as in ornery MTBing? Or is it tubes all the way.
What was the "in" for Fats in the first place? From what perceived need did they come (avoiding the casual insult of "you're all just marketing victims", if you know what I mean)?
So how about riding to + from trails I'm guessing linking sections are a bit of a drag + what about moorland boggyness?
How about average weights (thinking more about lifting over fences/gates e.t.c. )?
Quite a few folk running tubeless now.
For the back-story, you could mibbe try this thread on mtbr..
http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fat-bike-history-498002.html .. but basically, it's come from the snowy wastelands 🙂
[quote=Mal-ec ]So how about riding to + from trails I'm guessing linking sections are a bit of a drag + what about moorland boggyness?
How about average weights (thinking more about lifting over fences/gates e.t.c. )?
To-from trails on hard surfaces (roads) is draggier than your normal MTB knobbly. You just have to take that in your stride. However, there are fat slicks available that run remarkably easy if road-riding is your forté.
On soft stuff it's normally easier. This might sound counter-intuitive, but consider that a large tyre spreads the weight over a larger area and does not cut "into" the surface so much. That means you're not expending energy re-arranging the local topography. As a by-product, it means fat tyres are also less damaging to bogs etc. so they are the low-impact answer.
My 9zero7 is a fairly lightweight build and comes in at a smidge over 30lbs. There are folk running singlespeed etc with bikes in the mid-20s.
Do you have the option of tube/less as in ornery MTBing? Or is it tubes all the way.
There's alway options if you're prepared to try stuff for yourself.
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Picture taken before flapage was trimmed down to size.
flapage
will try and use that word tomorrow.
will try and use that word tomorrow.
The world would be a better place with more use of the word flapage.
Cheers Druidh, thats helpful.
Back to the snow question,
Only if its the right type, lucky enough to have mine during the two coldest winters since Mammoths were wandering about...
I had a great time riding what really should not be possible, dry snow i could ride until the BB grounded as pedals punched through the snow - but it was still hard work and i was roasting even at -18C 😀
Wet snow at milder times it was useless and my regular bikes were better,
Amazing grip on ice for non studded due to the contact area 🙂
On the ungritted snowploughed roads it rolled faster than on tarmac, must have been less friction, i did 50 mile loops from home up into the hills on car free roads and it was amazing...
I am no snow riding expert and you need Shaggy and co who have ridden abroad to comment on what these bikes can do in the countries where they were desgined, i wouldnt hold out for another ice age UK winter to get one, may be a while... 🙂
My bike iced up at -18C while i stopped at a friends house up in local hills for a warming brew, he said i was a nutter for being up there in those conditions...
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Some snow films i did...
Never forget this!, coldest commute ever done, It was -10C when i left home but time i got to work it was baltic and it was -18C at work by 8am 😯
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Snow report going home midday...
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Commuting home on ice
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Eah it wer that cold ah had to put anti freeze in ma cider and carry extra bottles of the stuff.
The Glenmorangie never froze though at -18C, not cheap anti freeze even when on offer at Tesco... 😉
Another point...fat tires have light carcasses so roll pretty well. Not as fast as 2" tires but not as slow as you'd expect.